yes, though to be fair it's pretty much what is being said in actual postings at Freerepublic
Cycloptichorn
wandeljw wrote:timber,
More than one person has pointed out the silliness of your Wikipedia links. Should we go through Wikipedia and compare Republican versus Democrat underage page scandals?
Here is
Another Republican
Straw man and red herring, wande. The wikilink I offered mentions Crane as well as Studds ... and its not a matter of comparative concupiscent culpability.
Sorry if I misunderstood, timber. But what was the point of your Wikipedia links?
The Republicans had a good campaign going for the November elections:
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Democrats cut and run, they are traitors because they are not 100% behind the Iraq mess.
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All that has been overshadowed by the unfortunate Foley. A man who was lured by some teenagers to show his true character.
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The poor man only wanted the best of these youngsters. Who can blame him?
wandeljw wrote:Sorry if I misunderstood, timber. But what was the point of your Wikipedia links?
Just additional background - I s'pose I coulda used
THIS - but Wikipedia is good enough for illustrating silliness.
timberlandko wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote: ... the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy cooked this one up together in a secret meeting in the back on an abortion clinic in Des Moines
That's very good
- is it original?
You shoulda said "abortuary." Language is everything, you know.
okie wrote:You guys tend to forget the rape accusations and sexual predator personality of Clinton, as evidenced by preying on an intern barely past teenage status. True, Clinton was never convicted of rape, but Foley has not been convicted of anything either, although he is acting obviously guilty.
There were never any rape accusations about Clinton that came anywhere close to holding water. Lots of consensual stuff, but every rape allegation was shown to be trumped up. If Foley is having consensual sex with 20 year olds, no business of mine. Messing with children entrusted to his supervision is NOT THE SAME as having consensual sex with an intern. Is hatred for Clinton so overwhelming that this basic distinction is obscured? Didn't JFK's indiscretions in office including traveling with his intern favorite completely overwhelm WJC's? Clinton's been out of office for most of a decade and has joined the parthenon of presidents with all of their faults. Foley is the dog here and comparing him to prior politicians seems like making excuses.
engineer wrote:okie wrote:You guys tend to forget the rape accusations and sexual predator personality of Clinton, as evidenced by preying on an intern barely past teenage status. True, Clinton was never convicted of rape, but Foley has not been convicted of anything either, although he is acting obviously guilty.
There were never any rape accusations about Clinton that came anywhere close to holding water. Lots of consensual stuff, but every rape allegation was shown to be trumped up. If Foley is having consensual sex with 20 year olds, no business of mine. Messing with children entrusted to his supervision is NOT THE SAME as having consensual sex with an intern. Is hatred for Clinton so overwhelming that this basic distinction is obscured? Didn't JFK's indiscretions in office including traveling with his intern favorite completely overwhelm WJC's? Clinton's been out of office for most of a decade and has joined the parthenon of presidents with all of their faults. Foley is the dog here and comparing him to prior politicians seems like making excuses.
To be honest, I haven't brushed up on Kennedy's personal habits, and don't really care at this point. Your recollection of history is a bit different than mine, as I recall some of Clinton's women even receiving bodily threats if they continued their accusations. I remember that being glossed over and not reported by the main media and Democrats did not care, and yet what is worse than that? Yes, hypocrisy still runs rampant, and I simply pointed it out, thats all.
It is well known that Plato, his teacher Socrates, and his student Aristotle, were old pedophiles who lived to have sex with beautiful young boys.
dyslexia wrote:It is well known that Plato, his teacher Socrates, and his student Aristotle, were old pedophiles who lived to have sex with beautiful young boys.
I was thinking along these lines earlier today.
Things haven't changed much, have they?
Fool though Aristotle was, I hardly think I'd want to insult him so far as to link him to a member of the United States Congress in the 21st century.
Why do you say Aristotle was a fool?
Now there's a good riposte!
But I also take Dys' point..
dlowan wrote:Why do you say Aristotle was a fool?
Because he reasoned that men had more teeth than women because their heads were larger. Whatever abstract brilliance he may have come up with, his failure to actually look and count brands him a fool in my book.
Hastert denies knowing about Foley IMs
WASHINGTON, Oct. 2 (UPI) -- U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert, r-Ill., says he only learned of sexually explicit e-mails from former Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., when ABC News reported them.
At a news conference at the Capitol, Hastert read a prepared statement and did not answer questions shouted at him by reporters.
Foley resigned his seat Friday. The first communications made public last week were 2005 e-mails that were inappropriately friendly between an adult and a teenage boy but not specifically sexual, the Washington Post said. But ABC published what Hastert called "vile and repulsive" instant messages sent by Foley in 2003.
Also Monday, several prominent conservatives called for Hastert's resignation, the conservative newsweekly Human Events reported. They included David Bossie, president of Citizens United, and Michael Reagan, a son of former President Ronald Reagan and a conservative columnist.
"Any member of Congress who was aware of the sexual e-mails and protected the congressman should also resign effective immediately," Reagan said. "I was sexually abused by a day camp counselor at age 8 and also made to be part of child pornography."
What is the reason that Michael Reagan announced that he was sexually molested?
Today Rush Limbaugh announced that Republicans should be commended for not trying to stonewall Foleys resignation or anyway impede an investigation. Kinda makes ya proud that not impeding an investigation is an asset to a political party.
Conservatives also seek Hastert's resignation
Brian Beutler
Published: Monday October 2, 2006
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Despite denying today that he had any knowledge of the instant message conversations that resulted in Mark Foley's resignation from Congress, House Speaker Dennis Hastert is being called on to resign by liberals and conservatives alike.
At a press conference today, Hastert read a prepared statement but refused to answer questions from any reporters. In his remarks, he denied having any knowledge about the online conversations from 2003. "No one in the Republican Leadership, nor Congressman Shimkus, saw those messages until last Friday when ABC News released them to the public."
He added that he found the messages "vile and repulsive."
But those statements were not enough to silence an increasingly vocal chorus of critics on all sides of the political spectrum calling for investigations into House Leadership and even for the Speaker's resignation.
Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi harshly criticized Hastert for failing to answer questions, adding, "Republican Leaders admitted to knowing about Mr. Foley's abhorrent behavior for six months to a year and failed to protect the children in their trust. Republican leaders must be investigated by the Ethics Committee and immediately questioned under oath."
Likewise, Rep. Dale Kildee, the Democratic member of the House Page Board, released a strongly worded statement expressing outrage that he had not been informed about the emails at any point after Republicans on the board had been made aware of them: "I was outraged to learn that the House Republican leadership kept to itself the knowledge of Mr. Foley's despicable behavior toward the House pages."
He added that the noticeable Republican tendency of leaving the Democratic member of the board out of any decision-making processes continues even today: "I am now equally outraged to learn that Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert announced today that there will be changes in the policies of the House Page program. Once again, I was not informed of the meeting today, nor was I consulted in any way about any proposed changes."
But liberals aren't the only ones exasperated by the steps Republicans in Congress may have taken to cover up the sex scandal.
Conservative activists have come out strongly as well against those who knew about the emails early on. David Bossie, president of Citizens United, a conservative advocacy group, told the right-wing magazine Human Events, "Speaker Hastert had knowledge of Congressman Foley's inappropriate behavior and chose to protect a potential pedophile and powerful colleague over a congressional page."
He went on: "This inaction demonstrates a lack of leadership on Speaker Hastert's part, and calls into question both his judgment and character. If Speaker Hastert was willing to sacrifice a child to protect Rep. Foley's seat and his own leadership position, then he surely does not share our American and conservative values... Speaker Hastert's calls for an investigation are too late; he has already failed in his duty to investigate and prosecute this matter before it became a public relations problem. This lack of leadership is not only morally repugnant, but it may cost Republicans the House in November. Mr. Hastert should resign immediately."
His thoughts were echoed by colleague Michael Reagan, radio host and adopted son of President Ronald Reagan, who cited his own victimization at the hands of a child predator when calling for Republican resignations: "Any member of Congress who was aware of the sexual emails and protected the congressman should also resign effective immediately. I was sexually abused by a day camp counselor at age eight and also made to be part of child pornography."
The FBI is now conducting an investigation into Foley's actions, though questions about their unwillingness to take steps when they were first alerted to the letters many months ago remain unanswered.
