Foley Quits Amid Allegations of Email Sex Scandal

Sad or hypocritical, hard to tell.

Here is a video of him on America's Most Wanted talking about his proposals. At the end he says "If I were one of these sickos, I'd be nervous with America's Most Wanted on my trail."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6BKR4cTmAg&eurl=

It's a bit inaccurate to single out Republicans this way. What everyone knew about was actually quite different and there really wasn't much to "keep quiet" about until the more explicit stuff broke.

Media (here is a note from an editor of the St. Petersburg Times explaining why they didn't break it) and politicians knew of some "over friendly" emails and performed an intervention of sorts that may have ended Foley's flirtations with minors. I don't know of any evidence to the contrary as everything coming out now actually predated the emails they knew of.

What they knew is that a page complained of his email asking for a "pic", and he explained it away as being concerned with the teen after Katrina. They warned him about inappropriate emails and saw no further of the matter till a blog (http://stopsexpredators.blogspot.com/) came along and in it's 6th post (I mention this because this is part of a collection of evidence that portrays a political assasination) took down a Congressman.

We don't know who was sitting on the explicit stuff because we don't yet know who provided it to the blog or ABC. But the timing of it all really doesn't suggest Republicans here.

Well, well Finn name-dropping Hungarian Marxists in apparent praise - this sure has been an odd thread.

What the hell are you talking about, Craven? His concern for children may have been genuine? This isn't necessarily about Republicans?

He was evil or crazy to head the committee he headed, and be hitting on teenaged boys. His party leadership covered for him as sure as the Catholics covered the dirty priests.

FBI examining Foley's e-mail to teens

Your right, for years now republicans have been getting the "morals" vote and making out like liberal or democrats are heathens into every kind of depravity. Republicans knew about the emails since 2005, now they are trying to compare Foley's hitting on minor males on the internet with Clinton and monica, both consenting adults.

Personally I don't see how there could any doubts about the nature of Foley's email according to this news article.



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House Speaker Dennis Hastert's office thought those emails only to be "over-friendly"; top GOP officials disclosed over the weekend that they knew for months about the original message exchange with a 16-year-old former page ... ... ...

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GOP Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) let Foley spend "a lot of time" with pages, including private dinner with one, after GOP knew Foley was a problem
by John in DC - 10/01/2006 08:41:00 PM


Shimkus is toast. There's even video of Shimkus letting Foley talk to the pages AFTER the GOP knew Foley had page-issues.

You'll recall that he is the Republican member of Congress who runs the Page Board, the group in charge of the pages. You'll also recall that tonight we learned on ABC News that GOP House staff warned the page class of 2001-2002 to stay away from ex-Rep. Mark Foley.

Then why is it that on June 6, 2002, well after the kids were warned to stay away from Foley, Shimkus notes approvingly that Foley has spent a lot of time with the Page Class of 2001-2002? This is Shimkus speaking at the page's goodbye ceremony,

MR. SHIMKUS: I thank my colleague. Now someone who spends a lot of time with you also, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Foley), would like to say a thank you.
(Note: We've confirmed in the Congressional Record that this is the exact transcript of the proceedings that day.)

The GOP staff knew Foley was a problem the year before, they warned the pages in 2001. Yet Shimkus, the next year is acknowledging that Foley was still permitted to spend "a lot of time" with the pages. In the name of God, why?

Oh, but it gets worse.

Foley then gets up in front of Shimkus and tells a special little story of how he took one male page to a private dinner in downtown Washington, DC. Put the page in his BMW and "cruised" - Foley's word - to dinner.

And now for the kicker.

Foley told the kid he had to get permission from his mom and he had to notify the Clerk of the House, Jeff Trandahl, the Republican staffer who works for Republican Speaker of the House Denny Hastert (R-IL). You'll also recall that Trandahl is the Clerk who joined Shimkus in 2005 to talk to Foley about the creepy email exchange with the first child who got this scandal started.

Why did Shimkus let Foley spend so much time with the pages after GOP staff already knew Foley had a "page problem"? Did the Clerk of the House approve of this dinner? Did Shimkus? Clearly Foley had no fear in the kid going to Clerk and asking for permission - so Foley seemed to think the Clerk wouldn't mind. And clearly Foley had no fear in telling the story in front of Shimkus, so he obviously didn't think Shimkus would mind either.

Shimkus then introduces Foley. Read what Foley has to say to the pages of the 2001-2002 class in his speech wishing them goodbye.
FOLEY: John [one of the pages] was the highest bidder on lunch with Mark Foley. Maybe you all do not know this story, but John had paid considerable sums to dine with me. I had offered to take the winning bidder to lunch in the Members' dining room. Then I heard how much John Eunice paid. And I said, ``John, there is no way in the world after you committed so much money to have lunch with me that I would dare take you downstairs to eat in the Members' dining room.'' I said, ``Where do you want to go?'' He says, without reservation, ``Morton's.'' I said, ``Morton's? Like in Morton's Steakhouse?'' He said, ``Oh, would that be too much?'' I said, ``Oh, no, we'll go.'' I said, ``Call your mother, get permission, make sure she notifies the Clerk and we will go to Morton's.'' And so we proceeded to cruise down in my BMW to Morton's.
Putting aside the creepy notion of children bidding on dinner with an already-suspected child sex predator, what in God's name were Shimkus and the Clerk doing approving of Foley taking a kid in his BMW to a private dinner in downtown Washington? The GOP staff already knew that Foley was trouble. They had already warned the kids. Yet Shimkus let Foley spend lots of time with the kids, by Shimkus' own admission. And then they let Foley cruise the kid to dinner in his beamer.

Shimkus is toast.

Oh, and if anyone would like to see video of Shimkus praising a suspected child predator for spending lots of time with underage 16 year old pages, you can order the video from this specific date from C-Span for $270. As C-Span notes, the video includes appearances by Mr. Foley and Mr. Shimkus. http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/10/gop-rep-john-shimkus-r-il-let-foley.html

Finn, as the ever over literal adolescent missing once more the poetic. Had I called you the Sonny Liston of A2K that would have meant you could punch. I picked an opponent of Ali who could not. Just like your prose, although with the regular beat downs you get around here perhaps Tex Cobb would be better.

btw: that pix is the most famous in sports

TV STATION: LETTER FROM FOLEY CLAIMS EX-LAWMAKER HEADED TO REHAB
Mon Oct 2 2006 00:45:11 ET

Letter purpordedly sent to WPBF, the ABC affiliate in West Palm Beach, from former congressman, Mark Foley:


X X X X X

October 1, 2006

Painfully, the events that led to my resignation have crystalized recognition of my longstanding significant alcohol and emotional difficulties.

I strongly believe that I am an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and related behavioral problems.

On Saturday, with the loving support of my family and friends, I made arrangements to enter a renowned in-patient facility to address my disease and related issues.

I deeply regret and accept full responsibility for the harm I have caused.

Over the weekend, I communicated extensively with one of the most respected mental health experts in Palm Beach County, Florida, who has been instrumental in counseling and assisting me.

Attorney David Roth, my good friend of four decades has been requested by me to fully and completely cooperate regarding any inquiries that may arise during my treatment.

Words cannot express my gratitude for the prayers and words of encouragement that have been conveyed to me.

Sincerely,

Mark A. Foley

X X X X X


A spokeswoman for WPBF says that a reporter went to Roth's house where a woman, allegedly Roth's wife, confirmed a fax had been sent.

Developing...

Good luck to him. But his political career should be OVER.
How much do you want to bet that he won't come out of his "rehabilitation" and make a run for office, somewhere, again?

This has been a really nice thread so far.

Oh, so he's a drunk, not a fag. Well, thank fudd for that. Alcoholism can be cured, but once you catch The Ghey, there's no cure -- only relapses.

Maf54 (7:46:33 PM): did any girl give you a haand job this weekend

[redacted screenname] (7:46:38 PM): lol no

[redacted screenname] (7:46:40 PM): im single right now

[redacted screenname] (7:46:57 PM): my last gf and i broke up a few weeks agi

Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): are you

Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): good so your getting horny

[redacted screenname] (7:47:29 PM): lol...a bit

Maf54 (7:48:00 PM): did you spank it this weekend yourself

[redacted screenname] (7:48:04 PM): no

[redacted screenname] (7:48:16 PM): been too tired and too busy

Maf54 (7:48:33 PM): wow...

Maf54 (7:48:34 PM): i am never to busy haha

[redacted screenname] (7:48:51 PM): haha

Maf54 (7:50:02 PM): or tired..helps me sleep

[redacted screenname] (7:50:15 PM): thats true

[redacted screenname] (7:50:36 PM): havent been having a problem with sleep though.. i just walk in the door and collapse well at least this weekend

Maf54 (7:50:56 PM): i am sure

[redacted screenname] (7:50:57 PM): i dont do it very often normally though

Maf54 (7:51:11 PM): why not

Maf54 (7:51:22 PM): at your age seems like it would be daily

[redacted screenname] (7:51:57 PM): not me

[redacted screenname] (7:52:01 PM): im not a horn dog

[redacted screenname] (7:52:07 PM): maybe 2 or 3 times a week

Maf54 (7:52:20 PM): thats a good number

Maf54 (7:52:27 PM): in the shower

[redacted screenname] (7:52:36 PM): actually usually i dont do it in the shower

[redacted screenname] (7:52:42 PM): just cause i shower in the morning

[redacted screenname] (7:52:47 PM): and quickly

Maf54 (7:52:50 PM): in the bed

[redacted screenname] (7:52:59 PM): i get up at 530 and am outta the house by 610

[redacted screenname] (7:53:03 PM): eh ya

Maf54 (7:53:24 PM): on your back

[redacted screenname] (7:53:30 PM): no face down

Maf54 (7:53:32 PM): love details

[redacted screenname] (7:53:34 PM): lol

[redacted screenname] (7:53:36 PM): i see that

[redacted screenname] (7:53:37 PM): lol

Maf54 (7:53:39 PM): really

Maf54 (7:53:54 PM): do you really do it face down

[redacted screenname] (7:54:03 PM): ya

Maf54 (7:54:13 PM): kneeling

[redacted screenname] (7:54:31 PM): well i dont use my hand...i use the bed itself

Maf54 (7:54:31 PM): where do you unload it

[redacted screenname] (7:54:36 PM): towel

Maf54 (7:54:43 PM): really

Maf54 (7:55:02 PM): completely naked?

[redacted screenname] (7:55:12 PM): well ya

Maf54 (7:55:21 PM): very nice

[redacted screenname] (7:55:24 PM): lol

Maf54 (7:55:51 PM): cute butt bouncing in the air

[redacted screenname] (7:56:00 PM): haha

[redacted screenname] (7:56:05 PM): well ive never watched myslef

[redacted screenname] (7:56:08 PM): but ya i guess

Maf54 (7:56:18 PM): i am sure not

Maf54 (7:56:22 PM): hmmm

Maf54 (7:56:30 PM): great visual

Maf54 (7:56:39 PM): i may try that


[redacted screenname] (7:56:43 PM): it works

Maf54 (7:56:51 PM): hmm

Maf54 (7:56:57 PM): sound inetersting

Maf54 (7:57:05 PM): i always use lotion and the hand

Maf54 (7:57:10 PM): but who knows

[redacted screenname] (7:57:24 PM): i dont use lotion...takes too much time to clean up

[redacted screenname] (7:57:37 PM): with a towel you can just wipe off....and go

Maf54 (7:57:38 PM): lol

Maf54 (7:57:45 PM): where do you throw the towel

[redacted screenname] (7:57:48 PM): but you cant work it too hard....or its not good

[redacted screenname] (7:57:51 PM): in the laundry

Maf54 (7:58:16 PM): just kinda slow rubbing

[redacted screenname] (7:58:23 PM): ya....

[redacted screenname] (7:58:32 PM): or youll rub yourslef raw

Maf54 (7:58:37 PM): well I have aa totally stiff wood now

[redacted screenname] (7:58:40 PM): cause the towell isnt very soft

Maf54 (7:58:44 PM): i bet..taht would hurt

[redacted screenname] (7:58:50 PM): but you cn find something softer than a towell i guess

Maf54 (7:58:59 PM): but it must feel great spirting on the towel

[redacted screenname] (7:59:06 PM): ya

Maf54 (7:59:29 PM): wow

Maf54 (7:59:48 PM): is your little guy limp...or growing

[redacted screenname] (7:59:54 PM): eh growing

Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm

Maf54 (8:00:12 PM): so you got a stiff one now

[redacted screenname] (8:00:19 PM): not that fast

[redacted screenname] (8:00:20 PM): hey

[redacted screenname] (8:00:32 PM): so you have a fetich

Maf54 (8:00:32 PM): hey what

[redacted screenname] (8:00:40 PM): fetish**

Maf54 (8:00:43 PM): like

Maf54 (8:00:53 PM): i like steamroom

Maf54 (8:01:04 PM): whats yours

[redacted screenname] (8:01:09 PM): its kinda weird

[redacted screenname] (8:01:14 PM): lol

Maf54 (8:01:21 PM): i am hard as a rock..so tell me when your reaches rock

[redacted screenname] (8:01:23 PM): i have a cast fetish

Maf54 (8:01:27 PM): well tell me

Maf54 (8:01:32 PM): cast

[redacted screenname] (8:01:44 PM): ya like...plaster cast

Maf54 (8:01:49 PM): ok..so what happens

Maf54 (8:01:58 PM): how does that turn you in

[redacted screenname] (8:02:02 PM): i dont know

[redacted screenname] (8:02:04 PM): it just does

[redacted screenname] (8:02:08 PM): ive never had one

[redacted screenname] (8:02:16 PM): but people that have them turn me on

[redacted screenname] (8:02:27 PM): and if i had one it would probably turn me on

[redacted screenname] (8:02:29 PM): beats me

[redacted screenname] (8:02:32 PM): its kinda weird

[redacted screenname] (8:02:50 PM): but along with that i like the whole catholic girl look....thats our schools uniform

Maf54 (8:03:02 PM): ha thats wild

[redacted screenname] (8:03:14 PM): ya but now im hard

Maf54 (8:03:32 PM): me 2

Maf54 (8:03:42 PM): cast got you going

Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing

[redacted screenname] (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes

[redacted screenname] (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts

Maf54 (8:04:17 PM): um so a big buldge

[redacted screenname] (8:04:35 PM): ya

Maf54 (8:04:45 PM): um

Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you

[redacted screenname] (8:05:08 PM): haha

Maf54 (8:05:53 PM): and gram the one eyed snake

Maf54 (8:06:13 PM): grab

[redacted screenname] (8:06:53 PM): not tonight...dont get to excited

Maf54 (8:07:12 PM): well your hard

[redacted screenname] (8:07:45 PM): that is true

Maf54 (8:08:03 PM): and a little horny

[redacted screenname] (8:08:11 PM): and also tru

Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me

[redacted screenname] (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that

Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again

[redacted screenname] (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2

Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful

[redacted screenname] (8:09:38 PM): lol

Maf54 (8:09:44 PM): thats a great size

[redacted screenname] (8:10:00 PM): thank you

Maf54 (8:10:22 PM): still stiff

[redacted screenname] (8:10:28 PM): ya

Maf54 (8:10:40 PM): take it out

[redacted screenname] (8:10:54 PM): brb...my mom is yelling

Maf54 (8:11:06 PM): ok

[redacted screenname] (8:14:02 PM): back

Maf54 (8:14:37 PM): cool hope se didnt see any thing

[redacted screenname] (8:14:54 PM): no no

[redacted screenname] (8:14:59 PM): she is computer dumb though

[redacted screenname] (8:15:01 PM): it makes me so mad

Maf54 (8:15:04 PM): good

Maf54 (8:15:08 PM): haha
http://pageoneq.com/news/2006/foley_093006.html

Once alcoholism is claimed, everything else is supposed to be a result of that and excused. We're supposed to feel sorry for him now, have compassion for his lack of control, a result of his being gripped by the demon alcohol, and pardon his predatory behavior. Poor Mr. Foley. It was just the booze talking.

"On June 29 1989, the Washington Times' Paul M. Rodriguez and George Archibald reported on a Washington D.C. prostitution ring that had intimate connections with the White House all the way up to President George H.W. Bush. Male prostitutes had been given access to the White House and the article also cited evidence of "abduction and use of minors for sexual perversion." http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/021006elitistperversion.htm

Alcohol makes some people really mean.

It makes some people sleepy.

It makes some people become extroverts.

It makes some people dance better. (Or, so they think)

Now, it makes some people gay?

(I'm picturing a cover-up by Coors similar to that of RJ Reynolds, but instead of nicotine, they were boosting hormones or something.)

VIA thinkprogress.org



There is suspicion now that Foley's activities weren't uncovered due to the fact that he was found out at roughly the same time as a Democratic party challenger stepped into the race. Note that the NRCC is involved in this, for no apparent reason....

Cycloptichorn

The weird thing here (well, ok, one of the weird things here) is that if Foley had carried on a sexual relationship with the 16-year-old page, rather than simply exchanging "naughty e-mails" with him, Foley wouldn't be in the legal troubles that he's looking at right now. That's because, while the age of consent in D.C. is 16, under the law Foley drafted protecting our nation's youth from sexual predators who use the internet, the operative age is 18. So, the moral of the story is: sleeping with a 16-year-old is fine, just don't send him an instant message asking whether or not you make him horny.

Joe, I'm glad you brought up the age of consent for clarification purposes. I don't believe an adult sleeping with a 16-year old of the same sex is "fine," but I do believe D.C. has repealed its sodomy laws.