nimh wrote:The Foley affair sure brings out inventivity in the insinuators, impliers and spinners among conservatives...
Oh, c'mon now, nimh; you know perfectly well that the spindustry is an equal-opportunity employer.
Surely most spindustrial accidents are preventable.
timberlandko wrote:nimh wrote:The Foley affair sure brings out inventivity in the insinuators, impliers and spinners among conservatives...
Oh, c'mon now, nimh; you know perfectly well that the spindustry is an equal-opportunity employer.
That it is. Politicians are politicians. But the conservatives are just way way more corrupt so they have to spin at tornado speed and volume.
Quote:Foley Case Snags House Incumbent in Ohio
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/12/us/politics/12cong.html
I do NOT like Pryce, so I'm mostly happy to see this though I'd prefer that her support declined because of her own policies/ actions.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/12/foley.fallout/index.html
Quote:
Ex-aide expected to testify he warned about Foley
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An ex-congressional aide is expected to tell a House ethics panel Thursday that he delivered warnings about former Rep. Mark Foley to House Speaker Dennis Hastert's top aide years ago.
Kirk Fordham, who once was Foley's chief of staff, plans to testify under oath that he warned more than one congressional official several times about Foley's inappropriate behavior with pages, said a source familiar with Fordham's account.
Fordham, who arrived Thursday afternoon at the committee hearing, has said the warnings were earlier than Republican leaders have reported.
The ex-aide on Thursday declined to talk about his likely testimony but said he was "pretty comfortable" with providing details to the committee.
"I slept very well last night. I had a good night's sleep," Fordham told reporters outside his Washington home. "I talked to my family, and I am going to tell the truth."
The source said Fordham will say he notified Scott Palmer, Hastert's chief of staff, three or four years ago about a report that Foley had shown up drunk at the dormitory that houses the teenage messengers. (Watch how the scandal has affected Foley's district -- 1:23Video)
Two sources familiar with Fordham's account said that Fordham maintains he arranged a meeting between Foley and Palmer about that report and accounts of other behavior he found troubling.
In a statement last week, Palmer denied Fordham's version of events, insisting that "what Kirk Fordham said did not happen." Palmer has made no further comment.
Page board testifies
Also Thursday, the ethics committee questioned a member of the House Page Board, Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, R-West Virginia. At the time the scandal broke, Capito said that she was never consulted about Foley.
"I want to see this investigation go forth quickly and reach a conclusion," Capito said Thursday after about 90 minutes in the committee room.
The chairman of the page board, Rep. John Shimkus, R-Illinois, is scheduled to appear before the committee Friday.
Foley, a Florida Republican, resigned September 29 after sexually explicit instant messages from the six-term lawmaker to male pages became public. The House ethics panel and Justice Department are investigating how the House GOP leadership handled the matter, and FBI agents interviewed Fordham last week.
House Republican Conference Chairwoman Deborah Pryce of Ohio asked House Clerk Karen Haas to investigate the dormitory allegation last week. Capitol Police are looking through files for any record of the incident, a spokeswoman said.
Another GOP lawmaker, Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite of Florida, said she conducted her own investigation two weeks ago and learned that Foley "showed up at the page dorm one night inebriated." Brown-Waite has not released any details.
Fordham resigned last week as chief of staff to Rep. Tom Reynolds, R-New York, after ABC News reported that he offered the network an exclusive on Foley's resignation if it agreed not to air transcripts of the most explicit messages.
After his resignation, he said he warned Hastert's office about Foley well before 2005, when the speaker's office says it first learned about nonexplicit but "overly friendly" e-mails between Foley and a Louisiana teen who had been a page earlier that year.
On Wednesday, the ethics committee heard from the supervisors of both Republican and Democratic pages. Next week, the Louisiana congressman who raised concerns in late 2005 and his top aide will appear before the committee.
Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-Louisiana, brought Foley's e-mails to a former page to House leaders' attention in 2005. His chief of staff, Royal Alexander, said he would testify on Monday, while the congressman will testify Wednesday.
Royal Alexander, who is not related to his boss, said. "We are happy to go voluntarily. Neither he nor I have retained attorneys yet, either."
The Louisiana lawmaker was the sponsor of a 16-year-old male who was a page, or messenger, on Capitol Hill. In November 2005, the teen reported receiving e-mail from Foley asking him what he wanted for his birthday and whether he would send Foley a picture of himself. The teen characterized the requests as "sick," but the e-mails were not sexually explicit.
Who knew what, when?
Rep. Alexander brought the e-mail from his constituent to the attention of Hastert's office, resulting in a private warning to Foley from then-House Clerk Jeff Trandahl and Shimkus, the House Page Board chairman. Both Alexander and the teen's family have said that they did not want the issue made public and wanted the contact to stop.
Hastert and other top GOP lawmakers have said they were not previously aware of the sexually explicit instant messages between Foley and other pages. But sources familiar with the situation told CNN that Trandahl had raised alarms about Foley's contacts with the teens long before he resigned his post in November 2005.
And in a statement Tuesday, Rep. Jim Kolbe, R-Arizona, said that a young man he had appointed as a page told his office that he had received an e-mail from Foley "that made him uncomfortable." Kolbe's office said the complaint was from 2000 or 2001.
CNN's Kelli Arena, Ted Barrett and Deirdre Walsh contributed to this report.
One things' for sure: the idea that Hastert's office (and most likely Hastert himself) didn't know about the problem before the 'emails' surfaced is ridiculous.
Cycloptichorn
No way of knowing whether this matches the facts or not. But the mode of operation is paradigmatically Rove...block out, defund, disempower those who aren't "loyal" and include, fund and empower those who are loyal. Loyalty here means to support administration (Rove et al) strategies to the singular end of gaining/increasing power. This was, for one example, the precise strategy which motivated and built the K Street Lobby machine.
Quote:HOW ROVE TWISTED FOLEY'S ARM:
It seems increasingly clear that the GOP congressional leadership, eager for every safe incumbent in the House to run for re-election, looked the other way as evidence accumulated that Mark Foley had a thing for pages. Holding onto his seat became more important than confronting him over his extracurricular activities.
But there's more to the story of why Foley stood for re-election this year. Yesterday, a source close to Foley explained to THE NEW REPUBLIC that in early 2006 the congressman had all but decided to retire from the House and set up shop on K Street. "Mark's a friend of mine," says this source. "He told me, 'I'm thinking about getting out of it and becoming a lobbyist.'"
But when Foley's friend saw the Congressman again this spring, something had changed. To the source's surprise, Foley told him he would indeed be standing for re-election. What happened? Karl Rove intervened.
According to the source, Foley said he was being pressured by "the White House and Rove gang," who insisted that Foley run. If he didn't, Foley was told, it might impact his lobbying career.
"He said, 'The White House made it very clear I have to run,'" explains Foley's friend, adding that Foley told him that the White House promised that if Foley served for two more years it would "enhance his success" as a lobbyist. "I said, 'I thought you wanted out of this?' And he said, 'I do, but they're scared of losing the House and the thought of two years of Congressional hearings, so I have two more years of duty.'"
http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=47854
And this is supposed to be news that the commu-nazi state of Illinois doesn't like Bush?
cjhsa wrote:And this is supposed to be news that the commu-nazi state of Illinois doesn't like Bush?
If you had read the article, you would know what it is about.
Walter Hinteler wrote:cjhsa wrote:And this is supposed to be news that the commu-nazi state of Illinois doesn't like Bush?
If you had read the article, you would know what it is about.
Here in Illinois, there are a lot of clips on local television news about Hastert trying to explain himself. It sounds like he is still struggling to get his story straight.
How Rove Twisted Foley's Arm
Kid of reminds me of how organized crime works.---BBB
How Rove Twisted Foley's Arm
The New Republic
Thursday 12 October 2006
It seems increasingly clear that the GOP congressional leadership, eager for every safe incumbent in the House to run for re-election, looked the other way as evidence accumulated that Mark Foley had a thing for pages. Holding onto his seat became more important than confronting him over his extracurricular activities.
But there's more to the story of why Foley stood for re-election this year. Yesterday, a source close to Foley explained to THE NEW REPUBLIC that in early 2006 the congressman had all but decided to retire from the House and set up shop on K Street. "Mark's a friend of mine," says this source. "He told me, 'I'm thinking about getting out of it and becoming a lobbyist.'"
But when Foley's friend saw the Congressman again this spring, something had changed. To the source's surprise, Foley told him he would indeed be standing for re-election. What happened? Karl Rove intervened.
According to the source, Foley said he was being pressured by "the White House and Rove gang," who insisted that Foley run. If he didn't, Foley was told, it might impact his lobbying career.
"He said, 'The White House made it very clear I have to run,'" explains Foley's friend, adding that Foley told him that the White House promised that if Foley served for two more years it would "enhance his success" as a lobbyist. "I said, 'I thought you wanted out of this?' And he said, 'I do, but they're scared of losing the House and the thought of two years of Congressional hearings, so I have two more years of duty.'"
The White House declined a request for comment on the matter, but obviously the plan hasn't worked out quite as Rove hoped it would.
timberlandko wrote:nimh wrote:The Foley affair sure brings out inventivity in the insinuators, impliers and spinners among conservatives...
Oh, c'mon now, nimh; you know perfectly well that the spindustry is an equal-opportunity employer.
First, though I'll self-evidently agree that you find spinners in all corners and parties, I disagree that you find
as many insinuators, impliers and spinners in both main parties. Spin and smear have been a set fixture of politics forever, but the Bush administration on the one hand and the talk-radio/Fox pundits on the other have really moved the goal posts.
Second, I wrote that "
The Foley affair sure brings out inventivity in the insinuators [etc] among conservatives", and thats true. They're the ones who have to squirm themselves out of their predicament, the Dems can just lean back and take the profit.
cjhsa wrote:And this is supposed to be news that the commu-nazi state of Illinois doesn't like Bush?
Ah yes, that "commu-nazi state of Illinois" that has elected 9 Republican House Reps among its total of 19. That elected a Republican Senator for 1999-2005. Where against the 2,9 million votes for Kerry, there were 2,3 million votes for Bush. And where in the State Senate, the Republicans have close to half the number of seats (27 against 31 for the Dems). That "commu-nazi state".
Black & White: Commies and Nazis = Democrats and Republicans.
Yes, Illinois and especially Chicago are the most goverment by the government to control the people places in the U.S.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/92811,CST-NWS-bside12.article
DEMOCRATS+they use bookmarks
REPUBLICANS=They prefer bent over pages