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Foley Quits Amid Allegations of Email Sex Scandal

 
 
wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:00 pm
A coworker showed me that Drudge report about twenty minutes ago. My coworker also believes that the prank "revelation" will dominate the news tonight.

(This same coworker previously told me how much he respects Ann Coulter.)
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:07 pm
Baited or not, it doesn't let him off the hook for actions he took. I feel baited everytime I look at a woman wearing next to nothing on the beach, but I don't think my wife would let me off the hook if I took the bait. (But honey, she was begging me for sex with that outfit she was wearing. Really, it was all her fault. Oh, and did I mention dear that I was drunk? And after all, I am a red blooded heterosexual male. So see, it was all her fault. Really.)
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:08 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
haha, I saw that, what a stupid thing to report.

First of all, if Pages were baiting Foley into writing inappropriate messages, and he wrote them, he's still in trouble for doing so. The actions of the pages themselves are immaterial to the case.

Second, the IMs in question are only part of a larger story with Rep. Foley - emails, former pages from the 90's, allegedly showing up drunk at a pages dorm, Fordham claiming he warned Denny about this years ago and they did nothing - so it isn't really just a question of how those IMs came about.

Nice try on the Republican side, though, can't blame them

Cycloptichorn


Cyclops, you seem like a fairly honest person, so eventually you will have to face the truth, Democrat operatives are not above the sleeziest schemes imagineable. After all, when you claim no moral standard, but simply live to prove your opposition are hypocrites, then what do you expect, Cyclops?

Last election, we had Dan Rather publishing fake documents, and to this day, nobody cares, Cyclops. That is a felony. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Nobody Cares. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Nobody Cares. Get that, Cyclops. If it was a Republican hit piece, that person would be found long ago and sitting in prison right now, today, get that, Cyclops.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:09 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Back on topic, TPM says:

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The press is already acting a little wary. But to make things worse, we understand that there are other revelations about lawmakers' misbehavior with pages waiting to erupt. Other members, other pages, other scenarios that haven't become public. If any of that dirt breaks in the next 24 hours -- well, it would most likely blow a hole through the GOP message that they've got the situation under control, and start a whole new wave of what-did-they-know, when-did-they-know-it. And it will be even less enjoyable than the first round.


I predict that we still haven't found out everything about this scandal, and that it is going to get worse before it gets any better.

Cycloptichorn


I have purposely stayed out thread, but I think as usual everyone is over-reacting.

The only reason the Dummycrats are acting as they hypocrites they are is that this is October and there are elections next month. They will do anything to stay away from talking about issues and put this nonsense front and center. Also remember they are the minority party looking to say or do anything to become the majority party.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:11 pm
You get it woiyo, this stuff shows up every election in October, and strangely the vast majority of them are proven scams and lies. Sometimes too late to be known until after the election. Scumbags!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:11 pm
I think it's funny that when it is widely reported that there is an 'october surprise' planned by the Republicans, there's nothing wrong with that and everything's just politics as usual.

But when it gets turned around on them.... well, then the other party must be hypocrites and playing crass politics instead of discussing policy.

Yeah f*cking right.

Cycloptichorn
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:14 pm
I agree Woiyo that many are over-reacting. This is no different than any of the many other sex scandals that politicians have been caught in over the years. Too many democrats are trying to use this for political hay (not to say that republicans wouldn't if the shoe were on the other foot)

As I think I mentioned in another thread, as far as I am concerned, there is one less pervert up there. Case closed and good riddance.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:14 pm
Politics is politics, muckraking is common, and negative campaigning is fine if you point out true problems your opponent has, but phony scams and sick setups are getting worse and over the line of decency.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:19 pm
But I don't think this is a scam or a setup. The IM's are out there and Foley is not denying that he wrote them. He resigned and that should be that. Of course, just like republican politicians who smell blood, the dems won't let this go either as long as they think they can milk it to make the other side look bad.

And I agree, it's high time we demand more of our politicians that the muckracking we seem to get.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:23 pm
Here is a piece that says that we shouldn't be surprised about Foley. That is because there is a long history of Republican pedophiles and deviants.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_jackson__061004_more_republican_sexu.htm
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:24 pm
Yes, what part of this is a scam or a setup?

I think that both of you can see, if you look, that the majority of Dems have kept their mouths shut on this issue. It is the media driving the investigation now, not the Dem party.

Hell, they don't have to say anything at all, everything is working out just fine for them without any prompting.

Cycloptichorn
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:36 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I think it's funny that when it is widely reported that there is an 'october surprise' planned by the Republicans,


this isn't Rove's October Surprise?

Gotta be - the Democrats are almost silent, only the media and Republicans (all angles of the issue) seem to be working this one over (other than on A2K).
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:48 pm
Internal poll: Hastert may devastate GOP http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218043,00.html
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 02:58 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Internal poll: Hastert may devastate GOP http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218043,00.html

Oooh that is interesting stuff.

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"The data suggests Americans have bailed on the speaker," a Republican source briefed on the polling data told FOX News. "And the difference could be between a 20-seat loss and 50-seat loss."

(Interesting also because a 20-seat loss is apparently already considered a given.)

All that is from an anonymous source though. But this isnt:

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the newest AP/Ipsos poll also showed that half of likely voters say the Foley scandal will be "very or extremely important" when it comes time to vote on Nov. 7. By nearly a 2-1 ratio, voters say Democrats are better at combating corruption.

Exclamation
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 03:01 pm
Well, Foley is a scumbag, no question. Warning flags went unheeded, no question. Political hay is being made, no question. While there are pressing, vitally important economic, national security, and public infrastructure issues left hanging, the Democrats have made this the issue on which they're hinging their Mid Term effort, no question. Though Cyc may opine otherwise, there is this:

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Democrats hop on Foley scandal
Across the nation, their campaigns are attacking Republican incumbents with any ties to House leaders who are under fire.
By WES ALLISON and ADAM SMITH
Published October 5, 2006

That didn't take long.



Days after the e-mail scandal ensnared Rep. Mark Foley and raised questions about how House Republicans handled it, Democrats across the country have worked the matter into campaign ads, debates and political attacks aimed at depicting Republican leaders as more interested in protecting their own than in serving voters.

From Tampa Bay to the Midwest to the West, Democratic challengers are demanding that their Republican opponents return money Foley donated to their campaigns and denounce House Speaker Dennis Hastert for his office's handling of the matter.

"Call congressman Young at (727) 893-3191, and demand he stop the coverup. The answer is arrests, resignations and a new congressional leadership," said a recorded message hitting St. Petersburg area homes in the district of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores.

Similar "robo-calls" by a Washington, D.C., liberal group, American Family Voices, are reaching constituents of Florida Republican Reps. Ginny Brown- Waite, Clay Shaw, Ric Keller and Tom Feeney, as well as residents of 45 other congressional districts across the country.

With Democrats needing just a 15-seat gain to win the House and six to take the Senate, and with tight races across the country, turning Republican voters their way on Election Day - or at least getting them to stay home - could be deadly for the GOP.

"It's voter suppression. It's the classic role of calls like this to reduce Republican turnout," said Republican political consultant Rick Wilson. "But the Democrats are getting out on cliff here and better be careful before it comes back to bite them, being too partisan with this."

Foley resigned Friday after ABC News made public a series of sexually explicit messages he sent to teenage boys who had served as congressional pages.

House Republican leaders say they knew nothing of those messages but acknowledged they had spoken with Foley in November after a former page complained of "overly friendly" e-mails Foley had sent him. The leaders did not talk to other pages or investigate further.

Ninth Congressional District Democratic candidate Phyllis Busansky fired at Republican rival Gus Bilirakis on Wednesday, noting that Hastert recently helped raise about $60,000 for Bilirakis.

"It has been well documented that Hastert knew about congressman Foley's reprehensible e-mails and still enabled Foley to remain chair of the Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children," Busansky said in a statement. "It is time for Gus Bilirakis - not his spokespeople - to step forward and speak for himself for once: Does he support Dennis Hastert as speaker of the House?"

Bilirakis said he supported a full investigation into the matter, but he doubted Hastert would brush off serious evidence of improper behavior by Foley.

"Let's see what the facts are. ... Whoever tried to cover it up should be prosecuted," Bilirakis said.

Similar political spats are taking place across the country, particularly in races where Democratic challengers are close to unseating Republican incumbents.

In Nebraska, a debate between Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, the Republican incumbent, and Democrat Maxine Moul became an argument over whether Hastert should resign over the scandal.

In Pennsylvania, embattled Rep. Jim Gerlach, a Republican, canceled a scheduled fundraiser with House Majority Leader John Boehner until more was known about who in the leadership knew what about the Foley messages, and when.

And in Albuquerque, Republican Rep. Heather Wilson, in a tight race against Democrat Patricia Madrid, is being challenged for not doing enough to protect pages when she served as a member of the House Page Board in the last congressional session, when Foley sent messages to former pages he had met in Washington.

But perhaps the most cutting use of the scandal is in Minnesota by Democrat Patty Wetterling, a nationally known advocate for exploited children whose son, Jacob, was abducted by a masked gunman 16 years ago. He has been missing since.

Wetterling is challenging State Sen. Michelle Bachmann, a Republican. This week, she launched TV ads calling for an investigation and the expulsion of any members "involved in this crime and coverup."

"Congressional leaders have admitted covering up the predatory behavior of a congressman who used the Internet to molest children," her advertisement says. "For over a year they knowingly ignored the welfare of children to protect their own power."

Wetterling, because of her personal history, is one Democrat who can get away with hammering at the Foley scandal without being accused of politicizing it, but analysts for both parties said other Democrats best be careful.

The party's congressional leaders, Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California and Harry Reid of Nevada, have called for an investigation into how Republican leaders handled the initial allegations against Foley last year.

But they continued to pour most of their criticism on other matters, especially the Republican handling of the war in Iraq. Democratic strategists said that while they expected other candidates to allude to the scandal in more TV ads to come, it would probably be tangential - discussing the importance of protecting children from predators, for instance.

Democrats have scandals of their own, including bribery allegations against Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., and America still hasn't forgotten about the sexual scandal, and attempted coverup, involving former President Bill Clinton and a former White House intern.

Democratic pollster Dave Beattie said Democrats should be wary of looking too partisan.

"I don't think Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid should talk about it," he said. "Don't hold a lot of press conferences on it."


This isn't Rove's "October Surprise" - whatever that may be is still unsprung. The Foley Flap is the Dem's October Surprise - and as things appear to be developing, the surprise well may not work out quite the way they had hoped it might.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 03:08 pm
So, a bunch of Democratic hopefuls in close races across the country are latching on to this, and it's the Democratic party in general all of a sudden? Nah, I don't think so. You'd be hearing a lot more posturing and chest-beating if the Dems are involved.

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the surprise well may not work out quite the way they had hoped it might.


Question, what evidence leads you to this conclusion, or is it merely conjecture?

Cycloptichorn
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 03:12 pm
Like, if the boot was on the other foot, the Republicans would keep a dignified silence? Uh-huh.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 03:14 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I think it's funny that when it is widely reported that there is an 'october surprise' planned by the Republicans,


this isn't Rove's October Surprise?

Gotta be - the Democrats are almost silent, only the media and Republicans (all angles of the issue) seem to be working this one over (other than on A2K).


Ok...you and others see the democrats as "almost silent" and Timber, of course, sess the democrats as milking it for all it is worth.


Does anyone have any evidence?

I don't think Timber's one article provides real evidence.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 03:21 pm
PLAY Help Hastert Hide The Perv!... http://helphastert.cf.huffingtonpost.com/
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 03:25 pm
McTag wrote:
Like, if the boot was on the other foot, the Republicans would keep a dignified silence? Uh-huh.


It would be just another Democrat obsessed with sex. Big deal.
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