Foley Quits Amid Allegations of Email Sex Scandal

Ticomaya wrote:

dlowan wrote:

Paedophilia technically implies no such thing necessarily...only liking. As does ephebophilia. Both tend to get used to also imply the action, ephebophilia is often a term favoured by politically active paedophiles, to attempt to give it the cachet of Ancient greek.

Your distinction is absolutely meaningless. [..]

[b]Pedophilia [/b]- [i]sexual activity[/i] of an adult with a child [b]Ephebophilia [/b]- a [i]sexual preference[/i] in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to postpubescent adolescents

Are you making these definitions up yourself, Tico?

Webster.com:

Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

American Heritage Dictionary:

ped·o·phile
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.

Healthline, main definition:

Pedophilia is a paraphilia that involves an abnormal interest in children. [..] Pedophilia is also a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or actual act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification.

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In short, a pedophile is a pedophile even if he does not engage, or currently engage, in sexual activity with children.

All you and Timber are engaging in is wordplay in any case, intended to blur the issue and instill doubt about just how bad exactly it is what Foley did - pedophile or 'just' ephebophile?, etc. Starting discussions that succeed in bogging indignation down in the contested intricacies of definition does tend to be pretty effective in dispelling negative impact - it scatters the attention.

But by not only engaging in mere wordplay but actually, it seems?, making the word definitions up yourself as you go along to suit the conclusion you want to reach, you sure do go the extra length...

I suspect also there's more dirt yet to be flung, and of course more claim of victimhood from Foley.

If 16 IS the age of consent in DC, then I have much less concern for Foley's behaviour.


Is it really?

BTW, many jurisdictions have an older age of consent for homosexual sex, which I consider silly, but it is often the law. Is it so in DC?

I am used to 17 as age of consent.

Hitting on pages, if they can consent, is sleazy, like hitting on an intern was, (or allowing oneself to be hit on, depending on which story you hear).

Yeah, I think he makes up a buncha stuff, in fact.

All you and Timber are engaging in is wordplay in any case, intended to blur the issue and instill doubt about just how bad exactly it is what Foley did - pedophile or 'just' ephebophile?, etc. ...

Have you typed it into tfd.com yet?

Bullshit, nimh. But if pedophilia connotes or denotes sexual activity with a child, that is not what has occurred. That is the point.

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Have you typed it into tfd.com yet?

I'd never heard of tfd.com - I see now that it's something called "The Free Dictionary".

And yes, I just typed it in. Guess what I found:

"The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children."

Emphasis mine.

Same definition as the ones I cited, then.

Looks like Foley literally engaged in pedophilia according to the tfd defintion then - ie, the fantasy of engaging in sexual activity with a child.

Also looks like the whole distinction you just tried to define between pedophilia and ephebophilia (one is about activity, the other just about preference) is not substantiated by the tfd definition either.

So in short, you did indeed not make up your definition - you just changed or misremembered the one you found, in a way that made it suit your argument.

Well I'm glad you cleared that up.

Ticomaya wrote:

Bullshit, nimh. But if pedophilia connotes or denotes sexual activity with a child, that is not what has occurred. That is the point.

Well, than your point (emphasis mine) appears to be herewith debunked.

Well he can fast step like a lawyer, but can he admit he was shown to be wrong like a man?

timberlandko wrote:

I suspect also there's more dirt yet to be flung, and of course more claim of victimhood from Foley.

Timber, are you saying that the emails and chat logs revealing Foley's accosting of pages is "dirt" that is "flung"?

Uhm, he did it, right, its out there, you can read it for yourself? Seems to me he's got only himself to blame for that. Or is revealing something that actually happened now considered "flinging dirt" in your book?

Mind you, the context of that part of the sentence was ambiguous - you could have just been talking about accusations of Hastert being aware and not acting on the chat logs. At least, I'm guessing that's the only part you're contesting; that Hastert knew about, but did not act on, the emails is already established, after all...

Could you clarify the second part of your sentence here as well? "and of course more claim of victimhood from Foley"? Are you talking about Foley claiming victimhood, or more pages claiming victimhood from Foley?

You chopped the definition, and nimh showed clearly that you chopped up the definition. Pedophilia is the act or fantasy of sex with a child. You were trying hard to bend the definition to fit your argument, which was based on the assertion that Foley would've had to have sex with a child to be guilty of pedophilia.

But, no one expects you to admit you're wrong, Tico. It has been pointed out correctly that you do not admit being wrong. It speaks of your character.

Please type it exactly as I instruct:

"Type p-a-e-d-o-p-h-i-l-i-a into tfd.com."

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Ticomaya wrote:

Bullshit, nimh. But if pedophilia connotes or denotes sexual activity with a child, that is not what has occurred. That is the point.

Well, than your point (emphasis mine) appears to be herewith debunked.

Then you must be claiming Foley engaged in sexual activity with a child.

Is that what you are claiming?

One thing we have cleared up is whether or not you are an ass.

Ticomaya wrote:

Please type it exactly as I instruct:

"Type p-a-e-d-o-p-h-i-l-i-a into tfd.com."

Type in p-e-d-o-p-h-i-l-i-a, Tico, and you get exactly the definition I just posted.

Or are you making an argument now purely based on the different definitions of pedophilia and paedophilia in tfd.com? Are you serious?

In any case you've already got definitions from Webster and the American Heritage Dictionary and Healthline above that also each debunk your claim that it's only pedophilia when sexual activity is involved.

So what is your remaining point on this, exactly?

Ticomaya wrote:

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Ticomaya wrote:

Bullshit, nimh. But if pedophilia connotes or denotes sexual activity with a child, that is not what has occurred. That is the point.

Well, than your point (emphasis mine) appears to be herewith debunked.

Then you must be claiming Foley engaged in sexual activity with a child.

Is that what you are claiming?

Huh?

Try reading that again, Tico.

You wrote, "if pedophilia connotes or denotes sexual activity with a child, that is not what as occurred. That is the point."

If that was your point, then it has been debunked. Because, according to at least three dictionary definitions brought here already, pedophilia does not connote or denote only sexual activity - it can also denote fantasy of engaging in sexual activity (tfd, healthline), or even just sexually attraction to a child (American Heritage Dictionary).

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One thing we have cleared up is whether or not you are an ass.

Wow you get angry when you're shown wrong.

nimh wrote:

Timber, are you saying that the emails and chat logs revealing Foley's accosting of pages is "dirt" that is "flung"?

Uhm, he did it, right, its out there, you can read it for yourself? Seems to me he's got only himself to blame for that. Or is revealing something that actually happened now considered "flinging dirt" in your book?

Its dirt - its real, but its dirt ... very dirty, sleazy dirt. Its no less real, no less reprehensible no less sleazy for being dirt, but dirt is what it is, and its being flung around - enthusiastically.

My personal take is that hindsight now shows more could have been done, including both action against Foley and stronger investigation. I don't see anything resembling a coverup, just a screwup

I figure Foley may be expected to attempt to rationalize his actions - not excuse them, but portray himself the helpless pawn of personal flaws ... admit guilt without accepting it, if you get my meaning - "I have no one to blame but myself, but I was weak and couldn't help myself- I shoulda sought help earlier".

And since you mention it, I'd be unsurprised were more pages to be turned, so to speak.

Hey, doofus ... you're the one who accused me of making up the definition. I've now shown you that I did not make it up, and I've yet to see an acknowledgement from you that you were wrong, much less an apology.

The point -- as I've already said -- is that the connotation of pedophilia (as dlowan has correctly admitted) includes sexual activity, and the facts do not show that has occurred. That is the point, as I've already said several times now.