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Bill Clinton Takes On Fox News

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 06:39 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
dlowan wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
wow, a whole page of cowshit.

wow, a whole person full of cowshit.


I thought he was a boy?


Isn't "bullshit" the correct term?


Just askin'....


It is, but McG was taking liberty with the term to denegrate plainoldme.


If you took the time to read any of it, you would realize that it wasn't me denigrating Plainoldme, did just fine by themselves.


I did take the time and read every word. Your assumption about my lack of attentiveness is parallel to your assumption that everybody other than you is in need of a change of thinking.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 06:42 pm
Intrepid wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
dlowan wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
wow, a whole page of cowshit.

wow, a whole person full of cowshit.


I thought he was a boy?


Isn't "bullshit" the correct term?


Just askin'....


It is, but McG was taking liberty with the term to denegrate plainoldme.


If you took the time to read any of it, you would realize that it wasn't me denigrating Plainoldme, did just fine by themselves.


I did take the time and read every word. Your assumption about my lack of attentiveness is parallel to your assumption that everybody other than you is in need of a change of thinking.


Oh no, quite the contrary, I believe you lap up every dribble of spewage anyone writes here that agrees with you and your point of view.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 06:47 pm
Re: BBB
McGentrix wrote:
So, you are fine with using only that graph as an ecnomic indicator then?

I just want to know so that when I demonstrate the economy is doing fine according to that chart no one comes back with other indicators that the economy is doing horribly.

Well, if the economy had been positively nosediving - I mean, that was the claim you made, no? - you would have thought that there would have been any flicker of a sign of that on the Dow, no? Its a pretty sensitive and immediate detector of economic change after all.

There wasnt. Nothing. Your assertion that the economy was "nosediving" when Bush inherited it is bogus. <shrugs>

In re to your question, if I look at the current US economy, I see several structural flaws - but nobody can reasonably say its doing "horribly", no, not with the Dow at least consistently trending up again. Just worse than it could have done, and improving in ways that offer relatively little benefit for the common man (eg the "jobless recovery").
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 07:06 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
dlowan wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
wow, a whole page of cowshit.

wow, a whole person full of cowshit.


I thought he was a boy?


Isn't "bullshit" the correct term?


Just askin'....


It is, but McG was taking liberty with the term to denegrate plainoldme.


If you took the time to read any of it, you would realize that it wasn't me denigrating Plainoldme, did just fine by themselves.


I did take the time and read every word. Your assumption about my lack of attentiveness is parallel to your assumption that everybody other than you is in need of a change of thinking.


Oh no, quite the contrary, I believe you lap up every dribble of spewage anyone writes here that agrees with you and your point of view.


Don't be so hard on yourself. I may not agree with what you say, but you shouldn't refer to your words as dribble of spewage. Then again, it seems that very few agree with you.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 07:11 pm
okie wrote:
nimh, if you look at your graph, you would notice the DOW was peaked out on the cycle before Clinton left office.

Peaked out? If you mean that it had levelled off, yes indeed - the DOW was at its peak, and - atypically - remaining there, stable, rather than dropping again. It had reached about 10,500 about a year and a half previously, and had been holding steady at that unprecedented height since.

okie wrote:
The market consists of cycles, so it was already peaked and headed down by the time Bush took office.

No, it was not already heading down; it was remaining steady at the highest level it had ever reached. As you can see quite easily in the graph, the DOW in fact remained steady after Bush took office for almost another year. Even 9/11 couldnt keep it down for long, it bounced right back. It only fell for a longer time halfway through 2002 - almost halfway through Bush's first term, and a year and a half after Clinton had already left the scene.

Furthermore, you are shooting yourself in the knee (is that the expression?) with your argument about how the market is by definition cyclical. If the market always consists of cycles, then yes, of course, the peak it had reached in the late 90s would inevitably be followed by a drop again - its the nature of the beast - and thus not something you can blame on Clinton. What is left then is that, while the market by definition alternates peaks and drops, the peak it reached under Clinton was higher than any it had reached before. A damning piece of evidence, for sure.
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chiso
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 08:10 pm
If a Republican had been in office from 96-00 followed by a Democrat, nothing would have been different. It took something like 911 to piss us off enough to take action. So I certainly will not blame Clinton for what he did or did not do during those years. I feel really confident nothing would have been different had a Republican been in office.

However, his actions in this interview were seriously immature and unwarranted. The question asked was a standard question that any journalist, except maybe Larry King, would have asked him at this time. And the comments about a 'conservative hit job'...truly comical. With CNN, BBC, AP, NBC, CBS and even ABC all being on the left, some more than others, can't he just let them be? What a freakin baby!

But never mind all of that. What I need to know is... I mean, I have my sins, and God knows I try to resist temptation. But someone please tell me if you know: What sin is it you commit that makes your nose begin to look like the head of a penis?
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 08:27 pm
Since it is a standard question, when was it asked of Bush or anyone in the Bush administration? I would love to see when someone from Fox asked that question. Certainly they have had access to Bush to ask the question.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 08:28 pm
One word.

Pinocchio.
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chiso
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 08:53 pm
parados wrote:
Since it is a standard question, when was it asked of Bush or anyone in the Bush administration? I would love to see when someone from Fox asked that question. Certainly they have had access to Bush to ask the question.

??? You mean, why he didn't do anything when he was in office from 96-00??? Shocked
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 08:56 pm
chiso wrote:
parados wrote:
Since it is a standard question, when was it asked of Bush or anyone in the Bush administration? I would love to see when someone from Fox asked that question. Certainly they have had access to Bush to ask the question.

??? You mean, why he didn't do anything when he was in office from 96-00??? Shocked

That wasn't the question that was asked of Clinton.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:05 pm
chiso wrote:
If a Republican had been in office from 96-00 followed by a Democrat, nothing would have been different. It took something like 911 to piss us off enough to take action. So I certainly will not blame Clinton for what he did or did not do during those years. I feel really confident nothing would have been different had a Republican been in office.


Really? Remember, terrorism did not begin with 911, and some of our people had arranged it so that OBL was ready for the taking, all Clinton had to do was give the okay, but he nixed it. I think there is a good chance that someone like Bush would have done it. Nobody knows for sure but I think the chances were much better than 50/50 Bush would have either captured or killed him. Then Bush would have promptly been blamed by the Democrats for creating more terrorists for martyring him.
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chiso
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:20 pm
You may be right. I just think it would have taken something more than the Cole to get the support needed. I am certainly conservative, and not a Clinton fan, but I do remember he was bombing Kosovo with definite opposition from anti-war lefties. Maybe someone like Bush would have done more...but it's in the past and I don't think deserves any more attention.
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chiso
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:25 pm
...however, his extreme defensive posture and personal attack on a journalist for asking a question is a different story. One that will be around for a while.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:30 pm
chiso wrote:
...however, his extreme defensive posture and personal attack on a journalist for asking a question is a different story. One that will be around for a while.


Only with the Bush lovers. The rest of us don't care.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:32 pm
okie wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I wonder if Olbermann will ever get his reputation back after writing so much crap?


Amen. Are we all supposed all bow down and kiss Clinton's shoes? How dare we ask him a single question that might embarrass the loser?


That's the whole point and you dolts have missed it completely. As an example, when Bush 1 was questioned he couldn't respond because he was caught out.

Clinton responded with vigor and the truth and the simple unvarnished truth is that Bush and the neo-cons have been given a free ride for over five years. They lied thru their teeth, they avoided planning for Iraq like the plague; they daily commit illegalities; they likely daily torure people.

There is so much they should be called up on the carpet for and the MSM just delivers softballs and then allows them to spend the rest of the time spouting republican talking points.

When Wallace said that he asked the republicans these same questions, he LIED. The notion that Faux News is anything even approaching evenhanded is ludicrous on its face.

The biggest issue of all. Everything these dolts have done has made matters worse, not only for the USA but the world at large.

If one of you bush sucking sycophants would entertain even a modicum of honesty, you'd have to admit that they have been, as a government, nothing but a monstrous joke.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:41 pm
okie wrote:
... Did anyone notice him laying his hand on Wallace, sort of a no-no in interviews like this in my opinion.


Jesus H Keeeerist alllllmighty. Have you any sense of common sense?

George Bush touching Matt Lauer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCIh8qvHGcU&eurl=


Will your next post be an apology for your stupidity or for unfairly maligning Bill Clinton?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:42 pm
Re: okie
gungasnake wrote:

You don't look for character in a psychopath....

Hare says 50% of the guys in for violent crimes in prisons are basically psychopaths. That says you could take any of half the guys in max security prisons and give them a hundred and eighty IQ, and you'd have another Slick KKKlinton. That's all the guy really is.


Which prison are you writing to us from?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:46 pm
Okie just sinks deeper and deeper in the quagmire called G.W. Bush. I wonder if he considers what George is doing in that interview as a no no, or just close gesturing.

BTW...that video could be on either the Bush is stupid thread or the worst president in history thread. Laughing
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:50 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Clinton is a natural born loser-loser so that's fitting.


How come you haven't volunteered to go to Iraq?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 09:52 pm
gungasnake wrote:
Many of our soldiers are from heavily demokkkrat-infested areas like Baltimore, Detroit, and LA. They're statistically safer in Iraq than they would be at home.


Which brings us to the question of the moment. Why haven't you volunteered to go to Iraq?
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