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Rosie and Extremism

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:01 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Surprisingly large?

Yes.
By their ranting,
or use of political power, or of media influence
to undermine, curtail, and violate citizens' rights
of self defense and to
the necessary emergency equipment thereof,
one wud expect the number of gun-carrying
anti-gun zealouts to be ZERO
.

That has not proven to be the case,
referring to Sen. Diane Feinstein, Sen. Charles Schumer,
Eleanor Roosevelt, anti-gun actress Jennifer O'Neill
( movie "The Summer of '42 " )
who accidentally shot herself in the stomach, at home,
Washington Post writer Carl Rowan,
who called for a complete prohibition
of all guns except police,
who used an illegal gun and SHOT a tresspasser
for swimming in Rowan 's pool.
Those are all the ones
that I remember at the moment.



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What percentage do you have on this, OmSig?

I said nothing about percentages.



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What statistics or facts lead you to believe this?

See facts above; no statistics.
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What research have you done to show that this is true?

I did no research; these facts just
came to light in the media, over the years, EFFORTLESSLY.


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My guess is: none.

U like to do my thinking FOR ME, huh ?

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And I'm saying this as a guy who supports the Second Amendment and people's rights to own firearms.

Cycloptichorn

Getting a little HOSTILE, are we, gunlover ?
David



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I am no more a 'gunlover' than I am a hatchet-lover or a blender-lover.
A gun is just a tool for doing one's work like any other tool and should be treated as such.

I love my blender and the guns
that I have acquired are LOVABLE.
( I have been accosted by police at gunnery ranges,
admiring the beauty of my ordnance. )
If I wanna LOVE my tools,
then I 'll dam well LOVE them,
whether u approve or NOT.



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I merely take exception to the erroneous
use of terms such as 'surprisingly large.' Surprising to who? "


I merely take exception
to your erroneous use of the word " erroneous ".
I justified my position
in response to your abusive attack, above.
If I remember MORE anti-gun hypocrits,
maybe I 'll add them.




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How large is large (other than your preclivity for making large, colored posts)?

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL U ?
I already TOLD u: it is more than ZERO,
under the indicated circumstances.



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You haven't done any research, have no statistics, posts, or evidence;

It appears that when u ask questions,
u don 't bother to read the answers that u solicited.
LOOK ABOVE.


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yet you advance a point as if it were a fact. Don't.

Cycloptichorn

I REJECT your orders.
U present yourself as a very hostile person
with disorganized processes of thought.
That is annoying.




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'I don't know about you, but when George Bush said he did not believe in nation building, I did not know he was talking about this nation.' - Barack Obama

The President 's duties r defined in Article II
of the Constitution; u will search there in vain
for any duty to build the nation.
David
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:04 pm
Quote:
U present yourself as a very hostile person
with disorganized processes of thought.
That is annoying.


Yeah, I'm the one who is hostile and disorganized. That's why I glorify firearms, post in large, annoyingly colored letters, and make continual grammatical and spelling errors. Nice of you to point that one out.

Cycloptichorn Rolling Eyes
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:04 pm
timberlandko wrote:
snood wrote:
... I'll buy that Rosie doesn't want anyone but her bodyguards (police and military) to own a gun when someone shows me a quote ...

Certainly sir, here you are:
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Rosie O'Donnell ...
April 19, 1999, broadcast of her talk show, on which she stated, "You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison."

Will that be cash or charge, and would you like it wrapped?


Laughing You mean my credit ain't no good here?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:07 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
U present yourself as a very hostile person
with disorganized processes of thought.
That is annoying.


Yeah, I'm the one who is hostile and disorganized. That's why I glorify firearms, post in large, annoyingly colored letters, and make continual grammatical and spelling errors. Nice of you to point that one out.

Cycloptichorn Rolling Eyes


The bad spelling and grammar are intentional--OSD has explained that--but the shouting and overall rudeness must come naturally.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:08 pm
echi wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
echi wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
echi wrote:
O'Donnell said, "I don't personally own a gun, but if you are qualified, licensed and registered, I have no problem."


She made this statement to qualify previous ones that were pretty crazy.

Yeah; she did not mention
that she hired her own troops
to MAN her guns for her.

David


So what? The quote I posted does not contradict her decision to hire armed bodyguards.

So what ?
I did not allege that u contradicted something.


So... What does your repsonse have to do with my post?

What it has to do with your post is:
a comment.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:21 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
U present yourself as a very hostile person
with disorganized processes of thought.
That is annoying.




Quote:

Yeah, I'm the one who is hostile and disorganized.

Good point



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That's why I glorify firearms,

There is nothing hostile nor disorganized
about glorifying firearms.

I suspect u of hypocritical dissembling;
maybe u r Rosie, in disguise.
In any case, by your mien
u seem to be a fanatical, emotional
opponent of freedom of self defense,
or the equipment thereof.
David
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:25 pm
I note you left out the part of the post discussing the frequent grammatical and spelling errors, as well as the proclivity for using large, annoyingly colored fonts.

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I suspect u of hypocritical dissembling;
maybe u r Rosie, in disguise.
In any case, by your mien
u seem to be a fanatical, emotional
opponent of freedom of self defense,
or the equipment thereof.
David


You don't know what the hell you are talking about. I own and have used rifles all my life, and am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment.

Just because someone disagrees with something you say doesn't make them a 'fanatical, emotional opponent of freedom.' I find it to be highly ironic that you accuse me of such things based upon no evidence other than my criticism of one of your statements.

Cycloptichorn
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:26 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:


( I have been accosted by police at gunnery ranges,
admiring the beauty of my ordnance. )
David


Are you sure those weren't male strippers warming up for a show?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 03:46 pm
Hey, I really apologize for the humongous C&P that follows, but I wanted to go for accuracy in reporting here. This interview with Selleck happened on May 19, 1999. Rosie doesn't say anything like she wants people to go to jail for owning guns, only that she is against owning assault rifles, like the ones used at Columbine.

By the way, this is from an NRA website, if anyone is doubting the veracity. I doubt they'd reproduce something in a flattering light for Rosie:


Transcript of Tom Selleck and Rosie O'Donnell's NRA Discussion

Rosie: We're here with Tom Selleck who's a member of the NRA. Three months ago you joined the NRA.

Tom: I did. I actually joined to do an ad. Because, I've done a lot of consensus work for like the last 7 to 8 years and what disturbs me and I think disturbs a lot of Americans is the whole idea of politics now-a-days which seems to be, 'if you disagree with me, you must be evil' as opposed to 'if you disagree with me, you must be stupid'. That's very American.

You know, the demonizing of a group like the NRA is very disturbing. And that coupled with the idea that the government is getting into the idea of suing. We did it for noble reasons with tobacco. I think it was a mistake. Then they moved to gun makers, now they're suing television shows. Oliver Stone there's a suit on his movie.
I think the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, and all of the Bill of Rights are extremely important. And somebody needs to stand up at times where... maybe some of our politicians are demagogue-ing issues. Reasonable people should disagree in this country; we should celebrate that, not consider it a threat.

Rosie: Right, but I think that the reason that people are so extreme against the NRA is because the NRA has such a militant strength, especially a power in Washington to veto or to stronghold any sensible gun law. They have been against every sensible gun law, until yesterday, including trigger locks, so that children, which there are 500 a year that die, don't get killed.

Tom: I'm not a spokesman for the NRA. In fact, all I can tell you is, I was a member when I was kid. I was a junior NRA member. I learned firearm safety. And from what I can see in the last three months, they don't do a lot of the stuff that you assume that they do.

Rosie: I don't assume.

Tom: They are for trigger locks. The NRA is for a lot of things as long as they're voluntary.

Rosie: They're against the registering of guns. We have to register cars. Why shouldn't we register guns so that when a crime is committed we can trace who has owned it?

Tom: You know, I understand how you feel. This is a really contentious issue. Probably as contentious, and potentially as troubling as the abortion issue in this country. All I can tell you is, rushes to pass legislation at a time of national crisis or mourning, I don't really think are proper. And more importantly, nothing in any of this legislation would have done anything to prevent that awful tragedy in Littleton.

What I see in the work I've done with kids is, is troubling direction in our culture. And where I see consensus, which is I think we ought to concentrate on in our culture is... look... nobody argues anymore whether they're Conservatives or Liberal whether our society is going in the wrong direction. They may argue trying to quantify how far it's gone wrong or why it's gone that far wrong, whether it's guns, or television, or the Internet, or whatever. But there's consensus saying that something's happened. Guns were much more accessible 40 years ago. A kid could walk into a pawn shop or a hardware store and buy a high capacity magazine weapon that could kill a lot of people and they didn't do it.

The question we should be asking is... look... suicide is a tragedy. And it's a horrible thing. But 30 or 40 years ago, particularly men, and even young men, when they were suicidal, they went, and unfortunately, blew their brains out. In today's world, someone who is suicidal sits home, nurses their grievance, develops a rage, and is just a suicidal but they take 20 people with them. There's something changed in our culture. That's not a simple...

Rosie: But you can't say that guns don't bear a responsibility. If the makers of the TEC-9 assault rifle... Why wouldn't the NRA be against assault rifles? This is a gun that can shoot five bullets in a second. This is the gun that those boys brought into the school. Why the NRA wouldn't say as a matter of compromise, 'we agree, assault weapons are not good'?

Tom: I'm not... I can't speak for the NRA.

Rosie: But you're their spokesperson Tom, so you have to be responsible for what they say.

Tom: But I'm not a spokesperson. I'm not a spokesperson for the NRA.

Rosie: But if you put your name out and say, 'I, Tom Selleck...

Tom: Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not a spokesperson. Remember how calm you said you'd be? Now you're questioning my humanity.

Rosie: No, not your humanity. I think you're a very humane man. I'm saying that if you...

Tom: Let's just say that I disagree with you but I think you're being stupid.

Rosie: But you can't say that I will not take responsibility for anything the NRA represents if you're saying that you're going to do an ad for the NRA.

Tom: Really?

Rosie: You can't say that. Do you think you can?

Tom: Look... you're carefully skirting the issue. It's an act of moral vanity, Rosie, to assume that someone who disagrees with your political agenda to solve our problems, cares any less or is any less shocked...

Rosie: I never said you cared less.

Tom: Well, let me finish...

Rosie: Tom, I don't think you cared less. Nor do I think the men in the NRA cared less.

Tom: The women too.

Rosie: And the women. I simply said, why can there not be a compromise on the issue...

Tom: There IS a compromise! There's a compromise in enforcing laws. There's a compromise with not allowing kids with guns in school. The problem is, and what you don't seem to realize... you seem to have some sort of... look, we all hang out with people we agree with. And you have a one very one-sided view of the fact of what you don't understand...

Rosie: As does the NRA and the people you hang out with at the NRA have a one-sided view as well.

Tom: I don't hang out with people of the NRA...

Rosie: OK, well, you're saying that I hang out with people with my views. I'm just saying...

Tom: I said people tend to...

Rosie: We all tend to. The NRA does and the un-NRA does.

Tom: You know, this is a nice one-sided conversation but you keep interrupting me. Remember how civil you said we were going to be?

Rosie: I let you talk for four minutes without saying one thing! I did. I didn't say one thing! I simply asked a question on what their philosophies are. And you don't want to...

Tom: I told you... look, when do you want to get to television and violence...

Rosie: I agree! I agree.

Tom: ...and game shows...

Rosie: Game shows?

Tom: ...and how do you reconcile...

Rosie: You mean video games? I agree!

Tom: Please let me finish! Let me say just one thing. What you're really talking about... at least what I'm talking about... is are we a responsible enough society, in terms of television, in terms of guns, in terms of everything else, to be this free? That should frame the debate. My answer unfortunately, in this culture, is 'probably not'. But I'm going to down with the Civil Liberties ship, and all the Bill of Rights, and apply them equally. That's the way I feel. You can ask me specific questions about anything, but it's simply stupid political rhetoric.

Rosie: Well, it's not stupid political rhetoric. We also have freedom of speech, but you're not allowed to scream 'fire' in a crowded movie theater because it threatens the safety of other people.

Tom: I understand.

Rosie: Assault weapons threaten the safety of other people. There's no reason, in my opinion, to have them. You want to have a hunting rifle? Great! You want to have a handgun?

Tom: Do you really think the Second Amendment to the Constitution to guarantee hunting and target shooting? Do you really think that's what the Founding Fathers meant?

Rosie: I think the Second Amendment is in the Constitution so that we can have muskets when the British people come over in 1800. I don't think it's in the Constitution to have assault weapons in the year 2000. But I'm wrong? I guess...

Tom: (nods his head)

Rosie: You know, this is the problem. Here's what happens. The people with opposing views, there is no compromise because, you feel attacked, I feel attacked. You feel less understood...

Tom: I haven't attacked you. I've disagreed with you.

Rosie: And I've disagreed with you as well. But mine comes in the form of attacking because...

Tom: I haven't mentioned assault weapons once. I haven't mentioned a lot of things once. The nature of this debate... I didn't come on your show to have a debate. I came on your show to plug a movie. That's what's I'm doing here.

Rosie: And that's what we did.

Tom: If you think it's proper to have a debate about the NRA, I'm trying to be fair with you.

Rosie: As I am trying to...

Tom: But this is absurd. You're calling me a spokesman for the NRA.

Rosie: Tom, if you are a celebrity and you're doing an ad that says, 'I am the NRA', then what should have been...

Tom: Have you read the ads?

Rosie: I have read the ads.

Tom: Good.

Rosie: Did you read the ads?

Tom: I said them. I read them when I say them.

Rosie: Well, I do too. Well, this is not supposed to be a personal...

Tom: Well it's certainly very entertaining, look at the audience, they're just laughing and having a great old time.

Rosie: Well it's a serious subject. I don't think it's a lot to laugh about.

Tom: Well, that's fine.

Rosie: All right, well, this has not gone the way I had hoped it had gone. But, I would like to thank you for appearing anyway, knowing that we have differing views. I was happy that you decided to come on the show. And if you feel insulted by my questions, I apologize, because it was not a personal attack. I was meant to bring up the subject as it is in the consciousness of so many today. That was my intent. And if it was wrong, I apologize to you, on a personal level.

Tom: It's your show and you can talk about it after I leave too.

Rosie: Well, I thought I would give you an opportunity to discuss your side of it. Which is what I hope that I did. And if I was wrong I'm sorry. (Tom looks away from Rosie) Well, obviously, it didn't do much good.


http://www.nracentral.com/tom_selleck.php
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 05:33 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Atavistic wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
gungasnake wrote:
Better yet, do you feel safer on account of those dickheads having done that?


Do you mean the CIA employees who flew the planes into the WTC?

You don't seriously believe that do you?

The world has a lot of
mentally ill people, Atavistic,
who are out-of-touch with reality.



Were my 84 year old father reading your quote, his reply to you, David, would be, "It takes one to know one."

Please use ordinary type.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 05:36 pm
snood wrote:
"Viruntly opposed to freedom of access to the means of self defense..."



What's that mean? Rosie didn't want anyone to own a gun?


If our illogical friend MysteryMan were here, I would hope that he would feel compelled to say what he said about corporations who pay CEO's 400 times what they pay janitors: People can do what they want.

Well, somehow Rosie's right as editor and producer of her own show is being protested.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 05:41 pm
Dartagnan wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
U present yourself as a very hostile person
with disorganized processes of thought.
That is annoying.


Yeah, I'm the one who is hostile and disorganized. That's why I glorify firearms, post in large, annoyingly colored letters, and make continual grammatical and spelling errors. Nice of you to point that one out.

Cycloptichorn Rolling Eyes


The bad spelling and grammar are intentional--OSD has explained that--
but the shouting and overall rudeness must come naturally.

COUNTERrudeness.

This may be a first:
in the past, I have truthfully asserted
that use of large or colored fonts,
are rendered to facilitate reading ( not shouting )
instead of altering vocal inflections n body language;
however, in candor, this is an exception to that.

Actually, Dart is right
about the overall rudeness coming naturally,
but I usually restrain it.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 05:50 pm
plainoldme wrote:
snood wrote:
"Viruntly opposed to freedom of access to the means of self defense..."



What's that mean? Rosie didn't want anyone to own a gun?


If our illogical friend MysteryMan were here, I would hope that he would feel compelled to say what he said about corporations who pay CEO's 400 times what they pay janitors: People can do what they want.

Well, somehow Rosie's right as editor and producer of her own show is being protested.


not as much " protested " as being REJECTED
as to her unAmericanism
and her hypocrisy

David


P.S.:
MM has a fine analytical mind,
worthy of admiration.
He is indeed correct that people can do what they want,
as this is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:02 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
What it has to do with your post is:
a comment.
David



oh... sorry
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:20 pm
plainoldme wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Atavistic wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
gungasnake wrote:
Better yet, do you feel safer on account of those dickheads having done that?


Do you mean the CIA employees who flew the planes into the WTC?

You don't seriously believe that do you?

The world has a lot of
mentally ill people, Atavistic,
who are out-of-touch with reality.



Were my 84 year old father reading your quote,
his reply to you, David, would be, "It takes one to know one."

According to THAT reasoning,
only the mentally deranged
can be competent to render a psychiatric diagnosis;
therefore, no man shud be granted a license
to be a mental health care provider
unless he has been found to be non compos mentis,
and no man can render an orthopedic diagnosis,
unless his bones r broken.

Will u ask your father if that 's what he means ?
( While u r at it, u might also ask him
whether he wishes to be represented
as to what he wud say,
without his being consulted first. )

David
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:22 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
P.S.:
MM has a fine analytical mind,
worthy of admiration.
He is indeed correct that people can do what they want,
as this is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave[/size]


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

No, he is consistently illogical and hasn't a clue how to argue.

I formerly worked in a library and I hated dealing with large type books. Its true that I have worn glasses most of my life and have worn bifocals for more than a decade, however, I find outsized type unreadable on anything but a billboard. I take my glasses off to read normal type . . . and as I sit at the keyboard, what appears on my screen has to be 10 point.

Reduce your size and zero out the color. They serve to make your posts illegible.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:24 pm
All -- You can remove David's obnoxia when you copy his posts. Please do. Just backspace over the bracketted words, "color" and "font."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:24 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I note you left out the part of the post discussing the frequent grammatical and spelling errors, as well as the proclivity for using large, annoyingly colored fonts.

Quote:
I suspect u of hypocritical dissembling;
maybe u r Rosie, in disguise.
In any case, by your mien
u seem to be a fanatical, emotional
opponent of freedom of self defense,
or the equipment thereof.
David


You don't know what the hell you are talking about. I own and have used rifles all my life, and am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment.

Just because someone disagrees with something you say doesn't make them a 'fanatical, emotional opponent of freedom.' I find it to be highly ironic that you accuse me of such things based upon no evidence other than my criticism of one of your statements.

Cycloptichorn

I suspect that u r a FONY.
David
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:26 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:


I suspect that u r a FONY.
David


It takes one to know one.

Thanks, Dad.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:28 pm
OSD, responding to Cyc, wrote:
I suspect that u r a FONY

I suspect you misapprehend. I suspect as well, based on what has been evidenced in this discussion, that you're arguing beyond your depth when you take on Cyc - but that's your call.
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