Rosie and Extremism

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Christians dangerous?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co1_9lR9EpM&eurl=

'Jesus camp' where kids are taught to be warriors, and worship the president. Truly scary

Cycloptichorn

The whole "laying down your life like those in Pakistan" part is a bit scary.

I really don't think they were "worshipping" a picture of Bush, though. I think they wree cheering the idea of one nation "under god."

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Ticomaya wrote:

I can't get the video to play for some reason.

I find that when a video won't play on YouTube, if I click on a different video, and then click the back button, the first video usually pops up right away.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

So, maybe Saddam had something to do with the post-9/11 anthrax attacks....

Hussein basically caused the US senate office building to be poisoned with anthrax.

If you have some reason why anybody should be allowed to get away with **** like that you probably ought to tell us about it.

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Hussein basically caused the US senate office building to be poisoned with anthrax.

If you have some reason why anybody should be allowed to get away with **** like that you probably ought to tell us about it.

I think you are lacking a little bit of evidence to be throwing around accusations such as this.

Cycloptichorn

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The evidence is so overwhelming that only someone in a state of denial could miss it.

Nobody doubts or questions any of the basic claims:

1. The anthrax attacks followed 9/11 by days. A disgruntled white guy trying to do that and pin it on the 9/11 hijackers would not have had the necessary time.

2. The one "disgruntled white guy" they tried to investigate noted that if he were stupid enough to do that he'd either be dying of anthrax as they spoke or would have the serum antibodies in his blood and he offered to take a blood test on the spot, fibbies facilities or his, and that was unanswerable.

3. The first cases turned up ten miles down the road from where the jackers were staying.

4. The last previous case of anthrax in a human in the US had been thirty years prior to that.

5. The Czechs are sticking with their story about Atta meeting with one of Hussein's top spies in Prague shortly before 9/11 and pictures of the two together have been published on the web.

You do not need to be Albert Einstein to put this easy a puzzle together.

The one argument I've seen anybody make against this overwhelming circumstantial case is that Bush and co would have been shouting it from the rooftops were it true. That is basically an argument from incredulity which does not wash given the facts. Bush and company do not figure they need this to win elections and they do not want anybody thinking that somebody did something like this and it was two years before we could act due to the condition in which SlicKKK KKKlintler had left the US military.

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You know Gunga, I think your schtick is getting a bit tiring. Just like those who think they are being witty or intelligent by calling Bush names, you think you are being so by your constant referral of Bill Clinton with your KKK crap. It is just as juvenile as the other side. So why don't you grow up and act a bit more mature and maybe, just maybe the other side will do the same and discussions on A2K could become a bit more adultlike.

Just a thought.

Oh, and just so you know, some of the Bush-haters need to grow up also, but I'll let the democrats here police their own. I personally think we should be above the immaturity you seem to portray with your KKKlinton stuff.

Ok, I got that off my chest now. Have a good day.

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People without a sense of humor don't go far in life.

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Come on Gunga, you know I've got a sense of humor. I'm a clown. Humor is all I'm about. And even the best gags get old and downright monotonous after a while.

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No way, CoastalRat. If someone's personality causes you to lose focus, that's your problem. You might think it makes them come off as juvenile (and I might agree with you on that), but that's their problem.

GUNGA--

How in the hell can we manage a worldwide ban on Islam? And what type of government do you think the US could set up in Iraq (or anywhere) that would actually work?

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echi wrote:

No way, CoastalRat. If someone's personality causes you to lose focus, that's your problem. You might think it makes them come off as juvenile (and I might agree with you on that), but that's their problem.

GUNGA--

How in the hell can we manage a worldwide ban on Islam? And what type of government do you think the US could set up in Iraq (or anywhere) that would actually work?

Doesn't cause me to lose focus at all. Just makes me more apt to consider them immature and juvenile, which leads many to discount much of what they say. Do you really think the average non-republican on a2k really gives much credence to Gunga's opinions? Ah well, take my comments for what you will.

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George Bush has tried to take the high road, and it may or may not work. It would have a much better chance of working without all the backbiting and treasonous activity of demokkkrats and leftists. Nonetheless, even assuming W were to succeed beyond his dreams and five years hence there were five or six major islammic democracies sitting there in the middle east; at the end of the day, you've still got a billion people engaging in a form of devil worship and whether democracy would save them is problematical.

The other route W could have taken and which may someday still be necessary to take, and which would almost certainly be necessary were anything else like 9/11 to happen, would be what I probably would have done after 9/11 in W's place. The scenario goes like this: We put two large atomic or small hydrogen bombs down on top of Mecca and Medina turning them into glass mirrors, and then the president goes out over worldwide TV and says something like the following:

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I wish to make the following announcement to the billion or so former muslims in the world. Concerning the phony idol Allah and the phony "prophet" mohammed you used to worry about; you need no longer fear them, I just took care of them as you have probably observed. Mohammed is dead and Allah never existed, or surely he would not have allowed an infidel such as myself to reduce his holy city to molten glass.

And so, I wish to congratulate you on your conversion to Christianity and welcome you into the fold of the civilized world. You will want to put Christian crosses on top of any mosques which you wish to continue to use for religious purposes (to prevent them being bombed) and you will need supplies of bibles and other Christian materials which we will provide.

Aside from that, the practice of the former religion of Islam is hereby declared to be a form of devil worship and banned from this entire planet, and anybody caught practicing it will be put to death and buried in a box with the body of a pig.

Have a nice day.

Now, the ONLY one group of people you'd figure you needed to clear anything like that with would be Russia; An American president intent on putting such a plan into action might want to put Pat Buchanon in charge of that little detail. You'd have to give Kosovo back to its rightful owners and straighten out a few other leftover CFR/demokkkrat policies which have been poisoning relations with the orthodox and slavic worlds, but I wouldn't see that as any sort of a show stopper.

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Splendid job there, gunga, absolutely splendid - Rosie could use your latest contributuion to this discussion verbatim to validate the point she was making - even though the remark of hers setting forth that point was no less ignorant and ill-advised than your post here at discussion. Gotta say, with opponents of the sort typified by the biggotted screed you just offered, "The Other Side" often finds itself greatly convenienced.

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As I noted, this would be a sort of a last resort, or worst possible case scenario. The pentagon HAS discussed the idea and it has been in the news if you look hard enough.

But, tell us, worst possible case, New York city is lying there in ruins after some sort of a nuclear weapon smuggled in by AQ types goes off there, what exactly would YOU do?

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I would first make the assumption that my enemy is at least as intelligent as I am. Then I would examine his motives, his objectives, his operational capacity, and most importantly, his major points of weakness.

Then I would work to find a real solution. That begins with honest diplomacy, something which is curiously rejected by the Bush Administration. You gotta wonder about people who prefer violence to dialogue.

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echi wrote:

I would first make the assumption that my enemy is at least as intelligent as I am. Then I would examine his motives, his objectives, his operational capacity, and most importantly, his major points of weakness.

Then I would work to find a real solution.

Reasonable - and pretty much the way anybody would goes about about developing a battleplan.

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That begins with honest diplomacy,

Here you run into trouble - your proposal presupposes one's opponent might engage in open and honest dialogue - a circumstance decidedly not equivalent to that in which we today find ourelves reference organized global terrorism.

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something which is curiously rejected by the Bush Administration.

Nonsense - the Bush Administation has not withdrawn from the incompetent, corrupt, impotent UN and ejected that useless, obstructionist body from US soil, but rather, in the face of consistent evidence to the contrary, persists in the fiction the UN serves some necessary purpose. To persist in a consistently failed course of action with anticipation of improved result through repetition pretty well meets the definition of stupid.

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You gotta wonder about people who prefer violence to dialogue.

Just to what form and level of dialogue have those waging war by terrorism suggested, or even indicated, they might be amenable? It is they unambiguously and in just so any words who have declared themselves to be, and who have demonsrated themeslves to be unalterably and uncompromisingly at war, war which has been in effect for decades, but a war to which only just now the US has begun to respond in substantive, proactive manner.

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echi wrote:

I would first make the assumption that my enemy is at least as intelligent as I am. Then I would examine his motives, his objectives, his operational capacity, and most importantly, his major points of weakness.

Then I would work to find a real solution. That begins with honest diplomacy, something which is curiously rejected by the Bush Administration. You gotta wonder about people who prefer violence to dialogue.

Well, I'd like to think I like a peaceful, reasonable resolution as much as anyone, but -
If I find myself standing in the ruins of a nuclear attack on NY, and if I were someone who could effect big decisions on a national scale, I would be trying to retaliate before I sat anyone down for a tete-a- tete.

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snood wrote:

Well, I'd like to think I like a peaceful, reasonable resolution as much as anyone, but -
If I find myself standing in the ruins of a nuclear attack on NY, and if I were someone who could effect big decisions on a national scale, I would be trying to retaliate before I sat anyone down for a tete-a- tete.

Congratulations, you just figured it out, or at least just figured SOME of it out.

Anything else like 9/11, and I would have to assume that the quasi fiction of us not being at war with Islam per se would have to go out the windows. At that point, you have to start believing that we are in fact at war with a religion. There would be no other safe or rational assumption.

And, ASSUMING that we are at war with Islam, then you have to start by levelling Mecca. The religion could not continue without the one city for a number of reasons which are not complicated.

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Here you run into trouble - your proposal presupposes one's opponent might engage in open and honest dialogue - a circumstance decidedly not equivalent to that in which we today find ourelves reference organized global terrorism.

You don't engage the terrorists, you engage those societies that support them. Carrot and stick. They know we have the stick, now, do we have the carrot?

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Here you run into trouble - your proposal presupposes one's opponent might engage in open and honest dialogue - a circumstance decidedly not equivalent to that in which we today find ourelves reference organized global terrorism.

You don't engage the terrorists, you engage those societies that support them. Carrot and stick. They know we have the stick, now, do we have the carrot?

Cycloptichorn

Oh, we have, and offer, plenty of carrots - apparently, however, "they" seem to not much care for carrots, nor do they evidence prudent respect for the stick, but rather are intent upon taking over the corral. In practice whatchya gotta do with a critter like that - if you figure on letting it live among the others anyhow - is hobble it, secure it by a short lead to a sturdy post, feed it only after all the others have been tended, and otherwise ignore it. Takes a while, but they come around. Of course, if there's no reason to let such a critter live among the others ...

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your proposal presupposes one's opponent might engage in open and honest dialogue

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I don't trust my enemy. I recognize the value in getting as close as we can. We want as much information as possible, to be absolutely certain that we always make the best, possible decision. You say the Bush guys are perfectly willing to sit down and talk, any time. They don't even say that. They say they're just not interested in having relations with countries that are different. Why? Why would someone want to disregard real diplomatic efforts? The United States has the most/best weapons, so no need to bluff, there. What do we have to hide?? Why not sit down at the table and let the American people hear what evil sounds like?

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