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WHO WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER?

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 11:27 am
Election be damned. Why I am eagerly awaiting tuesday for is to see an end to those 30 second adds and the phone calls that come a dinner time spelling out the virtues of a candidate.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 12:33 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
nimh wrote:
And oh yes, a Roman Catholic who opposes the death penalty - like the Pope does! How weird is that?


Maybe its the same kind of incongruousness or dishonesty that would attribute the statement to Foxfyre and talk about it as if Foxfyre wrote it?

Sorry Fox, no dishonesty, just sloppiness. I quoted your post with its copy/paste, cut away everything but the part I wanted to respond to, wrote my response underneath and clicked "submit". That's all there is to it. No misattribution intended

But I agree that it would have been extra nice to take the effort to go up to the quote tag and delete the bit saying /="Foxfyre"/. Even if not many people actually do that, it is the scrupulous thing to do.

Foxfyre wrote:
But you fail to mention that the Pope also defends the rights of the innocent unborn. The writer that you quoted, who wasn't Foxfyre, quite correctly pointed out that a Catholic who is not pro life but is against the death penalty is perhaps more inconsistent than would be say an Atheist furthering such opinions.

Umm.. where exactly did the writer point that out again? You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?

Below is what the article actually said..:

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Typical for her 20-year House career, Mrs. Pelosi received a 100 percent rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America last year and a 0 rating from the National Right to Life Committee. A Roman Catholic who has repeatedly voted to uphold partial-birth abortion, who has voted against parental notification when minor children seek abortion and who has shown no concern for the rights of the innocent unborn, Mrs. Pelosi has consistently opposed the death penalty.

Yes, thats all there was on that.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 12:35 pm
The public is fickle; Diebold is not.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 12:36 pm
edgar, Succinct and to the point.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 01:18 pm
Thank god we here in MN only use optical scanners and the law requires a random audit of a certain number of precints to compare paper ballot to machine count.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 01:20 pm
au1929 wrote:
Election be damned. Why I am eagerly awaiting tuesday for is to see an end to those 30 second adds and the phone calls that come a dinner time spelling out the virtues of a candidate.


Now this is something we agree 100% on.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 01:44 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
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But you fail to mention that the Pope also defends the rights of the innocent unborn. The writer that you quoted, who wasn't Foxfyre, quite correctly pointed out that a Catholic who is not pro life but is against the death penalty is perhaps more inconsistent than would be say an Atheist furthering such opinions.


Nimh wrote
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Umm.. where exactly did the writer point that out again? You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?

Below is what the article actually said


No, I was responding directly to your post which I quoted and you re-quoted. You were the one who made a big deal about the Pope opposing the death penalty and so it was not unusual that Pelosi, a Catholic, would also oppose it. I don't disagree with that.

But Pelosi is also 100% unqualified pro choice which goes against the teaching of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church. So if you are going to argue it to be normal for her to be true to her faith on one issue, you should also acknowledge that she is not within the norm on the second issue. At least that would have been the more honest critique. The writer didn't bring the Pope into it at all but simply mentioned the contrast between the two positions. You brought the Pope into it. Did you make that up?

Personally, I don't fault her, as a candidate, for going against the teachings of her Church. But as a pro-lifer, I count it a negative for elected office that a person favors abortion on demand at any time for any reason. A single issue would not necessarily be a deal breaker for me, but when included with many other more extreme liberal views as the writer of the editorial enumerated, in my opinion it does paint a clear picture of how Ms. Pelosi would likely lead as Speaker given that opportunity.

It is a scenario that no conservative or moderate would relish.

Otherwise, I accept your explanation and apology for misquoting me.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 01:44 pm
I was glad to note a paper trail printing out as I voted yesterday.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 01:49 pm
sumac wrote:
I was glad to note a paper trail printing out as I voted yesterday.


Yes, a paper backup is certainly desirable and that is one good thing our governor has accomplished in New Mexico too. The only problem is that the trend seems to be to eliminate voting machines altogether and go back exclusively to the paper ballot. Personally I would like to see both used as a check and balance in case of the remote possiibility of rigged machines or unscrupulous vote counters.

Of course then you always have the conspiracy theories and valid questions if the voting machines and paper ballot backup don't tally.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 02:22 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Personally I would like to see both used as a check and balance in case of the remote possiibility of rigged machines or unscrupulous vote counters.


I'm nearly for 30 years now counting votes (and working at elections). I really can't imagine how you could convince (well, certainly not here) at least eight persons from four different parties plus four civil servants to close their eyes or to do whatever "unscrupulous" all together ...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 02:30 pm
Walter, Only in America...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 02:33 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Personally I would like to see both used as a check and balance in case of the remote possiibility of rigged machines or unscrupulous vote counters.


I'm nearly for 30 years now counting votes (and working at elections). I really can't imagine how you could convince (well, certainly not here) at least eight persons from four different parties plus four civil servants to close their eyes or to do whatever "unscrupulous" all together ...


The problem here is that some precincts are virtually all of one of our two major parties and in some areas it is difficult to find multi-party poll watchers much less vote counters. And just look at all the conspiracy theorists out there who are certain Diebold machines cannot be trusted. Or as in 2000, all the people who filed suit to challenge or have counted pregnant chads, hanging chads, or an unidentified mark of any kind on a ballot. I definitely see some disadvantages to a two-party system.

The myriad challenges and lawsuits filed after ever U.S. general election is living proof that hanky panky is suspected everywhere.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 02:43 pm
That certainly might be so (everything in your post, I mean :wink: ).

We do get sometimes only poll workers from three parties as well. Recently, however, a couple of persons not members of any party at all, too. [We watch the election in two shifts, then both shifts count together - the recording persons and the chairpersons are of some "public institution", mostly civil servants.]
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 06:11 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Nimh wrote
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Umm.. where exactly did the writer point that out again? You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?

No, I was responding directly to your post which I quoted and you re-quoted.


You said, literally, that "The writer" whom I quoted, "who wasn't Foxfyre" - so thats the writer of the article you'd posted - "quite correctly pointed out that a Catholic who is not pro life but is against the death penalty is perhaps more inconsistent than would be say an Atheist furthering such opinions."

He did no such thing. You made all that up yourself. Fine - its a valid enough point, actually - you argue it well enough. Its just not one ever made by the writer to whom you attribute it.

And thats kind of ironic considering this conversation started with you calling me "incongruous or dishonest" because I accidentally misattributed a quote.

Meanwhile, I'll join the call for a paper trail from voting machines.

This year for the first time there's discussion about the reliability of voting machines in Holland too - we've been using them in increasing numbers for a succession of elections already, by now the whole country would have voted with them, and nobody ever questioned them. But last month there was a small scandal, as it turned out that a certain brand of the voting machines used did not properly protect the privacy of the vote.

They've been withdrawn for the elections later this month, and so the city of Amsterdam will now have to vote the traditional way, with paper ballots and a red pencil, again. The city has actually had to lease back the ballot boxes, because they'd already sold them last year as collector items...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 07:18 pm
The writer wrote
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Typical for her 20-year House career, Mrs. Pelosi received a 100 percent rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America last year and a 0 rating from the National Right to Life Committee. A Roman Catholic who has repeatedly voted to uphold partial-birth abortion, who has voted against parental notification when minor children seek abortion and who has shown no concern for the rights of the innocent unborn, Mrs. Pelosi has consistently opposed the death penalty.


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Nimh wrote
Foxfyre wrote:
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A Roman Catholic who has [..] shown no concern for the rights of the innocent unborn, Mrs. Pelosi has consistently opposed the death penalty.



Gotta love the twisted irony in someone piling together that sentence.

She has no concern for the right of the unborn, and she has opposed the death penalty!

Someone can really say that in one and the same sentence like that, as if there's a perfectly normal logical consistency behind it?

And oh yes, a Roman Catholic who opposes the death penalty - like the Pope does! How weird is that?


Foxfyre wrote
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But you fail to mention that the Pope also defends the rights of the innocent unborn. The writer that you quoted, who wasn't Foxfyre, quite correctly pointed out that a Catholic who is not pro life but is against the death penalty is perhaps more inconsistent than would be say an Atheist furthering such opinions.


Okay, I threw in the Atheist anaolgy, but the writer was obviously pointing out Pelosi's inconsistency, though a Catholic, in condemning the innocent to death but defending the guilty against the death penalty. And my point was obviously to state my opinion that you criticized the writer while leaving out the critical point of the writer's statement.

Nimh wrote
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Umm.. where exactly did the writer point that out again? You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 07:38 am
It is all simple to understand.

Conservatives only care about babies before they are born, Liberals care about babies after they are born.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 07:40 am
ebrown_p wrote:
It is all simple to understand.

Conservatives only care about babies before they are born, Liberals care about babies after they are born.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 09:50 am
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 09:57 am
ebrown_p wrote:
It is all simple to understand.

Conservatives only care about babies before they are born, Liberals care about babies after they are born.


Then why arent liberals adopting every child in state care,orphanages,and otherwise neglevted?

If what you say is true,why are there children in darfur starving to death and why does any child on the planet die of disease?

Shouldnt the liberals have already stopped all of that,with as much money as they hae thrown at the problems?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 10:45 am
mm is so dumb, he can't see the irony of his own statment.
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