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WHO WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 05:20 pm
Advocate wrote:
What are your views regarding Evangelist Ted Haggard? Even though he only received massages (choke!), could this have any effect on the elections?

Interestingly, he was probably the number one gay basher in the Christian Right. Bush is high up on the list, which makes one wonder whether he visits the men's room at Lafayette Park.
Just guessing but I would say that the Haggard thing will have an effect in Colorado because colorado has traditionally been a tossup state with the newly arrived evangelicals dominating the political scene.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 07:26 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
A Roman Catholic who has [..] shown no concern for the rights of the innocent unborn, Mrs. Pelosi has consistently opposed the death penalty.

Gotta love the twisted irony in someone piling together that sentence.

She has no concern for the right of the unborn, and she has opposed the death penalty!

Someone can really say that in one and the same sentence like that, as if there's a perfectly normal logical consistency behind it?

And oh yes, a Roman Catholic who opposes the death penalty - like the Pope does! How weird is that?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 08:09 pm
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/4860/2003583416076317721_rs.jpg

http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/7908/2003526416910270766_rs.jpg

Notice any trends here?

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 08:10 pm
I mean, look at the last 30 days before the election...

I think Foley must have had quite a bit to do with this

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 08:16 pm
Cool graphs huh?!

From the same source, look up the Senate 06: National forces estimate and the House 06: National forces estimate as well!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 08:27 pm
awesome

Cycloptichorn
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 04:21 am
Great graphs and modeling. As someone who used to do multivariate statistical analysis, you know that these, and similar paid for analyses, are much more accurate than the usual polling procedures. Particularly if one has the money to do it race by race.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:14 am
nimh wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
A Roman Catholic who has [..] shown no concern for the rights of the innocent unborn, Mrs. Pelosi has consistently opposed the death penalty.

Gotta love the twisted irony in someone piling together that sentence.

She has no concern for the right of the unborn, and she has opposed the death penalty!

Someone can really say that in one and the same sentence like that, as if there's a perfectly normal logical consistency behind it?

And oh yes, a Roman Catholic who opposes the death penalty - like the Pope does! How weird is that?


Maybe its the same kind of incongruousness or dishonesty that would attribute the statement to Foxfyre and talk about it as if Foxfyre wrote it?

But you fail to mention that the Pope also defends the rights of the innocent unborn. The writer that you quoted, who wasn't Foxfyre, quite correctly pointed out that a Catholic who is not pro life but is against the death penalty is perhaps more inconsistent than would be say an Atheist furthering such opinions.

The opinion piece, however, was not a discussion of Catholicism or the death penalty or abortion but what the voters should expect of a Speaker Pelosi. Admittedly, the thesis of these things frequently seem to escape highly partisan persons.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:18 am
I think trying to demonize Nancy Pelosi is the most pathetic thing the conservatives have ever tried-- especially given the antics of the current Speaker.

The fact is that the Republicans are willing to slime any Democrat in their frantic attempt to keep power from slipping through their fingers.

These attacks on Pelosi won't work.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:26 am
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I think trying to demonize Nancy Pelosi is the most pathetic thing the conservatives have ever tried-



That's saying a lot - there's a lot of pathetic to choose from.....
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:27 am
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what the voters should expect of a Speaker Pelosi


My god. If it weren't for these talking point cliches you continually transcribe, I think no sentences would be cognitively possible.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:48 am
blatham wrote:
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what the voters should expect of a Speaker Pelosi


My god. If it weren't for these talking point cliches you continually transcribe, I think no sentences would be cognitively possible.


I wonder when one's sole rebuttal consists of objecting to cliches become a cliche in itself?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 10:40 am
ebrown_p wrote:
I think trying to demonize Nancy Pelosi is the most pathetic thing the conservatives have ever tried-- especially given the antics of the current Speaker.

The fact is that the Republicans are willing to slime any Democrat in their frantic attempt to keep power from slipping through their fingers.

These attacks on Pelosi won't work.


I think it is pathetic to say telling the truth about somebody's official record based on what that person has actually said or how that person has voted, especially truths that are pertinent when deciding who to vote for, is 'sliming' them. What did the writer say about Ms. Pelosi that was not true?
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 10:45 am
Could you post a link to the Congressional Record, or some other good source, as to the vote in question?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 10:47 am
sumac wrote:
Could you post a link to the Congressional Record, or some other good source, as to the vote in question?


No, or I don't wish to take the time to do so. But I presume the writer who compliled the information could. And I presume any of you who think the writer is misrepresenting Ms. Pelosi's record could certainly provide some evidence for rebuttal.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 10:49 am
Sorry, Foxie. I was trying to show some interest in your assertion, but I am really more interested in the question posed in this discussion. Who will win?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 10:55 am
sumac wrote:
Sorry, Foxie. I was trying to show some interest in your assertion, but I am really more interested in the question posed in this discussion. Who will win?


So am I. But I am also interested in the tactics used to produce a win, and thus Ms. Pelosi's quite noticable absence, given that all or most Democrats running for re-election are trying to present themselves as 'moderates', is both significant and interesting. My interest is based on her presumed track record as summarized in the Washington Times, of course. And of course Ms. Pelosi herself is up for re-election though probably running essentially unopposed.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 11:07 am
I don't believe that she is playing any role in the campaigns. That is in the hands of the two party members who are deciding where to put the money and people, Meltzer and Emmanual, although I am not sure of the spelling of either name. Those two, plus the individuals running each candidate's campaign.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 11:10 am
sumac wrote:
I don't believe that she is playing any role in the campaigns. That is in the hands of the two party members who are deciding where to put the money and people, Meltzer and Emmanual, although I am not sure of the spelling of either name. Those two, plus the individuals running each candidate's campaign.


Some GOP ads have used her as illustration of ' the liberal emphasis we'll get' if the Dems take control of the House. One of her opponents (Keefer?) in her San Francisco district, however, has criticized her for being too moderate. Smile

Others comment that using Nancy Pelosi for anti-liberalism emphasis isn't too useful however since there isn't all that much name recognition. A lot of folks have no clue who she is.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 11:15 am
Yes, I agree - she has no huge name recognition nationwide.
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