WHO WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER?

Oh, I misread. In that case, I'm with keltic. You should have to do something you usually wouldn't do. But it's your bet, of course...

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Ican gives $100 to old europe, blatham give $100 me. And we give it to the ACLU or Salvation Army.

And we show that here.

(The not spent $100 are general expenses and spend in the next pizzeria.

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Old Europe:

Even that plan has flaws.

We can be reasonably certain that Ican does not give money to the ACLU, but how do we know that blatham doesn't give money to the Salvation Army?

It's a very popular charity, and people from both sides of the political spectrum donate to it.

I say whjy don't both agree on third party-Timberland would be ideal, if he agrees-and send their checks, postal money orders or whatever to him, and Timber agrees to to send the winner both checks.

Simple, easy, straightforward.

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kelticwizard wrote:

It's your bet, Blatham, but I wouldn't go for that.

What if Ican is already in the habit of donating $100 or more to the Salvation Army every year? There would be no change in what he is doing, hence no financial significance to the bet.

Similarly, how do we know that blatham doesn't already donate $100 or more a year to the ACLU?

The whole idea of a bet is to make the other person do what he normally would not do, ie, give money to someone or something that he would not be inclined to do otherwise.

Look, Ican, you stated you'd bet. Now you are only promising to give money, if you lose, to a cause that we have no reason to believe that don't donate money to anyway.

This "bet" is not a bet.

Understood. but it seemed as far as the fellow would be prepared to go. one hundred to the salvation army is a good thing regardless, as is one hundred to the aclu.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Ican gives $100 to old europe, blatham give $100 me. And we give it to the ACLU or Salvation Army.

And we show that here.

(The not spent $100 are general expenses and spend in the next pizzeria.

That plan makes a lot of sense to me, Walter! Do you know a good pizzeria?

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Well, I'll book two budget flights to Napoli, when they $100 arrive ...

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kelticwizard wrote:

It's your bet, Blatham, but I wouldn't go for that.

What if Ican is already in the habit of donating $100 or more to the Salvation Army every year? There would be no change in what he is doing, hence no financial significance to the bet.

Earlier this year, I donated $25 to the Salvation Army. I do that every year. If I lose my $100 bet, I'll donate an extra $100 to the Salvation Army this year.

Similarly, how do we know that blatham doesn't already donate $100 or more a year to the ACLU?

I couldn't care less! What he is promising is to donate an extra $100 to the ACLU this year.

The whole idea of a bet is to make the other person do what he normally would not do, ie, give money to someone or something that he would not be inclined to do otherwise.

Look, Ican, you stated you'd bet. Now you are only promising to give money, if you lose, to a cause that we have no reason to believe that don't donate money to anyway.

Like I already said, I donate $25 a year to the Salvation Army. I've long since done that this year. If I lose my $100 bet, I'll donate an extra $100 to the Salvation Army this year.

This "bet" is not a bet.

I disagree! For my part my bet is a bet, regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it.

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blatham wrote:

.....it seemed as far as the fellow would be prepared to go. one hundred to the salvation army is a good thing regardless.....

Jeez, what an anticlimax.

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kelticwizard wrote:

blatham wrote:
.....it seemed as far as the fellow would be prepared to go. one hundred to the salvation army is a good thing regardless.....

Jeez, what an anticlimax.

I was ready to get the popcorn. I'm a bit disappointed with blatham, I say.

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kelticwizard wrote:

blatham wrote:
.....it seemed as far as the fellow would be prepared to go. one hundred to the salvation army is a good thing regardless.....

Jeez, what an anticlimax.

LOL

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ican711nm wrote:

Earlier this year, I donated $25 to the Salvation Army. I do that every year. If I lose my $100 bet, I'll donate an extra $100 to the Salvation Army this year.

Sorry, no go. How do we know that you don't donate several times a year to the Salvation Army? Instead of several checks of $25, you might well be sending one check of $100.

ican711nm wrote:

I couldn't care less! What he {Blatham] is promising is to donate an extra $100 to the ACLU this year.

Please point to where Blatham said the word "extra" in regards to his donation to the ACLU. For all anyone knows, blatham might donate several hundred dollars to the ACLU a year.

And even if Blatham does promise, (which he so far has not done), to donate an "extra" $100, aren't you the one who was doubting his trustworthiness a few posts back?

I see. When it serves Ican's purposes of getting out of a bet by agreeing to donate to a chrity he donates to anyway, Blatham is trustworthy. Apart from that, Blatham is not to be considered trustworthy.

Blatham, and you trust this guy Ican? He sounds like an oily character to me.

ican711nm wrote:

Like I already said, I donate $25 a year to the Salvation Army. I've long since done that this year. If I lose my $100 bet, I'll donate an extra $100 to the Salvation Army this year.

We only have your word for that. And even if you post the $25 receipt, we don't know that you don't donate $25 quarterly, or even monthly. Or maybe you just came into money and were planning to up your donation. Or any of a number of other things.

The simple choice of an agreed on third party to hold the checks is the only way to ensure this bet is carried out as a bet, not just as a routine charity donation which was going to be made anyway. A choice which, very pointedly, Ican is making sure he does NOT agree to. Speaks volumes, especially since the suggested third party is from Ican's side of the political aisle.

ican711nm wrote:

I disagree! For my part my bet is a bet, regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it.

Sorry, but this still is not a bet. Not the way you're setting it up. Why don't you cut the BS, send the check to an agreed on third party to hold, and get this over with?

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Wow. Who'd have thought there would be a committee meeting to establish the rules of this bet? It's in good fun, I do understand.

I'm happy to go along with the committee's recommendations. but I expect the other party won't. and if he doesn't, that's fine as I'll trust him in the matter.
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Blatham:

You actually trust Ican after what he said about your trustworthiness?

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On this matter, yes. I think he's the sort of fellow who has grown up watching a lot of westerns and understands that if he either steals someone else's cows or welchs on a bet, then the rest of the fellas in the bunkhouse will tie him down and cornhole him until those cows come home. The laws of the american west are deep in his psyche.

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kelticwizard wrote:

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Sorry, no go. How do we know that you don't donate several times a year to the Salvation Army? Instead of several checks of $25, you might well be sending one check of $100.

You know it because I said so! I'll put it simpler for you:
If I lose my bet to Blatham, I will donate an extra $100 to the Salvation Army this year.

Please point to where Blatham said the word "extra" in regards to his donation to the ACLU.

I inferred that was implied by what Blatham did say.

And even if Blatham does promise to donate an "extra" $100, aren't you the one who was doubting his trustworthiness a few posts back?

Yes, I was that person! Subsequently, I decided to trust that Blatham would donate an extra $100 to the ACLU, if he lost his bet.
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Sorry, but this still is not a bet. Not the way you're setting it up.

One more time: I think my bet is a bet, regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it.

Why don't you cut the BS, send the check to an agreed on third party to hold, and get this over with?

Why don't you cut your BS and bet too?

Simply state whether or not you predict my prediction will turn out to be true, and then state to which one of your favorite charities you will donate, if your prediction turns out to be untrue.

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ican711nm wrote:

You know it because I said so!

Sorry, that's not good enough. You admitted you already donate to the Salvation Army, how are we to know how much you planned to donate this year? Or how often?

The only thing that counts is to turn the money over to the other person, and the best way to do that is to select a third person to hold the checks.

kelticwizard wrote:

Why don't you cut the BS, send the check to an agreed on third party to hold, and get this over with?

ican711nm wrote:

Why don't you cut your BS and bet too?

Love to!!

And when I say bet, I mean BET. None of this agree to send to charity stuff. Let's agree to a third party to send the checks to, and do it. How about Timber? I trust him. How do you feel about him?

Here is the bet. After the election of November 2006, in 2007 the Speaker of the House will be a Democrat. How's that?

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About that bet...

Does "majority of the seats in congress" mean both the house AND senate,or just the house OR senate?

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Try to keep up, mysteryman.

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gustavratzenhofer wrote:

Try to keep up, mysteryman.

Sorry,my computer was down for a few days.

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kelticwizard wrote:

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And when I say bet, I mean BET. None of this agree to send to charity stuff. Let's agree to a third party to send the checks to, and do it. How about Timber? I trust him. How do you feel about him?

Here is the bet. After the election of November 2006, in 2007 the Speaker of the House will be a Democrat. How's that?

I admire your persistence.

I admire mine too!

Take my bet or leave it!

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