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Nuke Iran

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 07:16 am
Americanadian wrote:

Yes, it may be true that more died (or could have died) due to conventional bombing...


There are some of us who likely wouldn't be here if that course had been taken.
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blueflame1
 
  1  
Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 05:00 pm
Balance of policies shifting in favor of Iran

By Parviz Esmaeili
Current developments foreshadow a shift in the balance of policies in favor of Iran in regard to its nuclear dossier.

The latest Iranian diplomatic initiative, which includes intensive talks with Russia and China, influential members of the Group of Eight (G8), and the European Union, was actually implemented after UN Security Council Resolution 1696 was issued.

Moreover, its intended objective was determined during the rigorous and resolute talks between Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) Secretary Ali Larijani and EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana over the past few days. Following are some observations about the present and future status of the nuclear negotiations:

(1) Steering international developments toward a "point of crisis" has been the main objective of the U.S. administration in recent years, although Iran has always tried to prevent such a turn of events in its dealings over its controversial nuclear dossier.

Iran's insistence on holding nuclear talks, its voluntary confidence-building measures, and its three-year suspension of all uranium enrichment activities indicate that Iran is determined to maintain international peace and stability.

Also, during the recent negotiations (held very close to the ?'point of crisis'), Iran once again mentioned the importance of observing international regulations rather than using the Security Council as a tool against countries and emphasized the importance of talks and mutual understanding as opposed to the creation of artificial crises.

(2) Iran has proven that it accepts the obligations of a diplomatic atmosphere, an atmosphere that requires flexibility and logic.

However, efforts to try to determine an absolute loser or winner (which is appropriate for a battlefield and not diplomacy) before entering negotiations indicate that diplomacy has been abandoned and clashes could soon ensue.

This is the atmosphere that the U.S. has always sought and whose ultimate result has been failure for the world and victory for U.S. officials alone. This is exactly what has occurred in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon.

(3) U.S. officials have repeatedly stated that their main objective is isolating the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Yet, this strategy has definitely failed, and most of the world's astute political analysts acknowledge this. This is because the U.S. policies have actually led to the increase of Iran's regional power, the elevation of Iran's status in geo-strategic rivalries, the alteration of the previous regional structures, a modification of the alliances that restricted Iran's power, and the appearance of a tendency toward Iran in regional public opinion.

All this has automatically affected the political tendencies and behavior of countries.

The national elections in Palestine and Iraq as well as Hezbollah's increasing popularity in Lebanon (as an Islamic resistance force, not a Shia armed militia) are cogent examples of this.

(4) Just like all other nuclear activities, Iran conducts uranium enrichment activities under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Thus, the baseless U.S. allegations that Iran's nuclear activities have raised global concerns over the possibility of the production of nuclear weapons are just demagoguery meant to influence public opinion.

Even if the recent accusations were true, the suspension of nuclear activities would not be the solution.

Suspending a potential technological capability meant to produce nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is in no way comparable to halting an aspiration to produce nuclear weapons, and the world knows this from experience.

The nature of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and the IAEA Statute as well as the civilized attitude toward nuclear energy are all meant to strengthen the will to make optimal use of nuclear energy, rather than arbitrarily distributing the tools to produce nuclear weapons, i.e. what the U.S. is currently doing.

(5) The inalienable rights of the Iranian nation are not limited to its nuclear rights. That is to say, a great number of Iran's rights have been unjustly violated throughout the years.

Consequently, it is wise to put the pursuit of certain rights on the back burner in order to focus on the pursuit of other rights and strike a logical balance for the country to optimally make use of its international rights and privileges.

Managing time and regulating the speed in realizing objectives and positive and constructive interaction with the international community and international organizations are the main prerequisites for Iran's progress.

(6) Nevertheless, bilateral negotiations between Larijani and Solana that are scheduled to be held next week will determine the level and timetable of the main negotiations. The following six political blocs may be influential in determining the final outcome:

A. The U.S. and Britain, which even refuse to accept Iran's involvement in scientific and laboratory research on nuclear technology and support sanctions and threats to force Tehran to relinquish this right.

B. China and Russia, which are worried about the possibility of the global balance of power being disturbed but are not opposed to Iran's involvement in nuclear activities meant for peaceful purposes.

Since the IAEA has not reported any violations of regulations in Iran's nuclear activities, China and Russia are both opposed to the use of threats and sanctions and believe it would be a drastic action.

C. France and Germany, which are indecisive and can not choose between their two sweethearts!

That is to say, they can neither afford to distance themselves from the United States and Britain nor overlook the benefits of cooperation with Iran. They vacillate between support of and opposition to Iran's involvement in civilian nuclear activities.

D. Some influential countries of the G8 such as Japan, which has no role in the nuclear negotiations but would be obliged to pay the highest penalty without receiving any benefit since it is the leading trade partner of Iran and the region.

Japan is actually not opposed to Iran's peaceful nuclear activities but would prefer to reach a consensus in the shortest possible time with any result.

E. The influential countries of the European Union such as Spain and Italy, which disagree with the decision of Britain, Germany, and France to follow U.S. policies. This could make them the new leaders of the EU.

These countries support Iran's involvement in nuclear activities meant for peaceful purposes under the supervision of the IAEA and within the framework of the agency's regulations.

F. The 116 members of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM), which defend Iran's inalienable nuclear rights at the UN General Assembly, the IAEA, and IAEA Board of Governors meetings since they believe Iran's access to nuclear fuel technology can pave the way for them to acquire this expertise in the future.

Even without taking economic factors such as energy into consideration, it seems that Iran's diplomatic measures in recent years have isolated the first group, while the other five groups apparently have a greater capacity to reach a consensus.

However, we should wait to see how Iran's nuclear dossier turns out in this volatile world.
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 12:27 am
You're spot on - thanks for the article.

As usual, the US and Israel (Zionists/Mossad) are pushing for WWIII. It's been their game plan since well before Sept. 11.

What about Israel's nuclear proliferation? They terrorize anyone- and with US funds and military weapons.

You'd think the dense Americans would wonder why Israel gets billions of dollars each year -more than any other nation, and they only have 4 million people. Americans could sure use that money for things like medical care, which sucks in the states, social security, social safety nets, and raising the minimum wage to a living wage.

The Zionists sure have the media by the balls in America. Since they own the media, the truth will have to be found other than with mainstream news. Of course, this is seen as unpatriotic and un American. Since when has it become un-American to question the government?

I think the IAEA should investigate Israel.

Drop Bush, not bombs.......
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echi
 
  1  
Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 12:02 pm
pachelbel wrote:

As usual, the US and Israel (Zionists/Mossad) are pushing for WWIII. It's been their game plan since well before Sept. 11.

Quote:
The Zionists sure have the media by the balls in America.


The neocons have had plenty of time for careful, thoughtful consideration. Instead of investing in diplomacy (another "bad" word, these days) they just grow a great big war-boner.
I don't know if the media really are controlled by Zionists (or to what extent), but it is true that most Americans would never dare question Israel's legitimacy, for fear of being labelled antisemitic.

One more thing... If I were the president of Iran, and GW announced that my country was part of an "axis of evil", you're damn right I would start building a nuclear arsenal.
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pachelbel
 
  1  
Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 11:00 pm
echi wrote:
pachelbel wrote:

As usual, the US and Israel (Zionists/Mossad) are pushing for WWIII. It's been their game plan since well before Sept. 11.

Quote:
The Zionists sure have the media by the balls in America.


The neocons have had plenty of time for careful, thoughtful consideration. Instead of investing in diplomacy (another "bad" word, these days) they just grow a great big war-boner.
I don't know if the media really are controlled by Zionists (or to what extent), but it is true that most Americans would never dare question Israel's legitimacy, for fear of being labelled antisemitic.

One more thing... If I were the president of Iran, and GW announced that my country was part of an "axis of evil", you're damn right I would start building a nuclear arsenal.



Exactly. Iran is threatened by Israel who have WMD's up the ying-yang-supplied by the US, of course. Israel has not signed a NPT and somehow they are exempt. I see the media/politicians in the US as having a big hand in this. The US and Israel are into world domination at any cost.

Israel is playing a dangerous game by trying to disarm every country around them. China, Russia and Venezeula won't be bullied and they don't give a **** about the Jews. Bush has got his tit in a wringer.

Anti-Semitic might be taking on ominous meaning again if they keep this up. They're about as popular as the Americans.

Semitic means Arab as well. But the Jews/Zionists won't tell you that.

All you have to know is Mossad's motto to realize what Israel/Zionists are up to, and they are succeeding because of US ignorance.
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pachelbel
 
  1  
Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 11:28 pm
The Way of Deception? by Robert I Friedman

["By way of deception shall you Conquer." -- Mossad's motto

Victor Ostrovsky was a career Mossad agent. He left Israel's
secret police agency and returned to his native Canada, where he
wrote his best-selling book _By Way of Deception_. He is the
only Mossad agent to leave the agency, discuss its covert
activities, and survive for more than one year.

"Mossad" means "by way of deception" in Hebrew. - C.M.]


[From _The Village Voice_, April 6, 1993]

BY WAY OF DECEPTION?

By Robert I. Friedman


Renegade Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky told the Voice that Israeli
intelligence may have been behind the World Trade Center bombing. Mossad
had motive and opportunity, says Ostrovsky, whose book about his spy days
caused a furor in Israel as it climbed the best-seller charts in Europe and
America. Ostrovsky admits he doesn't have "a shred of evidence" to support
his theory, which in my view is extremely dubious.

But consider: Prime Minister Yizthak Rabin summarily expels to a snow-
covered mountain in Lebanon some 400 Palestinians suspected of aiding and
abetting Hamas, a fundamentalist group in the occupied territories that
killed six Israeli soldiers in November. The expulsion was "a big PR
mistake," says Ostrovsky, noting that the international media and most
foreign governments severely criticized Israel.

Meanwhile, the intifada had taken a new deadly turn. Spurred by the
expulsion, Palestinian fundamentalists killed 12 Israelis this month, the
highest single-month casualty figure since December 1987, when the intifada
started. Desperate to crack down on the Palestinians in the territories,
and draw media attention away from 400 freezing Palestinian deportees,
Rabin needed a plan to discredit Muslims in general and Palestinians in
particular so that Israel would emerge in the media as a hero.

Mossad, says Ostrovsky, then concocted a devious scheme. First Israeli
intelligence leaks to Judy Miller of The New York Times that Hamas is
headquartered in Fairfax, Virginia, and is sending instructions to the
territories via fax and courier. The Times publishes the account on the
front page, using as a news hook the fact that Israel had just arrested
three Arab Americans from Chicago who were in the territories organizing
Hamas terror cells. Following the Times story, the ADL and other Jewish
institutions start carping about Palestinian Islamic terror cells operating
in America.

Having prepared public opinion and having already infiltrated the radical
mosques in New Jersey and Brooklyn where Abdel Rahman preached and
disciples like El Sayyid Nosair prayed, Mossad, says Ostrovsky, almost
certainly recruited a close associate of the rabble-rousing Egyptian blind
man. The insider is recruited In what Ostrovsky calls a "false flag
operation." The Arab "thinks he is being recruited by an Iranian agent or a
Libyan," says Ostrovsky. He never suspects he is actually being "run" by
Mossad.

The Mossad "handler" then masterminds the world Trade Center bombing. But
the bomb, says Ostrovsky, is never meant to detonate. Mossad is supposed
to call the CIA in the nick of time, becoming instant heroes. "I can just
see the experts sitting on television saying the tower would not sustain
the brunt of this one-ton truck bomb." The bomb may have exploded
prematurely, Ostrovsky explains.

Ostrovsky points out correctly that in the past the Mossad has effectively
used this modus operandi. In the early 1950s, Mossad recruited agents to
bomb American buildings in Cairo, hoping to drive a wedge between the U.S.
and Gamel Abdul Nasser. When the facts became known in Israel, the scandal
brought down the government. According to Ostrovsky, in 1984 Mossad
detonated bombs outside of the U.S. embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia's
capital city, claiming credit in the name of an unknown radical Saudi
resistance group. Ostrovsky, a member of Mossad at the time, says the
purpose was to weaken U.S./Saudi relations by showing' the U.S. that the
regime was fragile and about to fall.

But none of this explains why Mossad would put tens of thousands of
Americans -- presumably many of them Jews -- at risk. *

- R.I.F.

*Mossad would not hesitate to put a few thousand Jews at risk as their goal is to make the Arabs look like the big bogeymen. With the Sept. 11 attacks, they achieved their goal. They have twisted facts in the media --such as reports that tie Iraq with 9/11, which is insupportable.

The pilots on those planes were 99% Saudi Arabian and likely recruited by Mossad. Why is that so hard to believe? The Zionist/Mossad wet dream is to subdue Arab states anyway they can. The US is helping Israel financially and militarily, idiots that they are.
As for Americans, they are dispensable in the view of Mossad.

BY WAY OF DECEPTION YOU SHALL CONQUER. (MOSSAD MOTTO)

They're very, very good at it.

Now Israel wants to get Iran for the same dubious reason the US went after Iraq (because Israel wanted it). Nice that Israel is letting the dumbass Americans die for them, while they are safe. Why aren't their asses in Iraq? They start the damn wars then hide behind women's skirts. Sissies and whiners, the whole lot of them.

Israel may get more than it bargained for if they pick on China and Russia.

Wake up America.
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pachelbel
 
  1  
Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 11:28 pm
The Way of Deception? by Robert I Friedman

["By way of deception shall you Conquer." -- Mossad's motto

Victor Ostrovsky was a career Mossad agent. He left Israel's
secret police agency and returned to his native Canada, where he
wrote his best-selling book _By Way of Deception_. He is the
only Mossad agent to leave the agency, discuss its covert
activities, and survive for more than one year.

"Mossad" means "by way of deception" in Hebrew. - C.M.]


[From _The Village Voice_, April 6, 1993]

BY WAY OF DECEPTION?

By Robert I. Friedman


Renegade Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky told the Voice that Israeli
intelligence may have been behind the World Trade Center bombing. Mossad
had motive and opportunity, says Ostrovsky, whose book about his spy days
caused a furor in Israel as it climbed the best-seller charts in Europe and
America. Ostrovsky admits he doesn't have "a shred of evidence" to support
his theory, which in my view is extremely dubious.

But consider: Prime Minister Yizthak Rabin summarily expels to a snow-
covered mountain in Lebanon some 400 Palestinians suspected of aiding and
abetting Hamas, a fundamentalist group in the occupied territories that
killed six Israeli soldiers in November. The expulsion was "a big PR
mistake," says Ostrovsky, noting that the international media and most
foreign governments severely criticized Israel.

Meanwhile, the intifada had taken a new deadly turn. Spurred by the
expulsion, Palestinian fundamentalists killed 12 Israelis this month, the
highest single-month casualty figure since December 1987, when the intifada
started. Desperate to crack down on the Palestinians in the territories,
and draw media attention away from 400 freezing Palestinian deportees,
Rabin needed a plan to discredit Muslims in general and Palestinians in
particular so that Israel would emerge in the media as a hero.

Mossad, says Ostrovsky, then concocted a devious scheme. First Israeli
intelligence leaks to Judy Miller of The New York Times that Hamas is
headquartered in Fairfax, Virginia, and is sending instructions to the
territories via fax and courier. The Times publishes the account on the
front page, using as a news hook the fact that Israel had just arrested
three Arab Americans from Chicago who were in the territories organizing
Hamas terror cells. Following the Times story, the ADL and other Jewish
institutions start carping about Palestinian Islamic terror cells operating
in America.

Having prepared public opinion and having already infiltrated the radical
mosques in New Jersey and Brooklyn where Abdel Rahman preached and
disciples like El Sayyid Nosair prayed, Mossad, says Ostrovsky, almost
certainly recruited a close associate of the rabble-rousing Egyptian blind
man. The insider is recruited In what Ostrovsky calls a "false flag
operation." The Arab "thinks he is being recruited by an Iranian agent or a
Libyan," says Ostrovsky. He never suspects he is actually being "run" by
Mossad.

The Mossad "handler" then masterminds the world Trade Center bombing. But
the bomb, says Ostrovsky, is never meant to detonate. Mossad is supposed
to call the CIA in the nick of time, becoming instant heroes. "I can just
see the experts sitting on television saying the tower would not sustain
the brunt of this one-ton truck bomb." The bomb may have exploded
prematurely, Ostrovsky explains.

Ostrovsky points out correctly that in the past the Mossad has effectively
used this modus operandi. In the early 1950s, Mossad recruited agents to
bomb American buildings in Cairo, hoping to drive a wedge between the U.S.
and Gamel Abdul Nasser. When the facts became known in Israel, the scandal
brought down the government. According to Ostrovsky, in 1984 Mossad
detonated bombs outside of the U.S. embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia's
capital city, claiming credit in the name of an unknown radical Saudi
resistance group. Ostrovsky, a member of Mossad at the time, says the
purpose was to weaken U.S./Saudi relations by showing' the U.S. that the
regime was fragile and about to fall.

But none of this explains why Mossad would put tens of thousands of
Americans -- presumably many of them Jews -- at risk. *

- R.I.F.

*Mossad would not hesitate to put a few thousand Jews at risk as their goal is to make the Arabs look like the big bogeymen. With the Sept. 11 attacks, they achieved their goal. They have twisted facts in the media --such as reports that tie Iraq with 9/11, which is insupportable.

The pilots on those planes were 99% Saudi Arabian and likely recruited by Mossad. Why is that so hard to believe? The Zionist/Mossad wet dream is to subdue Arab states anyway they can. The US is helping Israel financially and militarily, idiots that they are.
As for Americans, they are dispensable in the view of Mossad.

BY WAY OF DECEPTION YOU SHALL CONQUER. (MOSSAD MOTTO)

They're very, very good at it.

Now Israel wants to get Iran for the same dubious reason the US went after Iraq (because Israel wanted it). Nice that Israel is letting the dumbass Americans die for them, while they are safe. Why aren't their asses in Iraq? They start the damn wars then hide behind women's skirts. Sissies and whiners, the whole lot of them.

Israel may get more than it bargained for if they pick on China and Russia.

Wake up America. Israel is not your friend.
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MarionT
 
  1  
Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 11:34 pm
Thanks for the great articles, Pachelbel. Most of the wimps on these threads who call themselves liberals don't have the courage to face the truth as you clearly do!
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 12:08 am
MarionT wrote:
Thanks for the great articles, Pachelbel. Most of the wimps on these threads who call themselves liberals don't have the courage to face the truth as you clearly do!


Rolling Eyes
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pachelbel
 
  1  
Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 07:39 pm
oralloy wrote:
MarionT wrote:
Thanks for the great articles, Pachelbel. Most of the wimps on these threads who call themselves liberals don't have the courage to face the truth as you clearly do!


Rolling Eyes


Would this be one of the 'wimps' Marion T? Laughing

Great answer from ollaroy; one I've come to expect.

"By way of deception shall you conquer. " (Israel/Mossad)
That fact too much for your brain cells orraloy?
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 09:47 pm
pachelbel wrote:
oralloy wrote:
MarionT wrote:
Thanks for the great articles, Pachelbel. Most of the wimps on these threads who call themselves liberals don't have the courage to face the truth as you clearly do!


Rolling Eyes


Would this be one of the 'wimps' Marion T? Laughing

Great answer from ollaroy; one I've come to expect.

"By way of deception shall you conquer. " (Israel/Mossad)
That fact too much for your brain cells orraloy?


Here's one for you too:

Rolling Eyes
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MarionT
 
  1  
Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 10:36 pm
Is that an answer? Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent, says that Israel and the USA may well have planned 9/11.
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pachelbel
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:17 pm
That's the best he can do. Ignorant Electronic American (EA) that he is.

He has not heard of Mossad and cannot admit his ignorance or the real possibility that Israel/US were involved in events that led to the infamous (for America) sept. 11.

EA's, as I said, are generally recognized by their propensity to recite ad nauseum every absurdity being spun by the corporate-led media currently embedded in the White House.

Poor dumbFuc*s.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 04:15 am
pachelbel wrote:
He has not heard of Mossad and cannot admit his ignorance


Liar.

Rolling Eyes
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echi
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:06 pm
Any you A-bomb defenders ever consider what might have happened if the US had dropped one off the Japanese coast? Einstein thought it was a pretty good idea. I'd say he had a bit more vested interest than you guys.
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mrcool011
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Sep, 2006 01:24 am
Its sad but true that the only solution to Iran getting a nuke will be through military action.

The president of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in a shia cult. He and alot of Iranians in power believe in the 12th Imam. He believes he can cause the apocalypse to come sooner by starting a major war in which the 12th Imam will rise up and lead Islam to glory. The only way he can accomplish his goal which he views as his duty to Islam is with a nuclear weapon. His army is not strong enought to do this. He's a true danger if he gets a Nuke, because he does not want to use it as protection but use it in a war.

"Last month Ahmadinejad said publicly that the main mission of the Islamic Revolution is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/14/ixworld.html
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pachelbel
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Sep, 2006 01:35 am
Oh - gee, all this time I thought it was Bush and his Christian fundamentalist freaks who were pushing for an Apocalypse so they could be taken up in the rapture. Have you checked the raptureready.com index today? Cool

Iran has done everything possible to avoid nuclear war. It's Israel who HAS NOT SIGNED THE NPT. KNOW WHAT THAT IS?

If you're worried about nukes, check out Israel. They've got hundreds of WMD's and they're a bunch of crazy terrorists.

Iran is a democratically elected, sophisticated republic and major oil exporter. If the US picks on them, they will wish they had not.

You'll also be looking at a draft in the US. You ready to sacrifice your kid for dope and oil?

America is after the poppies in Afganistan and the oil in Iran/Iraq. Anything else you hear is bullsh** spun by your corporate owned media.

Did you expect the truth?
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mrcool011
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Sep, 2006 01:50 am
pachelbel wrote:
Oh - gee, all this time I thought it was Bush and his Christian fundamentalist freaks who were pushing for an Apocalypse so they could be taken up in the rapture. Have you checked the raptureready.com index today? Cool

Iran has done everything possible to avoid nuclear war. It's Israel who HAS NOT SIGNED THE NPT. KNOW WHAT THAT IS?

If you're worried about nukes, check out Israel. They've got hundreds of WMD's and they're a bunch of crazy terrorists.

Iran is a democratically elected, sophisticated republic and major oil exporter. If the US picks on them, they will wish they had not.

You'll also be looking at a draft in the US. You ready to sacrifice your kid for dope and oil?

America is after the poppies in Afganistan and the oil in Iran/Iraq. Anything else you hear is bullsh** spun by your corporate owned media.

Did you expect the truth?


hahahaha wow. First of all Bush is not a christian, he just uses it for political reasons, thus he does not believe in the apoclypse. Add on top of that Irans president DOES and believe he can influence it, is scary news for the world. To call Iran a sophisticated republic shows you're lack of knowledge about Iran, its far from sophisticated. And the fact of it exporting oil is immaterial to this whole debate.

I have no kids, but im willing to sacrifice myself for a war with Iran, to stop a man who believes it is his religios duty to start the biggest war the world has seen so the 12th Imam will come out of the well..

I dont know about you but a man like that with a nuke is dangerous.
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echi
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Sep, 2006 11:05 am
mrcool011 wrote:
[...] First of all Bush is not a christian, he just uses it for political reasons, thus he does not believe in the apoclypse. Add on top of that Irans president DOES and believe he can influence it, is scary news for the world. [...]


Do you have any other source besides that "Telegraph" article? It's an interensting article, but it really does sound a lot like the conspiracy theories surrounding Bush.

And, what convinces you that Bush is not a Christian? It might not top his priorities, but I am sure that he believes he is a Christian. He was raised with it, and there's no indication that he ever rejected his faith.
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pachelbel
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Sep, 2006 02:08 pm
Bush has conversations with "God" everyday. He thinks God talks to him, too. Rolling Eyes He certainly does consider himself Christian. He reads his Bible everyday. Then convulutes the meaning to rationalize his demonic decisions.

You call this man sane? And he's got many nukes.

The Iranian president is an eloquent, excellent speaker, upfront and intelligent. Things Bushie is NOT.

As for your 12th Imam BS, why didn't Bushie go after Iran before they hit Iraq if the 12th Imam is such a menace? America always did like to make up bogeymen; it helps to sell arms and America is THE biggest arms dealer in the world. Go figure.
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