Nuke Iran

There are some of us who likely wouldn't be here if that course had been taken.

You're spot on - thanks for the article.

As usual, the US and Israel (Zionists/Mossad) are pushing for WWIII. It's been their game plan since well before Sept. 11.

What about Israel's nuclear proliferation? They terrorize anyone- and with US funds and military weapons.

You'd think the dense Americans would wonder why Israel gets billions of dollars each year -more than any other nation, and they only have 4 million people. Americans could sure use that money for things like medical care, which sucks in the states, social security, social safety nets, and raising the minimum wage to a living wage.

The Zionists sure have the media by the balls in America. Since they own the media, the truth will have to be found other than with mainstream news. Of course, this is seen as unpatriotic and un American. Since when has it become un-American to question the government?

I think the IAEA should investigate Israel.

Drop Bush, not bombs.......

The neocons have had plenty of time for careful, thoughtful consideration. Instead of investing in diplomacy (another "bad" word, these days) they just grow a great big war-boner.
I don't know if the media really are controlled by Zionists (or to what extent), but it is true that most Americans would never dare question Israel's legitimacy, for fear of being labelled antisemitic.

One more thing... If I were the president of Iran, and GW announced that my country was part of an "axis of evil", you're damn right I would start building a nuclear arsenal.

Exactly. Iran is threatened by Israel who have WMD's up the ying-yang-supplied by the US, of course. Israel has not signed a NPT and somehow they are exempt. I see the media/politicians in the US as having a big hand in this. The US and Israel are into world domination at any cost.

Israel is playing a dangerous game by trying to disarm every country around them. China, Russia and Venezeula won't be bullied and they don't give a **** about the Jews. Bush has got his tit in a wringer.

Anti-Semitic might be taking on ominous meaning again if they keep this up. They're about as popular as the Americans.

Semitic means Arab as well. But the Jews/Zionists won't tell you that.

All you have to know is Mossad's motto to realize what Israel/Zionists are up to, and they are succeeding because of US ignorance.

The Way of Deception? by Robert I Friedman

["By way of deception shall you Conquer." -- Mossad's motto

Victor Ostrovsky was a career Mossad agent. He left Israel's
secret police agency and returned to his native Canada, where he
wrote his best-selling book _By Way of Deception_. He is the
only Mossad agent to leave the agency, discuss its covert
activities, and survive for more than one year.

"Mossad" means "by way of deception" in Hebrew. - C.M.]


[From _The Village Voice_, April 6, 1993]

BY WAY OF DECEPTION?

By Robert I. Friedman


Renegade Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky told the Voice that Israeli
intelligence may have been behind the World Trade Center bombing. Mossad
had motive and opportunity, says Ostrovsky, whose book about his spy days
caused a furor in Israel as it climbed the best-seller charts in Europe and
America. Ostrovsky admits he doesn't have "a shred of evidence" to support
his theory, which in my view is extremely dubious.

But consider: Prime Minister Yizthak Rabin summarily expels to a snow-
covered mountain in Lebanon some 400 Palestinians suspected of aiding and
abetting Hamas, a fundamentalist group in the occupied territories that
killed six Israeli soldiers in November. The expulsion was "a big PR
mistake," says Ostrovsky, noting that the international media and most
foreign governments severely criticized Israel.

Meanwhile, the intifada had taken a new deadly turn. Spurred by the
expulsion, Palestinian fundamentalists killed 12 Israelis this month, the
highest single-month casualty figure since December 1987, when the intifada
started. Desperate to crack down on the Palestinians in the territories,
and draw media attention away from 400 freezing Palestinian deportees,
Rabin needed a plan to discredit Muslims in general and Palestinians in
particular so that Israel would emerge in the media as a hero.

Mossad, says Ostrovsky, then concocted a devious scheme. First Israeli
intelligence leaks to Judy Miller of The New York Times that Hamas is
headquartered in Fairfax, Virginia, and is sending instructions to the
territories via fax and courier. The Times publishes the account on the
front page, using as a news hook the fact that Israel had just arrested
three Arab Americans from Chicago who were in the territories organizing
Hamas terror cells. Following the Times story, the ADL and other Jewish
institutions start carping about Palestinian Islamic terror cells operating
in America.

Having prepared public opinion and having already infiltrated the radical
mosques in New Jersey and Brooklyn where Abdel Rahman preached and
disciples like El Sayyid Nosair prayed, Mossad, says Ostrovsky, almost
certainly recruited a close associate of the rabble-rousing Egyptian blind
man. The insider is recruited In what Ostrovsky calls a "false flag
operation." The Arab "thinks he is being recruited by an Iranian agent or a
Libyan," says Ostrovsky. He never suspects he is actually being "run" by
Mossad.

The Mossad "handler" then masterminds the world Trade Center bombing. But
the bomb, says Ostrovsky, is never meant to detonate. Mossad is supposed
to call the CIA in the nick of time, becoming instant heroes. "I can just
see the experts sitting on television saying the tower would not sustain
the brunt of this one-ton truck bomb." The bomb may have exploded
prematurely, Ostrovsky explains.

Ostrovsky points out correctly that in the past the Mossad has effectively
used this modus operandi. In the early 1950s, Mossad recruited agents to
bomb American buildings in Cairo, hoping to drive a wedge between the U.S.
and Gamel Abdul Nasser. When the facts became known in Israel, the scandal
brought down the government. According to Ostrovsky, in 1984 Mossad
detonated bombs outside of the U.S. embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia's
capital city, claiming credit in the name of an unknown radical Saudi
resistance group. Ostrovsky, a member of Mossad at the time, says the
purpose was to weaken U.S./Saudi relations by showing' the U.S. that the
regime was fragile and about to fall.

But none of this explains why Mossad would put tens of thousands of
Americans -- presumably many of them Jews -- at risk. *

- R.I.F.

*Mossad would not hesitate to put a few thousand Jews at risk as their goal is to make the Arabs look like the big bogeymen. With the Sept. 11 attacks, they achieved their goal. They have twisted facts in the media --such as reports that tie Iraq with 9/11, which is insupportable.

The pilots on those planes were 99% Saudi Arabian and likely recruited by Mossad. Why is that so hard to believe? The Zionist/Mossad wet dream is to subdue Arab states anyway they can. The US is helping Israel financially and militarily, idiots that they are.
As for Americans, they are dispensable in the view of Mossad.

BY WAY OF DECEPTION YOU SHALL CONQUER. (MOSSAD MOTTO)

They're very, very good at it.

Now Israel wants to get Iran for the same dubious reason the US went after Iraq (because Israel wanted it). Nice that Israel is letting the dumbass Americans die for them, while they are safe. Why aren't their asses in Iraq? They start the damn wars then hide behind women's skirts. Sissies and whiners, the whole lot of them.

Israel may get more than it bargained for if they pick on China and Russia.

Wake up America.

The Way of Deception? by Robert I Friedman

["By way of deception shall you Conquer." -- Mossad's motto

Victor Ostrovsky was a career Mossad agent. He left Israel's
secret police agency and returned to his native Canada, where he
wrote his best-selling book _By Way of Deception_. He is the
only Mossad agent to leave the agency, discuss its covert
activities, and survive for more than one year.

"Mossad" means "by way of deception" in Hebrew. - C.M.]


[From _The Village Voice_, April 6, 1993]

BY WAY OF DECEPTION?

By Robert I. Friedman


Renegade Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky told the Voice that Israeli
intelligence may have been behind the World Trade Center bombing. Mossad
had motive and opportunity, says Ostrovsky, whose book about his spy days
caused a furor in Israel as it climbed the best-seller charts in Europe and
America. Ostrovsky admits he doesn't have "a shred of evidence" to support
his theory, which in my view is extremely dubious.

But consider: Prime Minister Yizthak Rabin summarily expels to a snow-
covered mountain in Lebanon some 400 Palestinians suspected of aiding and
abetting Hamas, a fundamentalist group in the occupied territories that
killed six Israeli soldiers in November. The expulsion was "a big PR
mistake," says Ostrovsky, noting that the international media and most
foreign governments severely criticized Israel.

Meanwhile, the intifada had taken a new deadly turn. Spurred by the
expulsion, Palestinian fundamentalists killed 12 Israelis this month, the
highest single-month casualty figure since December 1987, when the intifada
started. Desperate to crack down on the Palestinians in the territories,
and draw media attention away from 400 freezing Palestinian deportees,
Rabin needed a plan to discredit Muslims in general and Palestinians in
particular so that Israel would emerge in the media as a hero.

Mossad, says Ostrovsky, then concocted a devious scheme. First Israeli
intelligence leaks to Judy Miller of The New York Times that Hamas is
headquartered in Fairfax, Virginia, and is sending instructions to the
territories via fax and courier. The Times publishes the account on the
front page, using as a news hook the fact that Israel had just arrested
three Arab Americans from Chicago who were in the territories organizing
Hamas terror cells. Following the Times story, the ADL and other Jewish
institutions start carping about Palestinian Islamic terror cells operating
in America.

Having prepared public opinion and having already infiltrated the radical
mosques in New Jersey and Brooklyn where Abdel Rahman preached and
disciples like El Sayyid Nosair prayed, Mossad, says Ostrovsky, almost
certainly recruited a close associate of the rabble-rousing Egyptian blind
man. The insider is recruited In what Ostrovsky calls a "false flag
operation." The Arab "thinks he is being recruited by an Iranian agent or a
Libyan," says Ostrovsky. He never suspects he is actually being "run" by
Mossad.

The Mossad "handler" then masterminds the world Trade Center bombing. But
the bomb, says Ostrovsky, is never meant to detonate. Mossad is supposed
to call the CIA in the nick of time, becoming instant heroes. "I can just
see the experts sitting on television saying the tower would not sustain
the brunt of this one-ton truck bomb." The bomb may have exploded
prematurely, Ostrovsky explains.

Ostrovsky points out correctly that in the past the Mossad has effectively
used this modus operandi. In the early 1950s, Mossad recruited agents to
bomb American buildings in Cairo, hoping to drive a wedge between the U.S.
and Gamel Abdul Nasser. When the facts became known in Israel, the scandal
brought down the government. According to Ostrovsky, in 1984 Mossad
detonated bombs outside of the U.S. embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia's
capital city, claiming credit in the name of an unknown radical Saudi
resistance group. Ostrovsky, a member of Mossad at the time, says the
purpose was to weaken U.S./Saudi relations by showing' the U.S. that the
regime was fragile and about to fall.

But none of this explains why Mossad would put tens of thousands of
Americans -- presumably many of them Jews -- at risk. *

- R.I.F.

*Mossad would not hesitate to put a few thousand Jews at risk as their goal is to make the Arabs look like the big bogeymen. With the Sept. 11 attacks, they achieved their goal. They have twisted facts in the media --such as reports that tie Iraq with 9/11, which is insupportable.

The pilots on those planes were 99% Saudi Arabian and likely recruited by Mossad. Why is that so hard to believe? The Zionist/Mossad wet dream is to subdue Arab states anyway they can. The US is helping Israel financially and militarily, idiots that they are.
As for Americans, they are dispensable in the view of Mossad.

BY WAY OF DECEPTION YOU SHALL CONQUER. (MOSSAD MOTTO)

They're very, very good at it.

Now Israel wants to get Iran for the same dubious reason the US went after Iraq (because Israel wanted it). Nice that Israel is letting the dumbass Americans die for them, while they are safe. Why aren't their asses in Iraq? They start the damn wars then hide behind women's skirts. Sissies and whiners, the whole lot of them.

Israel may get more than it bargained for if they pick on China and Russia.

Wake up America. Israel is not your friend.

Thanks for the great articles, Pachelbel. Most of the wimps on these threads who call themselves liberals don't have the courage to face the truth as you clearly do!

Would this be one of the 'wimps' Marion T?

Great answer from ollaroy; one I've come to expect.

"By way of deception shall you conquer. " (Israel/Mossad)
That fact too much for your brain cells orraloy?

Here's one for you too:

Is that an answer? Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent, says that Israel and the USA may well have planned 9/11.

That's the best he can do. Ignorant Electronic American (EA) that he is.

He has not heard of Mossad and cannot admit his ignorance or the real possibility that Israel/US were involved in events that led to the infamous (for America) sept. 11.

EA's, as I said, are generally recognized by their propensity to recite ad nauseum every absurdity being spun by the corporate-led media currently embedded in the White House.

Poor dumbFuc*s.

Liar.

Any you A-bomb defenders ever consider what might have happened if the US had dropped one off the Japanese coast? Einstein thought it was a pretty good idea. I'd say he had a bit more vested interest than you guys.

Its sad but true that the only solution to Iran getting a nuke will be through military action.

The president of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in a shia cult. He and alot of Iranians in power believe in the 12th Imam. He believes he can cause the apocalypse to come sooner by starting a major war in which the 12th Imam will rise up and lead Islam to glory. The only way he can accomplish his goal which he views as his duty to Islam is with a nuclear weapon. His army is not strong enought to do this. He's a true danger if he gets a Nuke, because he does not want to use it as protection but use it in a war.

"Last month Ahmadinejad said publicly that the main mission of the Islamic Revolution is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/14/ixworld.html

Oh - gee, all this time I thought it was Bush and his Christian fundamentalist freaks who were pushing for an Apocalypse so they could be taken up in the rapture. Have you checked the raptureready.com index today?

Iran has done everything possible to avoid nuclear war. It's Israel who HAS NOT SIGNED THE NPT. KNOW WHAT THAT IS?

If you're worried about nukes, check out Israel. They've got hundreds of WMD's and they're a bunch of crazy terrorists.

Iran is a democratically elected, sophisticated republic and major oil exporter. If the US picks on them, they will wish they had not.

You'll also be looking at a draft in the US. You ready to sacrifice your kid for dope and oil?

America is after the poppies in Afganistan and the oil in Iran/Iraq. Anything else you hear is bullsh** spun by your corporate owned media.

Did you expect the truth?

hahahaha wow. First of all Bush is not a christian, he just uses it for political reasons, thus he does not believe in the apoclypse. Add on top of that Irans president DOES and believe he can influence it, is scary news for the world. To call Iran a sophisticated republic shows you're lack of knowledge about Iran, its far from sophisticated. And the fact of it exporting oil is immaterial to this whole debate.

I have no kids, but im willing to sacrifice myself for a war with Iran, to stop a man who believes it is his religios duty to start the biggest war the world has seen so the 12th Imam will come out of the well..

I dont know about you but a man like that with a nuke is dangerous.

Do you have any other source besides that "Telegraph" article? It's an interensting article, but it really does sound a lot like the conspiracy theories surrounding Bush.

And, what convinces you that Bush is not a Christian? It might not top his priorities, but I am sure that he believes he is a Christian. He was raised with it, and there's no indication that he ever rejected his faith.

Bush has conversations with "God" everyday. He thinks God talks to him, too. He certainly does consider himself Christian. He reads his Bible everyday. Then convulutes the meaning to rationalize his demonic decisions.

You call this man sane? And he's got many nukes.

The Iranian president is an eloquent, excellent speaker, upfront and intelligent. Things Bushie is NOT.

As for your 12th Imam BS, why didn't Bushie go after Iran before they hit Iraq if the 12th Imam is such a menace? America always did like to make up bogeymen; it helps to sell arms and America is THE biggest arms dealer in the world. Go figure.