Nuke Iran

old europe wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
As are the literally thousands of people that I've met who've relocated here, without one ever leaving for good.

In that case, you and the literally thousands of people suffer from the same superiority complex. Gorby seems to be right.

Gorby? You refer to his wall statement?

What a joke.

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earlier today, old europe wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
Pachy, did you finally get that wifi setup working on your camel?

Mikhail Gorbachev wrote:
The actions of the USA are characterized by a superiority complex. The USA understand maybe just now, in this difficult situation in Iraq without allies, that you cannot rule the world centrally and boss other countries around. The USA need their own Perestroika to overcome its antiquated way of thinking.

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ah, I didn't read back far enough apparently.

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Well, if all these folks are leaving, I wish they'd take a few illegal aliens with them.

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cjhsa wrote:

Are you proud of that Steve?

no i detest the violence

American and British troops should not be put in harms way like this.

And if they had never invaded, or if they did the invasion/reconstruction

properly, they would not be in harms way. I feel desperately sad for all the

waste of life in Iraq and elsewhere.

And angry with the people who sent them, because they are proven idiots.

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I wonder why our troops reenlist, and volunteer to go to Iraq. They must be idiots as well.

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cjhsa wrote:

I wonder why our troops reenlist, and volunteer to go to Iraq. They must be idiots as well.

thats not impossible. or they need the cash. they cant surely be doing for some higher or noble cause, because there is none.

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cjhsa wrote:

I wonder why our troops reenlist, and volunteer to go to Iraq. They must be idiots as well.

They 're-enlist' because they are flat out told by their superiors that they will be stop-lossed if they don't. So their choice is to go back with a nice bonus from Uncle Sam, or go back with nothing. Not a hard choice to make.

Cycloptichorn

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Sure, uh huh.

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You don't believe it?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-01-05-army-troops_x.htm

Stop loss is still going strong.

Our army is in big trouble; recruits are down, the people they take as recruits nowadays seem to have many more problems with convictions, graduating highschool, and white supremacy than the old ones did; and the OCS, according to what I have read, is being decimated as pressure to meet demands for enlisted troops change the tactics used by recruiters.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
I wonder why our troops reenlist, and volunteer to go to Iraq. They must be idiots as well.

They 're-enlist' because they are flat out told by their superiors that they will be stop-lossed if they don't. So their choice is to go back with a nice bonus from Uncle Sam, or go back with nothing. Not a hard choice to make.

Cycloptichorn

I know people who reenlist because its their best life option at the moment. I know people who reenlisted because they do believe in what they do, and believe it is noble. there are, I'm sure, people who reenlist under duress as you describe, but it would be very misleading to say that all, or even most soldiers do so.

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Leftwing newspapers would have you believe that hogwash.

All recruitment goals have been met, and if "white supremicist" means they have a bunch of southern boys who dislike r-ghead terrorists, more power to them.

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snood wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I wonder why our troops reenlist, and volunteer to go to Iraq. They must be idiots as well.

They 're-enlist' because they are flat out told by their superiors that they will be stop-lossed if they don't. So their choice is to go back with a nice bonus from Uncle Sam, or go back with nothing. Not a hard choice to make.

Cycloptichorn

I know people who reenlist because its their best life option at the moment. I know people who reenlisted because they do believe in what they do, and believe it is noble. there are, I'm sure, people who reenlist under duress as you describe, but it would be very misleading to say that all, or even most soldiers do so.

I have no doubt that there are plenty who only want to do the best job possible, in the profession that they have chosen, which is a soldier in the armed forces of the US. I didn't mean to generalize, just to point out that figures such as 're-enlistment ratios' do not neccessarily provide an accurate picture of the climate.

Cycloptichorn

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I know people who reenlist because they are not blithering cowards like Cyclopitchorn who probably applied for conscientious objector status when the Vietnam War was on and is not hiding in the Communist outpost of Berkeley. I am informed that Cyclopitchorn's conscientious objector status was awarded to him because he soiled his trousers whenever he heard a gun shot but he is ready to criticize the brave men and women who serve us in the military. When the North Koreans smuggle a nuclear device into one of the California ports, Cyclopitchorn may not be aware that his conscientious objector status won't help him then.

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Any attempt I've ever seen to characterize with a broad brush military people and their mindset falls short of reality. The truth is they are us, and we are them. There is a spectrum of all kinds of humans in and out of the military. People who try hard to pigeonhole them seem to me to be doing so for the same reason anyone ever thinks in easy stereotypes - just alleviates the necessity to think of their humanity, or to think at all...

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Whoa.

I think Cyclops is a fair debater who rarely, if ever, name calls.

For fairness, Ted Nugent didn't want to go to Vietnam either, and may have crapped his pants to avoid it. That said, people can change.

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Cycloptichorn says to the air,

That the Vietnam war ended years before he was born.

Cycloptichorn

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Gorbachev? He is the idiot who let the USSR get away from him. His credibility is zero.

And I don't know where in Europe Old Europe lives but if he was in the United States, he would be quite well off. My stock porfolio has gone up by 10% this year. But the Europeans were always filled with envy of the United States and like all envious people, will continue to carp and criticize.
Do you have indoor plumbing yet. Old Europe? If you are in Hungary like the mastermind Nimh, who knows all about curing the ills of the USA but nothing about taking care of the Socialist Revolution among the Hungarian Morons, you may have to use an outhouse.

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snood wrote:

Any attempt I've ever seen to characterize with a broad brush military people and their mindset falls short of reality. The truth is they are us, and we are them. There is a spectrum of all kinds of humans in and out of the military. People who try hard to pigeonhole them seem to me to be doing so for the same reason anyone ever thinks in easy stereotypes - just alleviates the necessity to think of their humanity, or to think at all...

I don't disagree with this sentiment. I do believe that the modern military man/woman has a lot of tough choices and decisions to face in the upcoming years.

Cycloptichorn

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Well, hopefully all I'll have to choose is a new career after 3 and a half more years.

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