What causes racial hatred: racists or racial friction?

JosephMorgan, You have a one track mind. Have you ever heard of the Unibomber, Tim McVeigh, and most recently, Eric Robert Rudolph? Maybe not, but they happen to hve caused many terrorist acts against their own. Racially motivated? I think not! c.i.

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Walter: Your reflection on "greater variety of restaurants" doesn't work at all: you find in Iceland as many different restaurants as in many other North European towns with such a population.

I was thinking out loud about the advantages of multi-culturalism.

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I have just read thru parts of this discussion. JM - u are suggesting a very simple solution to a very complex problem....

Problem : Racism Solution : No mixing of the races - WOW pretty elegant I think.

So let's take it a step further

Problem : Teenage Pregnancies Solution : Ban sex till you are 21
Problem : Population growth Solutin : Ban all sex, what the heck !
Problem : Obeseity Solution : Only health food shall be sold in shops
Problem : Illitracy Solution : No education - if everyone is illterate, then there is no problem innit ?
Problem : Pain in the neck Solution : Cut off the god damned neck

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Gautam wrote:

I have just read thru parts of this discussion. JM - u are suggesting a very simple solution to a very complex problem....

Problem : Racism Solution : No mixing of the races - WOW pretty elegant I think.

So let's take it a step further

Problem : Teenage Pregnancies Solution : Ban sex till you are 21
Problem : Population growth Solutin : Ban all sex, what the heck !
Problem : Obeseity Solution : Only health food shall be sold in shops
Problem : Illitracy Solution : No education - if everyone is illterate, then there is no problem innit ?
Problem : Pain in the neck Solution : Cut off the god damned neck

Gautam - EUREKA! LOL!

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Gautam: u are suggesting a very simple solution to a very complex problem....

Problem : Racism Solution : No mixing of the races - WOW pretty elegant I think.

I never once said that there should be "no mixing of races." Show me where I said that.

What I have said is that the cause of racial hatred is racial friction, and that racial friction is created when 2 or more races are trying to share the same territory.

My point has been when you know the cause of something, (especially when you are not mistaking symptoms for the cause), you can make more intelligent decisions.

So, a society must decide when the benefits of multi-culturalism are outweighed by the hate generated by multi-racial environments. In other words, when does a community have to much racial hatred, too much racial diversity.

Israel has too much multi-culturalism and is being eaten alive with racial hatred and cruelty. It would be insane for Israel to consciously increase the amount of racial diversity there. Right?

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Gautam wrote:

Problem : Teenage Pregnancies Solution : Ban sex till you are 21
Problem : Population growth Solutin : Ban all sex, what the heck !
Problem : Obeseity Solution : Only health food shall be sold in shops
Problem : Illitracy Solution : No education - if everyone is illterate, then there is no problem innit ?
Problem : Pain in the neck Solution : Cut off the god damned neck

Gautam, it's refreshing to see someone finally going after the cause instead of the symptom like everyone else. I admire you for your courage!

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JosephMorgan, As stated repeatedly, your original premise is wrong. Your statement; "What I have said is that the cause of racial hatred is racial friction, and that racial friction is created when 2 or more races are trying to share the same territory."
Try this one, "The cause of hatred is ignorance." c.i.

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JosephMorgan wrote:

I never once said that there should be "no mixing of races." Show me where I said that.

JM, in the very first post you wrote

Quote:

-- Promote mono-racial societies, and you are promoting societies that are free of racial hatred.

-- Promote multi-racial societies, and you are promoting racial hatred.

Now, english being not my first language, and a very simple thinking process - what you meant was that the only way to get rid of racism is to get rid of multi racial societies And pls do correct me if I am wrong in my perception and if I am, then I apologize - but every one else out here seems to have drawn the same meaning as me of yr words.

I am an Indian, and I live in London. I come across racism very often, but you know what - the problem is not that I am a different race which is living in this country. The problem is that people are so narrow minded, so unwilling to expand their horizons, so uncomprehending of a different way of life - that they will reject, abuse anything different to what they believe - right or wrong. The problem is with them not with me.

Take my country India for example, we are all of the same race there - there are hardly any foreigners to be seen. But even there are tensions, due to religion, due to skin color, due to geography, due to language - u name it !!

So what is the solution you are proposing. A nation full of single race people following the same religion, eating the same kind of food, speaking the same language, wearing the same kind of clothes, reading the same kind of books - homogeneous to the extreme !! I don't know abt you, but I wud rather live on the Russian space station than in such a country (not that I have anything against the russian space station Smile

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The problem is not racial diversity - the problem is the unwillingness of some people to accept something which is different from them. You take out race from the equation, and the same people will find something else as a cause of their hatred. !!

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Gautam - EXACTLY right. The problem is that the human race is not very pleasant en masse - take away race and there will always be something for someone to be predjudiced about - IQ, hair colour, the way you speak ....

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Gautam

Right on!

Joe seems to think that because he can identify a problem -- his analysis of why the problem exists has to be correct and his solution for the problem has to make sense.

But his analysis is suspect and his solution is simplistic.

Gautam's parody of Joe's reasoning and solution propensities is so right on the mark.

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It seems to me that most people can find a reason to hate, but if they truly loved themselves, these so-called differences would mean nothing.

BTW, Snood, I can still get fat by eating health foods, no problem here Laughing

. Seriously, take away one difference and people will always dig up another.

We must not give into all of this crap. If we would just pick ourselves up from our fears and early conditioning, then none of this would matter at all, because frankly I believe it's some sort of diversion those in power have always used to keep the people from uniting . . . and it's been working really well so far Crying or Very sad

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JosephMorgan wrote:

Craven: Anytime joe...

Does oxygen cause murder? oxygen has been present is the overwhelming majority of the murders that have happened.

I would replace "oxygen" with friction created by diversity. The less friction in a society, the more harmonious that society. Politics, race, religion, and sexual orientation can create friction.

No duh.

The point made was that it's as stupid as claiming oxygen is a problem.

JosephMorgan wrote:

That's why I have used real-life examples to show this.

Your "real life" examples have been repeatedly and soundly refuted. You simply choose to accuse others of cult mentality and declare your garbage truth.

Again, still waiting for you to:

A) tackle the assault on your fallacious logic of "if X exists where A is present, A causes X"

That is some of the most stupid lines of thinking I have heard and I have asked you to defend it many times.

For the sake of entertainment here is more "Joe logic":

Domestic disputes only happen when people exist, therefore a society with no people is needed.

Drugs are taken only by people who are alive, we must kill all people to rid ourselves of drugs...

I can go on forever, and wil, for as long as you ignore the holes in your logic. Why? Because this kind of logic is VERY fun to poke holes in and I get to make up many analogies as stupid as the original theory. :-)

B) Come up with examples that are not shot down, dragged around, skinned and sent to a taxidermist.

Every example you have given has had huge flaws illustrated.

Stop harping on the ones that don't work.

e.g.

Trying to teach me about Brazil is gonna come across as funny.

Trying to teach Monger about Japan will come across as funny......

etc

Anytime Joe..

And please try something harder to pick apart than:

"For example in Isreal"

and

"For example in Iceland.."

That sounds like a broken record and as an argument it started out broken.

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Craven de Kere wrote:

I can go on forever, and wil, for as long as you ignore the holes in your logic. Why? Because this kind of logic is VERY fun to poke holes in and I get to make up many analogies as stupid as the original theory. :-)

And you are doing a great job of it, Craven. I neglected to mention that when I complimented Gautam on his parody.

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Guatam: I am an Indian, and I live in London.

Then you know hyper hatred in India. The conditions of the untouchables is an outrage, the extremes in income, the constant strife.

India is a good case of too much hate, I think.

By saying promote mono-racial societies, I meant if you wanted the ultimate amount of possible harmony. I think most people on this board would sacrifice a little harmony for a certain amount of multi-culturalism.

But India is a role model for racial hatred and multi-culturalism gone to far.

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Me thought your name was Joe, now you are saying it's "India"?

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That's way too subtle, Boss, that one will zip right over his head . . .

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Craven, you don't understand what causes friction in human societies, apparently.

Do you think diversity of political opinion causes friction? Or do you want to deny that with your oxygen idea?

Racial friction creates strife, just as political friction creates strife.

Israel is eaten up with racial hatred and cruelty. If Israel became mono-racial, there would be other forms of friction that would remain, but Israel would be dramatically less filled with hate.

Now, I suppose you will say something about political and racial diversity not causing strife with your oxygen idea. Right?

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JosephMorgan, Only one thing is for certain; you're very persistent in your beliefs. c.i.

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JosephMorgan wrote:

Craven, you don't understand what causes friction in human societies, apparently.

Actually I do. I have thus far been questioning yours.

JosephMorgan wrote:

Do you think diversity of political opinion causes friction? Or do you want to deny that with your oxygen idea?

It's not about "denying it with an oxygen idea".

It's about your logic being flawed on a level that a 7-10 year old could easily understand.

You claim that the presence of two things at the same time is indicative of your claim that one causes the other.

This is fallacious logic of the most simple variety:

More exaples (I told you this was fun, this time I will make them as similar as possible):

Crimes against homosexuals only occur where there are homosexuals. Therefore Homosexuals are the sorce.

Hatred of black people is only present in societies that know of black people. Therefore black people are the source of all the hatred toward them.

Divorce only occurs when it follows a marriage. Therefore marriage is the cause of divorce.

It's not about "denying" your "truth" it's about showing that your conclusions (translation: your "truth") is based on some of the most idiotic logic that exists.

It is just like scientists of old who concluded that flies come from rotten meat.

My examples are purposefully silly, because it aims to show you how far you deviate from sound scientific reasoning.

Your exhibition here is of a logic that has been laughed at for hundreds of years.

And I already told you the "Isreal and Iceland" thing has been debunked several times over.

I will stick to having fun with the logic because I get a perverse kick out of it.

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OO, oo, i gotta a good one like that Craven:

People used to step outside and urinate . . . when they happened to urinate on an anthill, the ants would go scurrying--in middle English the word for ant is "pissmire," referring to the place in which they were seen. In middle French, the word as pissant, the present participle of piser, to urinate. This word entered the English language as pissant, which was shortened to ant.

Heeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .

yer killing me here, Boss . . .

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