It's Time to Stand Against Israel

JTT wrote:

Once again, we have this stunning hypocrisy from the US. Land was stolen from the rightful owners to create an artificial country. Those who seek to get their lands back have little in the way of armaments to fight their fight.

Give the Palestinians the same degree of funding that Israel gets and then we'll see who fights fairly....

The fact that you justify the deliberate, specific targetting of non-combatant women and children for murder says about all anyone needs to know about you.

The fact is that the testimony on war crimes presented by Vietnam Veterans Against the War in Detroit, Michigan, was read into the Congressional Record, spurred Congressional hearings into the conduct of the war in Vietnam, and echoed the conclusions of Brigadier General Telford Taylor, who prosecuted Nazi war criminals after World War II, that in Vietnam "we failed ourselves to learn the lessons we undertook to teach at Nuremberg, and that failure is today's American tragedy" (Nuremberg and Vietnam, 1970).

In a closing statement, Donald Duncan, a former Army Special Forces master sergeant, said "We have presented testimony for three days covering a wide range of war crimes. We have covered a period by actual firsthand testimony from 1963 to 1970 - seven years. We find: that in 1963, we were displacing population, we were murdering prisoners, we were turning prisoners over to somebody else to be tortured. We were committing murder then, and in 1970 we find nothing has changed. Every law of Land Warfare has been violated and been testified to here in the past three days. It has been done systematically, deliberately, and continuously. It has been done with the full knowledge of those who, in fact, make policy for this country. No active step has ever been taken to curtain those acts in Vietnam"

"We built forts in Vietnam to protect villages, or so we told the Vietnamese. And at the first shot fired at Tet in 1968 we destroyed the villages to protect the fort. District Eight in Saigon was leveled brick by brick, to the ground, to secure an area where Vietnamese, North Vietnamese, and Catholics, had come to the south because that was something the Church had told them in 1954. We leveled that area to protect a bridge," Duncan said. "We have listened to some terrible stories here. We have found there are some wondrous ways indeed to inflict pain upon each other. We will call them atrocities, and we will call them war crimes. And to talk about those acts, I'm sure, has been almost as painful for those who have had to listen as for those who have talked about them."



http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=399

I see the Anti-Semites have found a place to gather. That's nice.

Orthodox Jews the world over, are saddened by the hysteria which has greeted the recent stated desire of the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to see a world free of Zionism. This desire is nothing more than a yearning for a better, more peaceful world. It is a hope that with the elimination of Zionism, Jews and Muslims will live in harmony as they have throughout the ages, in Palestine and throughout the world.

It is a dangerous distortion, to see the President's words, as indicative of anti-Jewish sentiments. The President was simply re-stating the beliefs and statements of Ayatollah Khomeini, who always emphasized and practiced the respect and protection of Jews and Judaism. The political ideology of Zionism alone was rejected. President Ahmadinejad stressed this distinction by referring only to Zionism, not Judaism or the Jewish people, regardless of whether they reside in Palestine or else were.

We concur!!… Orthodox Jews have always prayed and till today, continually pray for the speedy and peaceful dismantling of the Zionist state. As per the teachings of the Torah, the Jewish law, the Jewish people are required to be loyal, upstanding citizens, in all of the countries where-in they reside. They are expressly forbidden to have their own entity or state in any form or configuration, in this Heavenly decreed exile. Furthermore, the exemplification of one-self, with acts of compassion and goodness, is of the essence of Judaism. To subjugate and oppress a people, to steal their land, homes and orchards etc. is of the cardinal sins, of the basics crimes, forbidden by the Torah.

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Statements/2005Oct28Iran.cfm

July 18, 2006: Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews joined a Pro Palestinian Rally outside the Israeli Consulate, New York City against the Zionist attacks on Lebanon.

http://www.nkusa.org/

Brandon9000 wrote:

JTT wrote:

Once again, we have this stunning hypocrisy from the US. Land was stolen from the rightful owners to create an artificial country. Those who seek to get their lands back have little in the way of armaments to fight their fight.

Give the Palestinians the same degree of funding that Israel gets and then we'll see who fights fairly....

The fact that you justify the deliberate, specific targetting of non-combatant women and children for murder says about all anyone needs to know about you.

Once again, we have this stunning hypocrisy, but this time there is monumental stupidity to boot.

Nicaragua, napalming villages, My Lai, Iran and the Shah, the gassing of the Kurds, the half a million Iraqi children who died because of an immoral US embargo, and this,

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The fact is that the testimony on war crimes presented by Vietnam Veterans Against the War in Detroit, Michigan, was read into the Congressional Record, spurred Congressional hearings into the conduct of the war in Vietnam, and echoed the conclusions of Brigadier General Telford Taylor, who prosecuted Nazi war criminals after World War II, that in Vietnam "we failed ourselves to learn the lessons we undertook to teach at Nuremberg, and that failure is today's American tragedy" (Nuremberg and Vietnam, 1970).

In a closing statement, Donald Duncan, a former Army Special Forces master sergeant, said "We have presented testimony for three days covering a wide range of war crimes. We have covered a period by actual firsthand testimony from 1963 to 1970 - seven years. We find: that in 1963, we were displacing population, we were murdering prisoners, we were turning prisoners over to somebody else to be tortured. We were committing murder then, and in 1970 we find nothing has changed. Every law of Land Warfare has been violated and been testified to here in the past three days. It has been done systematically, deliberately, and continuously. It has been done with the full knowledge of those who, in fact, make policy for this country. No active step has ever been taken to curtain those acts in Vietnam"

"We built forts in Vietnam to protect villages, or so we told the Vietnamese. And at the first shot fired at Tet in 1968 we destroyed the villages to protect the fort. District Eight in Saigon was leveled brick by brick, to the ground, to secure an area where Vietnamese, North Vietnamese, and Catholics, had come to the south because that was something the Church had told them in 1954. We leveled that area to protect a bridge," Duncan said. "We have listened to some terrible stories here. We have found there are some wondrous ways indeed to inflict pain upon each other. We will call them atrocities, and we will call them war crimes. And to talk about those acts, I'm sure, has been almost as painful for those who have had to listen as for those who have talked about them."



http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=399

And what does that have to do with you saying it's okay to murder children? By endorsing such things, you disqualify your opinions from serious consideration in the mind of any decent reader.

Hell, let's move Israel to, say, Maine. It won't take up even half of it, California, what, less than a tenth. The area Israel covers would be a mere blip on the USA. Let's end the hypocrisy; put your money where your mouth is instead of stealing other people's lands.

Can you tell me in your own words what Zionism actually is JTT?

McGentrix wrote:

Can you tell me in your own words what Zionism actually is JTT?

How many DWTBs have been dispatched by the repuglicans for this thread? Is Tico coming?


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So in other words,

Brandon9000 wrote:

And what does that have to do with you saying it's okay to murder children? By endorsing such things, you disqualify your opinions from serious consideration in the mind of any decent reader.

I never said that in any of the posts in this thread nor have I ever said that in any posting, Brandon. This stands as testament to the lengths you wingnuts will go to in order to divert the issue away from your profound contempt for the peoples of the world....

Once again, we have this stunning hypocrisy from the US. Land was stolen from the rightful owners to create an artificial country. Those who seek to get their lands back have little in the way of armaments to fight their fight.

Give the Palestinians the same degree of funding that Israel gets and then we'll see who fights fairly....

McGentrix wrote:

So in other words,

of course that's merely MY opinion...

Liberalism - The haunting fear that someone, somewhere can help themselves.

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Your signature lines and your postings tell me all I need to know about McG. Talk about a waste of time!

I see the Anti-Semites have found a place to gather. That's nice.

JTT wrote:

Hell, let's move Israel to, say, Maine. It won't take up even half of it, California, what, less than a tenth. The area Israel covers would be a mere blip on the USA. Let's end the hypocrisy; put your money where your mouth is instead of stealing other people's lands.

don't we first have to move all the Europeans out of North America and give it back to Indians?

The present State of Israel was set up in 1948 by European bureaucrats in a misguided and very short sighted attempt to appease and somehow compensate European Jews or Hitler's atrocities.Rather than return these Jews to the cities and villages they were disposessed from by the Nazis,and compensate them for their losses - European Governments had a better idea - lets just ship them all off to Palestine where we'll "expropiate" the land from the indigenous Palestinians and call it the new "Jewish Homeland"! The European politicians liked it and so apparently did the Jews but the only hitch in the scheme was that the native Palestinians,who weren't allowed to have any say in the plan, didn't like having their "Homeland" expropiated by unilateral and heavy-handed European "Decree".

Israeli politicians declare that Israel is a "Jewish State" and that its "right to exist" in Palestine is "legitimized" by the magical "Hocus Pocus of the Old Testament bible.In that case Christians and especially the world's 600 million Catholics also have a right to create "Homelands" in Palestine (entire State of Israel) as it is the land and birthplace of Jesus. (Incidentially Jesus was a Semetic ARAB, just like like the founders of Judaism were!!!!)

How well does International Law recognize the "Old Testament" or Bethlehem as the "birthplace of Jesus" as being a "legitimate claim" by any "religious group" on the "ownership" of the land of Palestine?

In North America the Native Indians in Canada and the U.S. have brought to court their legitimate "Land Claims" and they have won their cases in court on the basis that "they were here first"! The Palestinians can make the same legitimate claim - they were in Palestine and all the areas now claimed by Israel tens of thousands of years before there was a Jewish or Christian or Muslim religion.The claim of the Israeli Govt. to the land of Palestine by any standards of law is illegitimate.

Not only that but the Israeli govt. is bringing in "Caucasian" Jews from Russia;Europe and North America to settle on Palestinian land while at the same time they're forcing the indigenous "Semetic" Palestinians out and are bulldozing their homes!

Theres an easy solution to the Israel-Palestinian debate to determine who really "historically" belongs there.Lets have all the people of Israel and the West Bank etc. have a simple "blood test".From this it can easily be determined by "DNA" analysis who are the pure blooded (Semetic Arab) natives who are historically "indigenous" to that desert region and who are not!

K.Hawley



"It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief,if I may so express it,that mental lying has produced in Society.When a man has so corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe,he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime!"[/i]
- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)

In North America the Native Indians in Canada and the U.S. have brought to court their legitimate "Land Claims" and they have won their cases in court on the basis that "they were here first"!

nothing in there about repatriating anyone back to Europe.

in a later section,

seems to me that ultimately the canadian government decides claims against it by people who "were here first," and the original inhabitants certainly don't win all the cases.

I see the Anti-Semites have found a place to gather. That's nice.

In North America the Native Indians in Canada and the U.S. have brought to court their legitimate "Land Claims" and they have won their cases in court on the basis that "they were here first"!

On 8 August 1973 the federal government, wishing to clear the way for industrial development of the North and to improve the position of native peoples in Canada, announced a new policy for the settlement of native claims. The policy confirmed the responsibility of government to meet its lawful obligations through fulfilment of the terms of the treaties and to negotiate settlements with native groups in those areas of Canada where native rights based on traditional use and occupancy of the land had not been dealt with by treaty or superseded by law. The policy emphasized that the co-operation of provincial and territorial governments would be required.

In order to carry out the new policy, an Office of Native Claims was created in 1974 within the Department of INDIAN AND NORTHERN AFFAIRS CANADA (INAC). Under the leadership of an assistant deputy minister, negotiators, lawyers and researchers dealt with 2 main types of claim: specific and comprehensive. Specific claims are based on problems arising from the administration of Indian treaties, the INDIAN ACT, Indian funds and disposition of Indian land. Although negotiation is the preferred course of action to settle these claims, settlement may also be reached by administrative remedy or court action. Specific claims are usually made by Indian groups living in the provinces, as opposed to the territories, and most settlements consist of compensation and land (sometimes land only). Comprehensive claims are based on the traditional use and occupancy of land by Indians, Métis or Inuit who did not sign treaties and were not displaced from their lands by war or other means. These claims, which are settled by negotiation, involve the 2 territories and the northern parts of some provinces. The areas of land and the numbers of native people involved are usually greater than in the case of specific claims. Settlement of these claims comprises a variety of terms including money, land, forms of local government, rights to wildlife, rights protecting native language and culture and joint management of lands and resources.

By March 1996, 746 specific claims, including those for treaty entitlement (mostly in the prairie provinces), had been received by government. Of those, 151 had been settled by negotiation, 40 settled by litigation and 95 were being negotiated. Two hundred and eighty-six were under review; files were closed on 98 and 76 were rejected.

The Most Dangerous Alliance in the World

by Norman Solomon

After getting out of Lebanon, writer June Rugh told Reuters on Tuesday: "As an American, I'm embarrassed and ashamed. My administration is letting it happen [by giving] tacit permission for Israel to destroy a country."
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Embarrassing. Shameful. A travesty. Those kinds of words begin to describe the alliance between the United States and Israel. Here are a few more: Government criminality. High-tech terror. Mass murder from the skies. The kind of premeditated action that the U.S. representative in Nuremberg at the International Conference on Military Trials -- Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson -- was talking about on August 12, 1945, when he declared that "no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-solomon/the-most-dangerous-allian_b_25483.html

After getting out of Lebanon, writer June Rugh told Reuters on Tuesday: "As an American, I'm embarrassed and ashamed. My administration is letting it happen [by giving] tacit permission for Israel to destroy a country."