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Is abortion really wrong?

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:40 am
Intrepid wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
It is the extinguishing of what would have become a person, but was not sufficiently developed. Therefore, you are all wet, Xenoche and others.



No, it is the killing of a developing person that you cannot see.

Funny that Xenoche seems to agree with you and you tell him/her that they are all wet. Shocked


What would have become a person, developing person -
Explain the difference.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:42 am
Xenoche wrote:
I am wet (please clarify, I am noob ok).

We can all harp on about what has'nt yet become of another persons child, or we can just except the fact that its none of our buisiness what an individual does to his or her bodies (i'm I correct, or are the bodies of the general populus property of the state where you reside?).


Apologies. I read your post much too hastily.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:43 am
So what? Passing baby pictures is not the issue here. All you can say here is that at 4 weeks, we shouldn't abort. That still doesn't mean we shouldn't abort before 4 weeks.

The only good point you make, RL, is that we should have a cut off point and that it should be based on what we deem is a human being.

P.S. You really should learn to shorten the URLs. Stretching the forums makes reading the messages more of a hassle than it should be.
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Xenoche
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:43 am
For the love of zeus, can someone pretty please tell me what being wet means Sad
Hope it doesnt mean what I think it means Razz

Abortion=Killing/Extinguishing/Slaying a human fetus, ok, i got that part.

Still doesnt mean you or any1 else has any say in the matter.
Does that make me pro-death?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:45 am
xenoche
All wet = being in the wrong. I have apolgized for it.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:49 am
edgarblythe wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
It is the extinguishing of what would have become a person, but was not sufficiently developed. Therefore, you are all wet, Xenoche and others.



No, it is the killing of a developing person that you cannot see.

Funny that Xenoche seems to agree with you and you tell him/her that they are all wet. Shocked


What would have become a person, developing person -
Explain the difference.


There is no difference other than you seem to negate the fact that it is a developing person...not a thing that does not have a beating heart.

At least you did not question the killing part.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:50 am
edgarblythe wrote:
Xenoche wrote:
I am wet (please clarify, I am noob ok).

We can all harp on about what has'nt yet become of another persons child, or we can just except the fact that its none of our buisiness what an individual does to his or her bodies (i'm I correct, or are the bodies of the general populus property of the state where you reside?).


Apologies. I read your post much too hastily.


That answers quite a bit.
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Xenoche
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:57 am
Cheers Very Happy

Sorry for being a little over-persistant, mabee, dunno, sorry anyway.

Hey real life, believe it or not, i have two kids, ones 4 and the others 4 1/2 mounths, I have seen them move within with ultra sound, felt them move by touch, and I STILL stand my ground that it is for the individual involved to decide.
I dont need some pathetic links to OTHER peoples pregnancies in a rediculus attempt to pull a sympathy vote.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 09:00 am
Xenoche wrote:
The Facts:
a) Abortion is the "abortion" of a human life.
What people are discussing is whether or not Abortion is equal to killing.
b) Abortion is a choice, it is up to the individual to decide.
A2k'ers are also discussing whether or not the choice should be removed.
c) Abortion is useful in the removal of unhealthy, brain-damaged, under-developing fetus's.
It is still being discussed whether or-not this is immoral.

To me, abortion is the extinguishing of an undeveloped soul. It is not killing, as I feel that the un-selfsufficiancy of a fetus voids it from being defined as alive. It is however an extended part of the mothers body with the potential to become a human life. I think it should be up to the individual and the individual alone whether or not to abort. As for utilizing abortion as a means to prevent the birth of a defective infant, I still feel that the medical sector lay the facts in front the individual to make a educated decision.

Yes pictures of disposed infants is horrible, but so is war, and rotten.com. That doesn't stop people from killing others and themselves. No matter how strongly some of you oppose it, like drug prohibition, people still do it.

Abortion beats authorities finding infants in trash cans.


hi Xenoche,

I could introduce you to several couples who were told in all seriousness by specialists that they were going to give birth to a brain damaged child and were counseled to abort.

They gave birth instead to a perfectly healthy baby. What if they had aborted? Would you still consider it 'useful' ?

What about the deformities that we have found cures or surgical corrections for? Should we have just thrown those babies away without an effort to give them life?

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You state that the unborn is 'part of the mother's body', however this is incorrect.

From the moment of conception, the unborn has a distinct DNA pattern that DOES NOT match his/her mother's. Therefore it cannot be 'part of the mother's body', (though it is attached and dependent on it.)

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You believe that the unborn is 'insufficiently developed' and therefore not a human being.

So tell us, at what point EXACTLY does the unborn become sufficiently developed to qualify as a human being?
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Chaplin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 11:05 am
Xenoche wrote:
Sorry for being a little over-persistant, mabee, dunno, sorry anyway.

Hey real life, believe it or not, i have two kids, ones 4 and the others 4 1/2 mounths, I have seen them move within with ultra sound, felt them move by touch, and I STILL stand my ground that it is for the individual involved to decide.
I dont need some pathetic links to OTHER peoples pregnancies in a rediculus attempt to pull a sympathy vote.

Xenoche, You are right by some 100 percent! Isn't it funny they want to control other people's life? They would show pictures of a growing embryo and say it's wrong to kill a life, but they fail to recognize and show pictures of all the lives already on this planet that are starving to death - or being killed in war zones. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 11:33 am
So in another thread about abortion people were against even the abortion of a damaged fetus. There was a discussion about 23 weeks old fetuses and the survival rate yadda yadda yadda. So I wanted to know what the opinion was on a fetus without a brain. Everyone's opinion hinges on the idea of a "living person" in the whomb. There is a chomosomal disorder where a child fetus actually develops without a brain. The brain stem is present, so the fetus can breathe and his heart will beat. There is no higher brain function. Would it be wrong to abort such a child?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 02:38 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:
Everyone's opinion hinges on the idea of a "living person" in the whomb.

Not mine.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 02:42 pm
Chaplin wrote:
Xenoche wrote:
Sorry for being a little over-persistant, mabee, dunno, sorry anyway.

Hey real life, believe it or not, i have two kids, ones 4 and the others 4 1/2 mounths, I have seen them move within with ultra sound, felt them move by touch, and I STILL stand my ground that it is for the individual involved to decide.
I dont need some pathetic links to OTHER peoples pregnancies in a rediculus attempt to pull a sympathy vote.

Xenoche, You are right by some 100 percent! Isn't it funny they want to control other people's life? They would show pictures of a growing embryo and say it's wrong to kill a life, but they fail to recognize and show pictures of all the lives already on this planet that are starving to death - or being killed in war zones. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.


What does war or starvation have to do with abortion?

Are you using killing elsewhere to justify killing the unborn?

What in the world are you talking about?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 02:46 pm
You beat me to it RealLife. I am beginning to think that Chaplin's foolishness knows no bounds.

How anybody could consolidate abortion, war and starvation is beyond comprehension.
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Chaplin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 04:31 pm
If you wish to impose your religious philosophy on others you don't even know, but ignore the people who are already "living," you miss the point completely.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 04:45 pm
Intrepid wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
It is the extinguishing of what would have become a person, but was not sufficiently developed. Therefore, you are all wet, Xenoche and others.



No, it is the killing of a developing person that you cannot see.

Funny that Xenoche seems to agree with you and you tell him/her that they are all wet. Shocked


What would have become a person, developing person -
Explain the difference.


There is no difference other than you seem to negate the fact that it is a developing person...not a thing that does not have a beating heart.

At least you did not question the killing part.


I did not question that the fetus is a collection of cells that dies.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:24 pm
Chaplin wrote:
If you wish to impose your religious philosophy on others you don't even know, but ignore the people who are already "living," you miss the point completely.
Why do you assert that those who are pro life are wont to ignore those already living?

No doubt some do. I hardly think real life and Intrepid are in that category.
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Chaplin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:31 pm
No doubt, but to assume real life and intrepid are not hypocrites is the big question. Talk is cheap.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:37 pm
Chaplin wrote:
No doubt, but to assume real life and intrepid are not hypocrites is the big question. Talk is cheap.
You would have to have read their opinions over a few topics to realize they are quite sincere.

Of course, I thump them regularly; but that's another story. :wink:
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Chaplin
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:40 pm
"Sincerity" is not the issue.
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