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Pepsi Upsets Religion Again

 
 
Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 06:50 am
NW Pakistan Radicals Target 'Obscene' Western Advertising


DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP)--In a warning to the provincial government to remove what it considers "obscene" images, a radical religious party in northwest Pakistan sent its young men on a smashing spree of neon Pepsi Cola signs, a leader said Monday.

Youths belonging to Jamaat-e-Islami, the country's best-organized Islamic group, pelted the signs with sticks and stones Sunday, offended by the show of a man and woman together sipping the soft drink, said Sadir Hussein Awan, Jamaat district chief.

The signs showed test cricketer Shahid Afridi and a pop singer, Haroon, standing with a female model with Pepsi bottles in their hands.

Officials from U.S.-based drinks firm PepsiCo's (PEP) Pakistani franchisee weren't immediately available for comment.

"This is a warning to the government to remove these signs and to force the administration to enforce the Islamic traditions and rules," including a ban on music in public buses, Awan said.

The religious alliance that rules in North West Frontier Province espouses a strict brand of Islam that frowns on men and women fraternizing. It has ordered music banned from public buses and promises to implement Shariat or Islamic law.

Awan said his party workers will return to the streets in one week if the remaining offending signs weren't removed. They would also force buses still playing music to remove their tape recorders.

While the reason for smashing the Pepsi signs was the presence of the woman openly fraternizing with men, Jamaat-e-Islami also has called for a boycott of U.S. products to protest the U.S. attacks in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

Later Monday, the province's chief minister, Akram Durrani, announced a ban on the sale of alcohol in hotels in an effort to "eliminate all social evils."

"Sale and purchase of alcohol isn't allowed in Islam," Durrani said in a decree, according to an official statement. "I have issued this order as part of a campaign to eliminate all social evils."

Updated May 12, 2003 11:20 a.m.


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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 08:28 am
How can we ever be anything but adversaries with people whose lives are totally run by their religion's vision of humanity?

Men & women cannot drink Pepsi together? This is evil? Bah. This brings out the very worst of my intolerance for Islam. I'd rather not even know about it.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 08:54 am
Piffka- True, but Americans are not going to win any friends if they flaut the religious sensibilities of a region. A corporation that wishes to sell a product in an area where those sorts of ads are going to be perceived as intolerable, are not exhibiting appropriate business practices. When in Rome...............
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 09:30 am
It's things like this, that drive the price of a stock down.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 09:32 am
"Sale and purchase of alcohol isn't allowed in Islam," Durrani said in a decree, according to an official statement. "I have issued this order as part of a campaign to eliminate all social evils."


But you'll see alcohol in private homes and at private parties.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 09:33 am
I wonder what Durrani thinks of NYPD Blue?
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:11 am
Of course, it is necessary to act as a Roma (politically correct name of Gypsies) while being in Rome (Laughing), but who could anticipate that common drinking of non-alcoholic beverage by fully dressed men and women might provoke violent responses? IMO, this has nothing to do with Islam and/or Koran, it is just a manifestation of opposition to any external signs of American way of life. The same reasons made the Soviet government to avoid manufacturing or importing of such, IMO, ideologically neutral product as a chewing gum.
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BeachBum
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:15 am
The solution is simple: Replace the Pepsi signs with the Budweiser frogs. Who doesn't love them?

Bud

Weis

Er

AHAHAHAHA. Classic.

If evolution works the way it should, the Islamics will be going around WASSSSUUUUUUUUUPing each other if a few years.

Now THAT is progress.
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husker
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:18 am
I had thought that Gypsies were of India'n race? Anyone know more about that? But I also know about Roma, the Gypsies here are a long ways from the Roman race.
How does that all work?
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Heeven
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:21 am
So ... let them drink Coke!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:23 am
And it has been the same uproar with chewing-gum ads in the USSR as well?
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husker
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:25 am
http://www.romani.org/rishi/retygajo.html

Quote:
Roma have originated from the north of India. This has been proved sufficiently by linguistic evidences and many other factors and has now been accepted by scholars all over the world. Roma are Rajputs and Jats of India or men and women of India belonging to warrior classes whose ancestors migrated from India about a thousand years ago. Besides linguistic proofs I have used blood tests and cultural affinities as further evidences. So it is clear that. only the history of India can give us the answer why the word 'Gajo' should convey a sense of hatred and contempt.

The word Gajo or Gaze is the changed form of word Ghazi and with Rajasthani and Braj influence it has changed into Gazho or 'Gajo' where masculine, singular adjectives end in 'o' e.g. kalo (black), baro (big) etc. etc. This was in India that a king named Mahmud Ghazni (Mahniud Ghaznvid) came and attacked India about seventeen times between 1001-1026 A.D. Mahmud Ghazni ruled from Ghazni, a city in Afghanistan. The Kingdom of Ghazni at the time of Mahmud's accession consisted of the country called Afghanistan and Khorason, the eastern province of Persia. The people of this kingdom were also called Ghazis. The famous historian of India Dr. Ishwari Prasad has remarked "to the Mussalman of his day he was a Ghazi who tried to exterminate infidelity in heathen lands". Mahmud Ghaznvi's first attack was in 1001 near Peshawar and he took away with him as many as 500,000 people as slaves. Many more fled from their homes. In his subsequent attack more atrocities and cruelties were laid on Indian people. It is said about him that "he came, burnt, killed, plundered, captured and went".

For Muslims of his day he was Ghazi meaning a Mohammadan warrior, a slayer of infidels. The word Ghazi has become Ghazo or Gajo in the Romani language and is used to denote a non-Rom, non-Gypsy, a stranger as also a bad and dangerous nation (masculine adj. have endings in 'o' in the Romani language, because of Rajasthani influence). In his last attack in 1026 he faced lats from the Panjab. Those were the people who left their homes because of terror of Mahmud and became Gypsies or Roma in foreign lands. They developed a natural hatred for Ghazi, and that is why they called every non-Gypsy a 'Gajo' who had tortured and oppressed them. In fact Mr. A.P. Barannikov in his Romani-Russian Dictionary has given the meaning of the word 'Gazbaiben' as 'theft, stealing or plundering, All this is clearly proved by the above fact.

The following Romani folk-tale from Bulgaria also supports that the Roma left their mother country because of the Moslem invasions and destruction caused by them. The folk tale as related by Ali Chaushev from Shumen in East Bulgaria runs as under : Siyas amen ekh baro thagar-Rom. Ov siyas amaro prins. ov siyas amro padishaxos. O Roma beshenas o zuman savre kidende ekh thaneste, ekh lache vilayscheste. Kale vilayecbesko alav siyas sind......

"We used to have a great king, a Gypsy. He was our prince. He was our king. The Gypsies used to live all together at that time in one place, in one beautiful country. The name of our chief was Mar Amengo Dep. He had two brothers. The name of one was Romano, the name of the other was Singan. That was good, but then there was a big war there. The Moslems caused ' the war. They made ashes and dust of the Gypsy country. All the Gypsies fled together from their own land. They began to wander as poor men in other countries, in other lands. At that time the three brothers took their followers and moved off; they marched along many roads. Some went to Arabia, some went to Byzantium, some went to Armenia.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:26 am
Important point, I have to agree with Steissed. When I worked in some of the Islamic countries in the mid 80s, there was no coordinated campaign against many Non-Islamic social practices. Alcohol was served in special "waadis" and not much was done about smoking and customs they considered foreign . Now, I think its an "in" thing to be Super-Sectarian and Fundamental. BFD on em.
They cant be any pushier than the Mormons.

I see that weve changed the Iraqi symbol of F*-you (raised thumb) to an ok America symbol, at least I hope thats whats happened cuz when the MArines and the I3 came into Baghdad, there were a lot of upraised thumbs.
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:59 am
I think it is a dangerous stance to get in a twist about all of islam being intolerant and stiffling. These are extremists.
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 12:07 pm
Husker, I am afraid that you ignored the "lol" sign in my comment on Roma and Rome (at first I wanted to replace them with Romanians, just for not to provoke excessively politically correct people). It was a deliberate distortion of the known proverb about Rome and Romans.
No one attacked the chewing gum commercial posters in the USSR for two reasons:
1. The Soviet people were forbidden to display their latent vandalistic instincts spontaneously, such a thing could be only sanctioned by authorities; and the latter ones had negative idea of vandalism in general (despite of being Reds, they were quite civilized people).
2. There were no such posters in the USSR.
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 12:12 pm
Hey, steissd - I got it!
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 12:14 pm
Heeven wrote:
So ... let them drink Coke!


OR a vodka martini! Razz
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 12:14 pm
Wait wait wait.

This is no offense of religion. The condemnation is a political stance and a sign of defiance by a radical group. It depends on the culture of the people if this situation gets complicated or not. I don't think the majority of Pakistanis will buy that brand of fundamentalism. Their point may well be anti-Americanism.

Reminded me of traditional Catholics who defaced Wonderbra advertisements on the grounds that they were pornographic.

(I've just talked with a journalist friend who was in Pakistan last year. And he says he saw men and women having soft drinks together in Islamabad. He wrote last year that he was yelled at by the people, when wearing a NYYankees baseball cap, which he had to take off, and I don't think Pakistanis are Mets fans)
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patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 12:15 pm
As a somewhat young lad a gypsy woman reached deeply into my front pocket in Rome. What an odd mix of emotions that stirred up...

So, when in Roma...
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 12:22 pm
patiodog wrote:
As a somewhat young lad a gypsy woman reached deeply into my front pocket in Rome. What an odd mix of emotions that stirred up...

So, when in Roma...


Where was that POCKET located?
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