Why do you still support Bush?

Bernard......... you are a pompous, bag of hot air.

Do you really expect everyone to stop and read those long say nothing piles of horse manure?

Iraq did not seek yellow cake. Considering that it had terminated its nuke program, it would have no need for yellow cake.

Advocate et el, No matter how much evidence is presented that Saddam never tried to purchase yellow cake from Niger just goes way over the heads of these neocons. The label they have earned, morons, is appropriate.

A very good round up of the WMD issue.

http://www.answers.com/topic/iraq-and-weapons-of-mass-destruction

McGentrix, thanks for the excellent link. It seems fairly balanced.

Last night I read an article about Colin Powell in an AARP newsletter or magazine. Of course, the AARP interviewer was obviously biased and attempted to get Colin Powell to blame George Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and others. Powell did express his wish that he had not presented the famous slide show purportedly showing weapons of mass destruction evidence to the U.N. However, his statements clearly indicated he truly believed the information at the time, and that most people in government believed the information, for very good reasons, which are also well explained in your link McGentrix, until such time that the people on the ground in Iraq continued to fail to find any newer WMD. If I could talk to Powell, I would ask why he would feel like he should blame himself for this slide show, when he has no reason to do so, based on everything we know.

I personally think we should move on. Bush did not lie. He has been one of the most stable and steady influences in the world in my opinion. We still do not know about the WMD. We toppled Hussein. Let us unite in the commitment to help Iraq stabilize, and the Middle East, the citizens of Iraq, and the free world will be a whole lot better off. It was not a wasted effort. We have eliminated a scourge, a murderous dicatator, and a very real threat to the world. Obviously, the problems will not disappear. They never have. However, I think we are better off, and we should not abandon the efforts, and "go wobbly," synonomous with "Go Democrat."

okie must have his head buried in the sand. Ethnic and sectarian violence increases by the day, and they still talk about "success." Only blind fools stick with a course that isn't winnable, and conditions are getting worse for everybody. "Stay the course" is not a winnable goal; change is needed.

cicerone, it depends on who you listen to. An article about a local soldier that was in Iraq in 2003 and now recently. His report is Iraq is vastly improved, and improving. Problems abound, yes, but improving.

Far fewer people died at Pearl Harbor than in the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks that triggered the War on Terror. The attack on Pearl Harbor triggered a four-year U.S. commitment to a massive war that cost more than four hundred thousand U.S. lives and many million lives world wide.

Was it worth it? I think it was.

The U.S. has never been in a prolonged conflict with as few lives as have been lost in Iraq and Afghanistan nor have there ever been so few civilian casualties. And if we had chosen to use overwhelming force there, we would have cost more civilian lives but far fewer military lives.

Was the way we chose to fight this war wise? That will be sorted out by the military historians. Was it worth it at all? That too will be sorted out in objective histories still to be written.

For sure wanting a good outcome will be much more likely to produce one than the "I hate America" types who won't admit it, but who seem to obviously want Iraq et al to be a failure so they can justify their anger and hatred.

Foxfyre wrote:

For sure wanting a good outcome will be much more likely to produce one than the "I hate America" types who won't admit it, but who seem to obviously want Iraq et al to be a failure so they can justify their anger and hatred.

McG, your "good roundup" on WMD is all ancient history. Saddam ended his nuke phase in the late 1990s.

I just finished reading that...

What a long report.

It is missing some recent revelations.

Like "hundreds of WMD's found in Iraq"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Like ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda uncovered.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202277,00.html

It doesn't go into AK Khan's story much.

Saddam was offered deals by AK Khan but he thought they were being offered by America undercover when they were not. America didn't even know about AK Khan's deals till after or sometime around the Baghdad liberation.

Once Saddam had realized his neighbor Pakistan was really willing to deal in WMD for a price how long would Saddam have waited, seriously? Libya and Iran didn't hesitate to take Kahn up on his offer.

Saddam's intent to buy off the security council so sanctions were lifted were apparent.

Why? So he could continue his process of procuring WMD.

Also Saddam acted all secular until he was captured then he suddenly became jihadist.

Now after the liberation of Iraq.

http://www.metimes.com/print.php?StoryID=20060706-043245-3390r

These two articles describe the kind of people who are still supporting a cold blooded murderer.


http://www.theproudliberalbitch.com/reality_beneath_the_flagwav.htm


http://www.theproudliberalbitch.com/just_so_you_know.htm

I didn't realize you had your own website, MK.

Liberation of Iraq? 63 more dead today......yep, they are liberated! They will never again have to worry about a bomb attack on their homes or seeing their children starve. Never again will they have to suffer through this desert heat with little or no relief. They have died in worse conditions than anthing Saddam ever did to them. But by God they are liberated.

500 WMDs found in Iraq?? Yep those would be the ones that got Rick Santorum laughed out of town. You don't hear ole Chicken george crowing about any weapons do you? LMAO! To quote Faux Spews and Gay Duck Santorum is really the pits! Same for the Cheney invented ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Never mind that Al Qaeda was a figament of Tricky Dick's imagination..... literally invented by Chicken George and Thugs Inc.

Mag,

Are you a bigot?

You can use the word gay whatever way but then you are just as 'gay' too in the same sense and you are also wrong about almost everything you say. It must suck being so wrong so much of the time?

ARE YOU SAYING THE IRAQIS WERE BETTER OFF IN A TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP RATHER THAN A DEMOCRACY?

I might add... the the people killing the Iraqis daily are NOT AMERICANS!!!

They are other Arabs.

Mag, should we just dump these darn freedom loving Iraqis? They have TRUSTED us this far to help them reshape their government? Push 'em off the hay ride Mag and say, "Nice knowing ya!" Hahahahaha... (sarcasm).

IS THIS WHAT YOU REALLY THINK WE SHOULD DO MAG?

Are you dems too good to fight in this little middle east war for democracy? Of course! The dems are too busy making money in special interest ventures to care about 'charity' work. This is why the left wing creates charities but the right wind supports them. Should we tell Iraq Mag, well it was a nice dream but we think the money would be better spent AT HOME (like gay duckie Hillary suggests) rather than helping the Iraqis reach a position where they can defend themselves.

Meg, should we abandon the Iraqis in the desert with no water and food? Leave them to fight Al Qaeda alone? Should we leave a blight in history saying we came and tried and just before the job was finished good ol' Mag had our soldiers come home... So, the terrorists rushed in and massacred the new Iraqi government! Then Iraq goes back to a dictatorship Mag and you will be SOOOOOoooo happy again! YEAAAAAaaaa says Meg! (sarcasm) That would mean the George Bush failed and Meg got that damn pound of flesh so desired! You never wanted the troops home! You never cared about the Iraqi people or WMD! You only wanted Georgie to fail. You are a pin head Mag. Nearly nothing you say is factual at all. You are the liar and your nut case friends on extreme far left are too...

Why hate Georgie? So the terrorists will have the oil to build bombs so then they can start killing the Saudis (our friends) and any other infidels who will not bow down to their God at gunpoint! Will you bow down to their God Mag? I bet you would... you are a sell out, even to your own kind...

When they come knocking on your door you can tell them how you helped aid and comfort the enemy! Maybe they will make you one of them and you can murder people at gun point too? (sarcasm)

You expect the Iraqis to bow down though Mag?

So again, are you a bigot Mag?

You will be proven wrong on every single point as this war unfolds.
Soon we here on the right, the middle and many on the left will be rubbing it in your face that George Bush HAS won this war against your hate and when you blow your top we will post a message for you... "mission IS accomplished" and you will be eating sour grapes and granola with your beloved Al Gore. All the the gay tree hugging in the world will not make you feel better about this one.

Grammar school is tough isn't it Mag?

Agreed it missed some things, and thanks for mentioning the things missed. The report did bring out a couple of important points, one being the burden of proof was on Hussein to prove he had no WMD, and he failed to do that, and secondly the evidence of things being moved to Syria persists and this has not been dismissed by the so-called experts. It also says that Hussein likely had no intention of permanently giving up his WMD programs, even if they were indeed suspended or limited for a while, which we do not know exactly how limited or suspended the programs actually were for sure.

Magginkat and other Bush haters can continue to sling their mindless drivel onto this forum, but it makes no difference, as the facts and honest debate should win with the people that matter, the people that can honestly have the courage to face the facts and history as it actually occurred.

Bush is buttressing is position as the most hated man on the globe. The funny thing is that he deserves his position.

Bernie, I think you know quite well that Bush knew there were no WMD, 9/11 connection, etc., but lied about this to congress, the American public, and the world. How can you guys on the right defend this creep?

Advocate, It's called "denial." It's obvious they will not stop apologizing for incompetent, liar, Bush.