Why do you still support Bush?

Another conservative "projection" without facts to back it up.

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Advocate wrote:

Just when did the swift boaters write that Kerry resume? Kerry is a great American with a mountain of accomplishments. Moreover, he is a certified combat hero.

A "mountain of accomplishments"? Really?

What has John Kerry accomplished in his 20-year career as a US Senator? Eleven measures authored by Kerry have been signed into law, including a save-the-dolphins law, a law naming a federal building, a law giving a posthumous award to Jackie Robinson last year, and laws declaring "world population awareness weeks" in 1989 and 1991.

Of those, he authored only seven bills that passed the Senate and the House and became law:

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* S.791: Authorizes $53 million over four years to provide grants to woman-owned small businesses. (1999)

* S.1206: Names a federal building in Waltham, Massachusetts after Frederick C. Murphy, who was killed in action during World War II and awarded (posthumously) the Medal of Honor. (1994)

* S.1636: A save-the-dolphins measure aiming "to improve the program to reduce the incidental taking of marine mammals during the course of commercial fishing operations." (1994)

* S.1563: Funding the National Sea Grant College Program, which supports university-based research, public education, and other projects "to promote better understanding, conservation and use of America's coastal resources." (1991)

* S.423: Granting a visa and admission to the U.S. as a permanent resident to Kil Joon Yu Callahan. (1987)

* H.R.1900 (S.300): Awarded a congressional gold medal to Jackie Robinson (posthumously), and called for a national day of recognition. (2003)

* H.R.1860 (S.856): Increased the maximum research grants for small businesses from $500,000 to $750,000 under the Small Business Technology Transfer Program. (2001)

... and four other resolutions that passed both the House and the Senate:

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* S.J.Res.158: To make the week of Oct. 22 - Oct. 28, 1989 "World Population Awareness Week." (1989)

* S.J.Res.160: To renew "World Population Awareness Week" for 1991. (1991)

* S.J.Res.318: To make Nov. 13, 1992 "Vietnam Veterans Memorial 10th Anniversary Day." (1992)

* S.J.Res.337: To make Sept. 18, 1992 "National POW/MIA Recognition Day." (1992)

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Which of the above are you including in your description of Kerry's "mountain of accomplishments"?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

RexRed wrote:
The left are (for the most part) anti-Christ and anti-American...

There is nothing more anti-Christ than the American conservative agenda. Anyone who calls him/herself a Christian...especially the folks who make a big display of it...who identifies him/herself as an American conservative...is spitting in the face of Jesus.

I have my gripes with the conservative agenda too.. But the left are more fun to pick on... Laughing

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snood wrote:

You said damn.

Ah but that's different Snood if a rabid right winger says it. That hypocrisy must be getting hard to swallow even for someone like Asherman who has been brainwashed in it till he doesn't know up from down.

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snood wrote:

People can be for the Iraq War and not all be heartless baby killing imperialists.

People can be antiwar and not all be American hating terrorist sympathizers.

The hyperbole gets real old.

Should we tell Red Rx that there are no insurgents? These are people fighting to get the occupiers out of their country. The poor people of Iraq had a much better life under Dictator Saddam than they do under Dictator George.

Saddam was more truthful than dictator george too. When he murdered people he just flatass murdered them. When Dictator george murders them he calls it bringing on Democracy.

Now let's see how the rabid right try to twist that post.

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They already have (twisted the whole fear rhetoric):

Friends,
The headline, from the London Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2260922,00.html) said: FBI foils al-Qaeda plot to flood Wall Street
Are you also getting tired of these non-stories that seem to be designed only to keep people in a state of fear?
To summarize the actual facts reported in this so-important story (that Ill bet got a lot of air time on the TV so-called news programs):
1) The alleged plot actually was a discussion in an internet chat rooms used by extremists (whatever that means).
2) None of the plotters were in the United States or had ever been.

3) There was no evidence that any money was sent or explosives bought.

4) Perhaps the funniest thing is that the plot supposedly was to drown the tip of the island by blowing up underwater tunnels whose ends were, of course, higher than the water level. FBI officials said that the plot had been in its planning stages. Thats some planning. No doubt the FBI also found evidence that someone somewhere was thinking about providing them with high-pressure pumps and a team of terrorists with buckets.

5) And you have to love this sentence, which at first reading seems to say something. FBI officials said that information gleaned from the internet suggested that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq who was killed by a US bomb last month, had agreed to back the plot financially. What this actually says is nothing! FBI officials said, information from the net suggested in other words, hearsay, speculation. Gossip, in short. An honest grand jury would laugh this away if it came to them as a request for an indictment.

Where is P.T. Barnum when you need him? The obvious answer is, the man who said theres a sucker born every minute is working for the U.S. government, and no doubt drawing a good salary.

Frank

FBI foils al-Qaeda plot to flood Wall Street
From Tim Reid, in Washington
A PLOT by foreign terrorists to bomb underground train and road tunnels in New York with the aim of flooding the Wall Street financial district has been thwarted, the FBI said yesterday.
The main target of the Islamic extremists, one of whom is an al-Qaeda member and under arrest in Beirut , was the Holland Tunnel, the main road link between Manhattan and New Jersey that runs under the Hudson River . It carried almost 35 million vehicles in 2005.
The alleged plot was discovered during monitoring of internet chat rooms used by extremists. It also involved bombing the New York subway.

Mark J. Mershon, the assistant director in charge of the FBIs New York field office, said that there were eight principal players in the plot. Three were in custody abroad and six nations had been involved in the investigation, he added. None of the plotters had ever been in the US or obtained materials to stage an attack.

The FBI added that the plotters had discussed driving vehicles laden with explosives into several tunnels around Manhattan and then blowing them up.

Mr Mershon said that the plot would have involved martyrdom, explosives in some of the tunnels that connected New Jersey and Manhattan . Earlier, FBI officials said that information gleaned from the internet suggested that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq who was killed by a US bomb last month, had agreed to back the plot financially. But there was no evidence that any money was sent or explosives bought.

One suspect, a Lebanese native, known as Amir al-Andalousi and an al-Qaeda member, was arrested in Beirut a month ago on the request of US authorities. Lebanese officials said that his real name was Assem Hammoud, and that he had confessed. He was planning to travel to Pakistan for four months training and that the date for the attack was decided to be late 2006, the Lebanese Interior Ministry said in a statement.

FBI officials said that the plot had been in its planning stages. The timetable for the attack was October or November. It was also pointed out that any plan to flood Wall Street would have failed because Lower Manhattan lies above the level of the Hudson River .

I have a bridge to sell in Montana; anyone interested?

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Magginkat wrote:

snood wrote:
You said damn.

Ah but that's different Snood if a rabid right winger says it. That hypocrisy must be getting hard to swallow even for someone like Asherman who has been brainwashed in it till he doesn't know up from down.

Jesus said damn...

Mr 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

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I don't know but the left think Christians are wimps. It must be a Freudian thing... like, transference.

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RexRed wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The left are (for the most part) anti-Christ and anti-American...

There is nothing more anti-Christ than the American conservative agenda. Anyone who calls him/herself a Christian...especially the folks who make a big display of it...who identifies him/herself as an American conservative...is spitting in the face of Jesus.

I have my gripes with the conservative agenda too.. But the left are more fun to pick on...

Then why do you bellyache when we pick on you? With a leader like that silly back slappin' moron who represents you, we have an unending supply of idiocacy to go at you bu$h suporters. But there sits Ashermen and a couple more like him whining every time we point out some of the bullschitt coming from that corrupt administration.

Frank Apisa, one more time I will say that if George bu$h is a Christian I am the Virgin Mother.

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RexRed wrote:

Magginkat wrote:
snood wrote:
You said damn.

Ah but that's different Snood if a rabid right winger says it. That hypocrisy must be getting hard to swallow even for someone like Asherman who has been brainwashed in it till he doesn't know up from down.

Jesus said damn...

Mr 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

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I don't know but the left think Christians are wimps. It must be a Freudian thing... like, transference.

RedRex your biggest problem in trying to tell the left, the liberals, the democrats or anyone who is not a rabid right conservative, what they think is that you don't seem to be sure of what you think. You couldn't possible tell anyone on the left what they think.

You wouldn't know what liberalism was if it walked up and bit you on the butt.

If Jesus of Nazareth was anything, he was an extraordinary friend of the down- trodden, definitely a Liberal, whose advocacy on their behalf so infuriated the ultra-Conservative religious and political leaders of his day that they had him killed to prevent the public from hearing the very liberal teaching that you will see quoted abundantly in Jesus' own words on this web site !
Those who actually know what the Bible says about the life and teaching of Jesus recognize that far from being like Jesus of Nazareth, today's "Religious Right" are much more like the kind of clerics who battled this revolutionary prophet from the day he opened his mouth until the day they had him nailed to a cross. Although these people claim to represent Jesus Christ, they rarely quote his teaching or follow his example. What they do instead is use his name ("in vain") to promote their ideas, ideas which Jesus himself did not teach, and might well have opposed.

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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians
are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas (Mahatma) Gandhi

www.LiberalsLikeChrist.org

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cicerone imposter wrote:

They already have (twisted the whole fear rhetoric):

Friends,
The headline, from the London Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2260922,00.html) said: FBI foils al-Qaeda plot to flood Wall Street
Are you also getting tired of these non-stories that seem to be designed only to keep people in a state of fear?
To summarize the actual facts reported in this so-important story (that Ill bet got a lot of air time on the TV so-called news programs):
1) The alleged plot actually was a discussion in an internet chat rooms used by extremists (whatever that means).
2) None of the plotters were in the United States or had ever been.

3) There was no evidence that any money was sent or explosives bought.

4) Perhaps the funniest thing is that the plot supposedly was to drown the tip of the island by blowing up underwater tunnels whose ends were, of course, higher than the water level. FBI officials said that the plot had been in its planning stages. Thats some planning. No doubt the FBI also found evidence that someone somewhere was thinking about providing them with high-pressure pumps and a team of terrorists with buckets.

5) And you have to love this sentence, which at first reading seems to say something. FBI officials said that information gleaned from the internet suggested that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq who was killed by a US bomb last month, had agreed to back the plot financially. What this actually says is nothing! FBI officials said, information from the net suggested in other words, hearsay, speculation. Gossip, in short. An honest grand jury would laugh this away if it came to them as a request for an indictment.

Where is P.T. Barnum when you need him? The obvious answer is, the man who said theres a sucker born every minute is working for the U.S. government, and no doubt drawing a good salary.

Frank

FBI foils al-Qaeda plot to flood Wall Street
From Tim Reid, in Washington
A PLOT by foreign terrorists to bomb underground train and road tunnels in New York with the aim of flooding the Wall Street financial district has been thwarted, the FBI said yesterday.
The main target of the Islamic extremists, one of whom is an al-Qaeda member and under arrest in Beirut , was the Holland Tunnel, the main road link between Manhattan and New Jersey that runs under the Hudson River . It carried almost 35 million vehicles in 2005.
The alleged plot was discovered during monitoring of internet chat rooms used by extremists. It also involved bombing the New York subway.

Mark J. Mershon, the assistant director in charge of the FBIs New York field office, said that there were eight principal players in the plot. Three were in custody abroad and six nations had been involved in the investigation, he added. None of the plotters had ever been in the US or obtained materials to stage an attack.

The FBI added that the plotters had discussed driving vehicles laden with explosives into several tunnels around Manhattan and then blowing them up.

Mr Mershon said that the plot would have involved martyrdom, explosives in some of the tunnels that connected New Jersey and Manhattan . Earlier, FBI officials said that information gleaned from the internet suggested that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq who was killed by a US bomb last month, had agreed to back the plot financially. But there was no evidence that any money was sent or explosives bought.

One suspect, a Lebanese native, known as Amir al-Andalousi and an al-Qaeda member, was arrested in Beirut a month ago on the request of US authorities. Lebanese officials said that his real name was Assem Hammoud, and that he had confessed. He was planning to travel to Pakistan for four months training and that the date for the attack was decided to be late 2006, the Lebanese Interior Ministry said in a statement.

FBI officials said that the plot had been in its planning stages. The timetable for the attack was October or November. It was also pointed out that any plan to flood Wall Street would have failed because Lower Manhattan lies above the level of the Hudson River .

I have a bridge to sell in Montana; anyone interested?

So only a few hundred New Yorkers instead of hundreds of thousands of them would be killed. And that is acceptable to you? So you say our government should leave us in the dark so the left can say after the attack, why weren't we told!

And the London and Madrid bombing were a myth and the WTC was caused by our own government. (sarcasm)

The left screams "George Bush is the anti-Christ" but the left don't believe in Jesus Christ anyway! So who is anti-Christ? If the left could connect two coherent thoughts they would be dangerous to themselves.

This stuff you post is starting to resemble the comedy on the late night shows CI. This left wing spew is more comedy than truth.

This is why the dems will not be taken seriously in the next election.

The more you post of this garbage the more votes the left loses.

Instead of the left confusing themselves over big words like "anti-Christ" the might be practicing on how to punch the correct holes in a voting ballot.

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Magginkat wrote:

snood wrote:
People can be for the Iraq War and not all be heartless baby killing imperialists.

People can be antiwar and not all be American hating terrorist sympathizers.

The hyperbole gets real old.

Should we tell Red Rx that there are no insurgents? These are people fighting to get the occupiers out of their country. The poor people of Iraq had a much better life under Dictator Saddam than they do under Dictator George.

Saddam was more truthful than dictator george too. When he murdered people he just flatass murdered them. When Dictator george murders them he calls it bringing on Democracy.

Snood is absolutely correct: Not all antiwar leftists are America-hating terrorist sympathizers.

But you certainly appear to be one.

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Now let's see how the rabid right try to twist that post.

See above.

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Here are some of Kerry's accomplishments.

2002
1. Massachusetts Telecommunications Council "Policy Maker of the Year"
2. NAM Vets of Cape Cod and Islands Award For Significant and Exemplary Support Rendered To Veterans of This Country and of the Cape and Islands
3. John W. McCormick Award for Public Service

2001
1. June 21, 2002
Parents for Residential Reform, Mass Families Organizing for Change and the Federation for Children with Special Needs presented The Powerful Friend Recognition Award to Senator Kerry "for his outstanding leadership and national voice on behalf of children with disabilities and their families".
2. Visiting Nurse Association of America's "Legislator of the Year"
3. Gerry Studds Stewardship Award from the Boston Harbor Island Alliance for his work to preserve the Boston Harbor Islands
4. Institute of International Education's "Steven P. Duggan Award for International Understanding" for lifetime achievement in public service and leadership in the U.S. Senate

2000
1. Massachusetts Association of Home Health Care's "Legislator of the Year"
2. American Jewish Committee's "Congressional Leadership Award" for efforts on religious freedom in the workplace

1999
1. Friends of the Public Garden's "Henry Lee Award" for efforts to preserve Boston's green spaces

1998
1. "Zero to Three" Association's "Achievement Award" for work on early childhood development issues
2. Association for Enterprise's "Leadership Award" for leadership on the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship
3. Assumption College's "Presidential Medal"

1997
1. National Health Association's "Legislator of the Year Award" for support of expanded child care and attention for at-risk children. Sponsored 1997 Early Childhood Development Act

1996
1. Armenian Assembly of America's Award for service and commitment to the Armenian people. John Kerry was co-sponsor of Humanitarian Aid Corridor Act, providing aid to Armenia and other nations
2. Time Magazine's "Honest Man in Politics Award" f or being only Senator up for reelection in 1996 to vote against Defense of Marriage Act

1995
1. Environmental Business Council Paul Keogh Award June 9, 1995 for distinguished commitment to environmental industries

1993
1. Tri-Community Chamber of Commerce George B. Wells Award December 7, 1993 for leadership in tourism

1990
1. Minority Business Enterprise Legal Defense Fund "Minority Business Development Trendsetter of the Year" June 17, 1990
2. SMU Labor Education Center Arnold M. Dubin Award November 15, 1990 for outstanding contributions to the causes of labor and social justice

1998
1. League of Conservation Voters Award honored for having one of the best For environmental voting record over previous 5 years

1988
1. Commencement speaker for Umass/Boston 20th Commencement UMass Boston Honorary Degree
2. Brockton Little League's "Appreciation Award" March 7, 1988 for work with special needs division

1986
1. B'nai Brith Council of Greater Boston's "Man of the Year"

1985
1. National Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy Award honored JK at a reception at the Boston Center for Adult Education

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Is there anything in there that has his name on it that he can say he accomplished as an elected representative to Congress that made anybody's life better? Just receiving obligatory awards and/or showing up to vote is okay, but it can hardly be counted as a personal accomplishment.

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Magginkat wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The left are (for the most part) anti-Christ and anti-American...

There is nothing more anti-Christ than the American conservative agenda. Anyone who calls him/herself a Christian...especially the folks who make a big display of it...who identifies him/herself as an American conservative...is spitting in the face of Jesus.

I have my gripes with the conservative agenda too.. But the left are more fun to pick on...

Then why do you bellyache when we pick on you? With a leader like that silly back slappin' moron who represents you, we have an unending supply of idiocacy to go at you bu$h suporters. But there sits Ashermen and a couple more like him whining every time we point out some of the bullschitt coming from that corrupt administration.

Frank Apisa, one more time I will say that if George bu$h is a Christian I am the Virgin Mother.

You are the virgin mother of special interest lies...

I am not belly aching... I am just shoveling it back in your court. There is no shortage of crap to toss back your way considering the left and their policies based on the old mighty special interest dollar bill.

I will tell you a solid policy as a moderate conservative policy I firmly believe in.

I believe in a woman's right to choose... UNTIL it comes to abortion number five or six! Until abortion becomes another form of contraceptive!

Then I believe these females and males who kill the unborn thoughtlessly because they want to be promiscuous and don't get their tubes tired or a vasectomy for their husband... Well, they should be listed on the internet with pedophiles.

This anonymous abortion of the left is nothing but a smoke screen for "abuse" and well, disregard for human life.

Leave it to the left to be the front runners in this debate over what they call "choice" I call it murder as contraception.

And abortion due to rape or health problems SURE. But there is no stop on the practice. Our doctors are now becoming executioners of the unborn and unwanted instead of healers. Just so some godless heteros can get their thrills!

I do not even consider a baby alive until they take their first breath but I still object to abortion used simply as contraception.

Unlike you who just believe in "choice" without an independent thought because that is what your special interest guru's tell you to believe.

You are nothing but a drone...

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It seems Kerry's biggest accomplishment is he's got a lot of liberals enamored with him.

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Advocate wrote:

Here are some of Kerry's accomplishments.

2002
1. Massachusetts Telecommunications Council "Policy Maker of the Year"
2. NAM Vets of Cape Cod and Islands Award For Significant and Exemplary Support Rendered To Veterans of This Country and of the Cape and Islands
3. John W. McCormick Award for Public Service

2001
1. June 21, 2002
Parents for Residential Reform, Mass Families Organizing for Change and the Federation for Children with Special Needs presented The Powerful Friend Recognition Award to Senator Kerry "for his outstanding leadership and national voice on behalf of children with disabilities and their families".
2. Visiting Nurse Association of America's "Legislator of the Year"
3. Gerry Studds Stewardship Award from the Boston Harbor Island Alliance for his work to preserve the Boston Harbor Islands
4. Institute of International Education's "Steven P. Duggan Award for International Understanding" for lifetime achievement in public service and leadership in the U.S. Senate

2000
1. Massachusetts Association of Home Health Care's "Legislator of the Year"
2. American Jewish Committee's "Congressional Leadership Award" for efforts on religious freedom in the workplace

1999
1. Friends of the Public Garden's "Henry Lee Award" for efforts to preserve Boston's green spaces

1998
1. "Zero to Three" Association's "Achievement Award" for work on early childhood development issues
2. Association for Enterprise's "Leadership Award" for leadership on the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship
3. Assumption College's "Presidential Medal"

1997
1. National Health Association's "Legislator of the Year Award" for support of expanded child care and attention for at-risk children. Sponsored 1997 Early Childhood Development Act

1996
1. Armenian Assembly of America's Award for service and commitment to the Armenian people. John Kerry was co-sponsor of Humanitarian Aid Corridor Act, providing aid to Armenia and other nations
2. Time Magazine's "Honest Man in Politics Award" f or being only Senator up for reelection in 1996 to vote against Defense of Marriage Act

1995
1. Environmental Business Council Paul Keogh Award June 9, 1995 for distinguished commitment to environmental industries

1993
1. Tri-Community Chamber of Commerce George B. Wells Award December 7, 1993 for leadership in tourism

1990
1. Minority Business Enterprise Legal Defense Fund "Minority Business Development Trendsetter of the Year" June 17, 1990
2. SMU Labor Education Center Arnold M. Dubin Award November 15, 1990 for outstanding contributions to the causes of labor and social justice

1998
1. League of Conservation Voters Award honored for having one of the best For environmental voting record over previous 5 years

1988
1. Commencement speaker for Umass/Boston 20th Commencement UMass Boston Honorary Degree
2. Brockton Little League's "Appreciation Award" March 7, 1988 for work with special needs division

1986
1. B'nai Brith Council of Greater Boston's "Man of the Year"

1985
1. National Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy Award honored JK at a reception at the Boston Center for Adult Education

All left wingers patting themselves on the back.

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Kerry has probably voted thousands of times. I suggest that you check his voting record.

Keep in mind that he was in the minority for most of the time in congress. For instance, it is virtually impossible for a Dem to have a bill even voted upon.

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Advocate wrote:

Kerry has probably voted thousands of times. I suggest that you check his voting record.

Keep in mind that he was in the minority for most of the time in congress. For instance, it is virtually impossible for a Dem to have a bill even voted upon.

Really? The other Senator from Massachusetts doesn't seem to have any problem getting his names on bills that actually do something. Or numerous other Democrat senators seem to be able to have their stuff voted on. Why is Kerry more of a minority than they are?

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Can you support that? For instance, how many bills, that were enacted, were introduced by Kennedy while in the minority?

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Advocate wrote:

Kerry has probably voted thousands of times. I suggest that you check his voting record.

Sure he has. That's kinda part of the job description of a Senator, isn't it? Voting?

One can peruse Kerry's voting record ... HERE, if one were so inclined (and bored).

But I guess with that in mind, we can point to all of the official documents signed by Bush during his Presidency as indicative of all his accomplishments? What about all the speeches Bush has made? Do they get added to Bush's list of "accomplishments"?

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Keep in mind that he was in the minority for most of the time in congress. For instance, it is virtually impossible for a Dem to have a bill even voted upon.

What does that have to do with your claim that Kerry has a "mountain of accomplishments"?

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