Oh, yaaasss, that makes a big difference, the bombs and bio-weapons, into whether or not we as a nation ought to hold to our principles.
The supporters of Bush often refer to their values, but these days it is apparent that amongst those values are the acceptance not only of torture as legitimate but also pre-emptive war, the dissolution of the First, Fourth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments as well as, if they can get it, the installation of a theocracy to govern us all till Jesus comes.
Joe(No, thanks, no lobotomy for me.)Nation
Really? I didn't know that. Do you have some evidence as to the destruction of the First, Fourth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendment. the installation of a theocracy and the acceptance of torture as legitmate and a pre-empitve war?
I never saw any. In fact, on the ACLU site I see no cases going to the Supreme Court on these "evils"> Do you really think the ACLU is falling asleep at the switch?
When You find a case going to the USSC on any of the doubtful points you have noted( did you get those from Move ON?) let me know. Other wise, they are just partisan blah-blah!!!
Frank Apisa wrote:Quote:I support Bush because even though he isnt perfect,and even though he makes mistakes,he is doing what he thinks is right.
I will ALWAYS support a person that does that.
I noted that Hitler would have loved him for that.
Someone else noted that Saddam Hussein would love him also.
And I think those were silly bits of hyperbole that should have deservedly triggered Godwin's Law.
BernardR wrote:Mr. Candidone is, I am afraid, most inaccurate.
First of all, He indicates that President Bush is supported by a "slim margin"of people.
The last real show of support( unless you include the unofficial and mostly distorted polls) was in 2004--That was 17 months ago--the slim margin that Mr. Candidone refers to was 62,040,610 to John Kerry's 59,028,111.
I don't think anyone would call that a slim margin.
3 012 499 votes
would be considerd a slim margin when we're referring to 121 068 721 total votes cast.
Surely you would not call the Superbowl a blowout if the final score was 62-59?...nor would you recognize one of your children as an intellectual superior if they received 62/121 and the other only 59/121 on a departmental exam.
Only the most blind partisan and Bush propagandist would claim the 2004 victory was
not a slim margin.
BernardR wrote:I have read Mr. Franklin's aphorism several times. I do not agree with his aphorism since in his day, there were no Nuclear Bombs and Chemical and Biological Warfare were, if not totally unknown, of such a level that they were not deadly to millions of people.
I do hope that you will write to the Canadian Mounted Police for violating the rights of their citizens by listening on phone conversations.
How shocking!
I thought you were above this sort of discussion Bernard, but FYI, I am an active opponent of the Harper administration.
mysteryman wrote:
I will try to clarify what I meant.
I do not unconditionally support anyone.
I dont "unconditionally" support Bush,and I have listed some of the reasons why.
The comments made that Hitler or Saddam would have loved me are stupid,meaningless posts made by people that have the brains of rocks,and read what they want to read,instead of what was written.
I support him when his actions deserve support.
I dont support him when his actions dont warrant it.
I fail to see how that is any different then those on the left that support their candidates.
I guess you just threw some of for a loop when you said this:
mysteryman wrote:even though he makes mistakes,he is doing what he thinks is right.
I will ALWAYS support a person that does that......
as long as he is doing what he thinks is right,I will support that.
That goes for ANY political figure,or any person at all.
See where the confusion would have come from?
To take a less extreme position, and by virtue of the statements you have made, you would have supported Clinton by the very fact that he was doing what he thought was right.
nimh wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Quote:I support Bush because even though he isnt perfect,and even though he makes mistakes,he is doing what he thinks is right.
I will ALWAYS support a person that does that.
I noted that Hitler would have loved him for that.
Someone else noted that Saddam Hussein would love him also.
And I think those were silly bits of hyperbole that should have deservedly triggered Godwin's Law.
Yeah, well...you simply do not think very clearly....so I can understand it.
candidone1 wrote:mysteryman wrote:
I will try to clarify what I meant.
I do not unconditionally support anyone.
I dont "unconditionally" support Bush,and I have listed some of the reasons why.
The comments made that Hitler or Saddam would have loved me are stupid,meaningless posts made by people that have the brains of rocks,and read what they want to read,instead of what was written.
I support him when his actions deserve support.
I dont support him when his actions dont warrant it.
I fail to see how that is any different then those on the left that support their candidates.
I guess you just threw some of for a loop when you said this:
mysteryman wrote:even though he makes mistakes,he is doing what he thinks is right.
I will ALWAYS support a person that does that......
as long as he is doing what he thinks is right,I will support that.
That goes for ANY political figure,or any person at all.
See where the confusion would have come from?
To take a less extreme position, and by virtue of the statements you have made, you would have supported Clinton by the very fact that he was doing what he thought was right.
I would have,and I did.
But that does not mean that I wont criticize what I thtink is being done wrong,or that I will blindly follow and agree with everything.
Much respect then MM.
I would hate to think that there are people who are "born republican and will die a republican", regardless of "what the facts are".
Mr. Candidone, You may very well be an active opponent of the Harper Administration. Bless you. But are you trying to tell me that the newspaper accounts I read were inaccurate? Here is one. At least one member of a group of terrorists plotted to storm Canada's parliament and behead officials including the Prime Minister, if Muslim prisoners in Canada and Afghanistan were not released?
Source. Chicago Sun Times June 7th P. 38
Are you saying that the Canadian Intelligence Agent, Luc Portelance, was misquoted when he said, the group's members "appear to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by Al Qadea"
Source- Chicago Tribune--June 7th P. 9
BUT MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL- ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CANADIAN AUTHORIES DID NOT USE WIRETAPS? I thought that only the most "evil" ones, like President Bush, used wire taps--I am shocked- shocked.
Indeed, according to the editorial in the Chicago Tribune-June 8, 2006-the Canadian Authorities reportedly had been tracking the group through e-mail (gasp), Internet Chat Rooms( horrors) and telephone conversations( incredible intrusions).
The Islamo-Fascist fanatic would be killers plotted to use three tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer IN A SERIES OF EXPLOSIVE ATTACKS ON THE PARLIAMENT IN OTTAWA AND ON OTHER HIGH PROFILE TARGETS.
The Tribune Editorial continues:
"How close were the attacks? quote- Mike McDonnell.deputy commissioner for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police--"It came to a point where our concern for the safety and security of the public far outweighed our appetite for collecting evidence"
It is comforting that the Canadian government does not have the same kind of politicians we have on the Democratic side. I am sure that Dick Turban, Democrat Senator in Illinois and the next in line to Senator Reid, would have made some kind of strictly partisan attack( aiming at only political advantage at the polls in November) by saying: A Dictatorial intrusion on the rights of the American people. Why is the Bush administration listening on Grandmother's phone calls.
Or, the charming and ever poised Nancy Pelosi, who would doubtedless declare her shock at the idea of an agency which was doing things in "secret"
As the Tribune Article concludes----"IMAGINE THE DESTRUCTION IF A SERIES OF BLASTS OCCURRED TODAY, IMAGINE THE PUBLIC MOURNING AND RECRIMINATIONS"
Yes, I can imagine that Durbin, Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, Lahey, Biden, Kennedy, and Barney Frank would all cry out simultaneously-
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAS FAILED TO PROTECT US-----and, as hypocrites, they would never mention that they have done everything they could to block the Bush Administration from gathering the information needed to prevent such a horror from occurring!
The Canadians are to be commended. They put the well being of the country before political considerations!
THREAD TITLE:
WHY DO YOU SUPPORT BUSH?
Get on topic or go away.
I support Bush because he has called for methods which have been utilized by the Canadians in their latest coup against the Islamo-Fascist fanatic murderers. The Canadians have, according to news reports, and, specifically an Editorial in the Chicago Tribune said that "Canadian authorities reportedly had been tracking the group through E-MAIL, INTERNET CHAT ROOMS AND TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS"
I support Bush because he wants to do the same thing that the Canadians did to prevent their Parliament from being blown up!!
candidone1 wrote:THREAD TITLE:
WHY DO YOU SUPPORT BUSH?
Get on topic or go away.
Seems like many of your fellow Canadians also support Bush and the evil tactics he used against the terrorists.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1150149009497&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154
"The treatment of the suspects, accused of plotting a number of terrorist strikes in Ontario that allegedly included bombings and taking senior politicians hostage, "constitutes torture," lawyer Rocco Galati said outside the court.
"That torture includes being kept in a room that's lit 24 hours a day, being woken up every half-hour, being beaten by the guards, on and on and on," said Galati, who represents Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, a 21-year-old health sciences graduate of McMaster University.
The solitary confinement cells in which the men and youths are housed at the Maplehurst Correctional Complex in Milton are a scant 3.4 metres by 1.8 metres, are sealed by a concrete door with only a small slit for meal delivery, and have no windows, said lawyer David Kolinsky."
The fact that its happening in Canada by a Canadian administration is an embarassment, and an even more outrageous incident due to our relatively peaceful and diplomatic history.
The Harper administration will do anything to curry favor with the Bush administration, and that includes following the examples made in the past by Washington.
BernardR wrote:I support Bush because he has called for methods which have been utilized by the Canadians in their latest coup against the Islamo-Fascist fanatic murderers.
You have this backwards Bernard.
Bush first employed the tactics, Harper, being the good neoconservative in training mimics Washington's every move.
candidone1 wrote:The fact that its happening in Canada by a Canadian administration is an embarassment, and an even more outrageous incident due to our relatively peaceful and diplomatic history.
The Harper administration will do anything to curry favor with the Bush administration, and that includes following the examples made in the past by Washington.
And you actually believe they are being "beaten up" by the guards?
You believe being held in confinement is tourture?
YOU are why many people support Bush. YOU would prefer these scumbags be put up at the Four Seasons Hotel?
woiyo wrote:candidone1 wrote:The fact that its happening in Canada by a Canadian administration is an embarassment, and an even more outrageous incident due to our relatively peaceful and diplomatic history.
The Harper administration will do anything to curry favor with the Bush administration, and that includes following the examples made in the past by Washington.
And you actually believe they are being "beaten up" by the guards?
You believe being held in confinement is tourture?
YOU are why many people support Bush. YOU would prefer these scumbags be put up at the Four Seasons Hotel?
To be fair, I doubt they prefer the four season's. An econo-lodge perhaps, but nothing too luxurious.
I would just hope that Canada, and the authorities in charge in this matter would adhere to international conventions, and maintain strict adherence to international law regarding the treatment of prisoners of any type.
There is a reason we have a justice system, and that is to have punishments meted out by the courts.
