Fight the U.N. Gun Ban

Did Craven ever get his nuke?

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Look out boys! The black helicopters are coming to take you away!

Loons.

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I believe Craven did get a noclear device . . . he bought it from McG . . .

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Setanta wrote:

I believe Craven did get a noclear device . . . he bought it from McG . . .

That was a nuculur device and was supposed to have been kept hush-hush.

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Well, the cat's outta the bag now . . .

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Re: Fight the U.N. Gun Ban

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Over our July 4th holiday, on American soil, they are preparing to enact a legally-binding treaty that would give the U.N. unchallengeable power to ban civilian ownership of ALL firearms.

Actually this is just a gun registration treaty. The UN won't push their ban for a while yet.

Its not even a registration requirement.. The only thing it requires for identifying guns is a serial number..

It's been awhile since I reviewed it, but I thought it wanted the governments to set up a system to keep track of the numbers so the guns could be traced.

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blacksmithn wrote:

oralloy wrote:
blacksmithn wrote:
oralloy wrote:
blacksmithn wrote:
When it comes to idiocy, I'm downright prejudiced.

You're in the minority. Most Americans don't find freedom idiotic.

"Most Americans" isn't a category represented by a few lunatics who needlessly but obsessively fear blue helmets and black helicopters coming to disarm them.

Never said it was.

You should try not to confuse your bigoted stereotypes with reality.

No, YOU should try not to confuse your paranoid delusions with reality.

I have no paranoid delusions.

I suppose you rely on bigoted stereotypes because of your extra-small cranium.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

this treaty targets the guns that criminals use, not the legal ones.

The problem with that is that their next step will be to classify legitimate weapons as "illegal" and this treaty will then be used to go after the guns of ordinary people.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

Do you really want illegal weapons out there on the market? Tell me that. Do you want illegal weapons out there on the market? Do you?

I for one might, depending on the circumstances.

In a situation where ordinary people were allowed to have adequate weapons, cracking down on the guns held by criminals seems good.

But if they make it illegal for ordinary people to have adequate weapons, I am all for a booming market in illegal weapons.

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

Take a car, for example. Would you want somebody driving a car without a licence? Without insurance? Without having taken lessons? No. Why not? Because they might end up killing themselves and/or other people in an accident.

So why must a gun be exempt from this? Why must a weapon designed to kill be exempt?

It isn't.

The restrictions on carrying a gun in public are almost always more stringent than the restrictions on driving in public.

Vermont would be the one exception I know of off hand.

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McGentrix wrote:

when you utter nonsense like "Do you want illegal weapons out there on the market?" it makes you sound like a ranting fool. illegal weapons? What exactly is an illegal weapon? Is a .357 used by a criminal an illegal weapon? How is that different than a .357 owned by me, a non-criminal? Is that an illegal weapon?

Or, do you mean machine guns? bombs? grenades? noclear warheads?

They will eventually try to make a treaty that expands the definition of "illegal weapon" to include all machine guns, rifles, semi-auto pistols, and revolvers that are owned by civilians.

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If permitted to do so,
the UN will become a one-world government.

That government will then degenerate,
as swiftly as it is able to,
into a despotism employing microsurveillance upon its victims.

Despots desire unarmed victims.

David

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It was tuff enuf
to get rid of the Hanoverian Dynasty in the 1700s.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
parados wrote:
The treaty can be found here..

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/a_res_55/255e.pdf

It seems that LaPierre is in support of criminals based on the what this treaty does.

Quote:
Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and
Trafficking in Firearms, Their Parts and Components
and Ammunition, supplementing the United Nations
Convention against Transnational Organized Crime

Criminals SUPPORT gun control and gun prohibitions,
so that they can have a monopoly of guns
for predatory activity; otherwise,
said predatory activity can be too dangerous for criminals
if their victims are armed in their own defense.
David

You idiot, this treaty targets the guns that criminals use, not the legal ones.

Is it any wonder people hate America when you've got such morons living in your country?

I have stayed out of this,but I gotta ask.
I own 2 pistols,and a rifle.
I have a permit to carry my pistols concealed.
All of my weapons are legal.

If a criminal also has a weapon that was legally purchased how do you know its an "illegal" weapon?
Are the guns criminals use marked differently then the legal ones I own?
Are they painted a different color?
Exactly what is the difference in my weapons and the same type of weapon being used by a criminal?

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

If permitted to do so,
the UN will become a one-world government.

That government will then degenerate,
as swiftly as it is able to,
into a despotism employing microsurveillance upon its victims.

Despots desire unarmed victims.

David

...and they will begin by posting an opreative under everybody's beds.....

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I suggest that listening to everyone's phone calls would be a great way to start...

Oops, looks like that's already covered!

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blacksmithn wrote:

I suggest that listening to everyone's phone calls would be a great way to start...

Oops, looks like that's already covered!

The UN's listening to my phone calls? Drat that Kofi Annan!

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blacksmithn wrote:

I suggest that listening to everyone's phone calls would be a great way to start...

Oops, looks like that's already covered!

Yes, and the photografic cameras are a growing presence.

Note that theses methods of surveillance
can be justified by non-threatening explanations
which are POPULAR, for instance,
we all know that running red lites cause unnecessary traffic collisions,
resulting in personal injuries, loss of life and property damages,
so EMBRACE the cameras.

We don 't want the Moslems blowing up more places,
so EMBRACE more fone tapping.

An acquaintance of mine was an undertaker,
who informed me that he found a disproportionate number
of his new customers, fallen into their toilets,
locked in their bathrooms,
so for emergency purposes EMBRACE cameras in everyone 's bathrooms.

Sometimes burglars break into people 's bedrooms at nite,
so EMBRACE cameras there too.

Let us take note of the fact
that improvements of technology have enabled means of
microsurveillance to advance by leaps n bounds.
We don 't want child abuse,
so EMBRACE secret cameras on babysitters.

How about dishonest accountants ?
EMBRACE cameras on them too, as thay work.

The net result
is that government will know ( progressively more n more )
where everyone is and what he is doing.

History has shown that it is the human nature of politicians
to craft and sculpt whichever society thay are in,
by chipping away the personal freedom of the citizens; seldom in restoring it.

IT WAS TUFF ENUF to throw out the King of England
from America, when he had no knowledge
( or less knowledge )
of what the Revolutionaries were doing.
If a world wide despotism slowly, incrementally, comes upon us,
I doubt that it will be POSSIBLE to overthrow it,
regardless of the degree of anyone personal bravery.

Having an unarmed, defenseless citizenry
will only make it easier for despotism to have its way, unimpeded.
David

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
parados wrote:
The treaty can be found here..

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/a_res_55/255e.pdf

It seems that LaPierre is in support of criminals based on the what this treaty does.

Quote:
Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and
Trafficking in Firearms, Their Parts and Components
and Ammunition, supplementing the United Nations
Convention against Transnational Organized Crime

Criminals SUPPORT gun control and gun prohibitions,
so that they can have a monopoly of guns
for predatory activity; otherwise,
said predatory activity can be too dangerous for criminals
if their victims are armed in their own defense.
David

Quote:

You idiot, this treaty targets the guns that criminals use, not the legal ones.

U idiot,
we all share the same pool of guns.

There is NO DISTINCTION between guns that criminals use
and those that the rest of us use.

Note that a future despotic UN
will define anyone in possession of a gun ( or any means of resisting UN power )
as being a " criminal."

Quote:

Is it any wonder people hate America when you've got such morons living in your country?

The DECENT people
of the world do not hate America;
ONLY the filthy collectivist-authoritarians
( such as commies, nazis, or other socialists ) do.
Thay are beneath contempt
and we take no cognizance of their opinions.
David

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blacksmithn wrote:

Look out boys! The black helicopters are coming to take you away!

Loons.

Blacksmith,
OVERCONFIDENCE in the stability, security n perpetuity
of our freedom
is not necessarily the best approach to preserving it.
David

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It's funny. I am on the far left spectrum of politics but then on some things on the far right I am right there with them.

Has anybody seen people on T.V. fighting the government with rocks?

Jello Biafra says "This could be anywhere"

Meaning the things that have happened throughout history can happen here too. I think gun control will be pushed more and more.

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