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There was also a guy in AL who killed a bunch of people with his legally acquired weapons. In Europe, where it is difficult to keep guns, their murder rate is a tiny fraction of ours.

Yeah, but their tyranny rate is a lot higher. Guns in private hands prevent tyranny

Switzerland may be the exception that proved the rule.
The country is different inasmuch the people of very well educated and there is virtually no poverty.
This may account for the low gun violence.

Switzerland is also a Republic and the citizens would not tolerate the likes of Obama and his ilk.

H2O MAN wrote:

Switzerland is also a Republic and the citizens would not tolerate the likes of Obama and his ilk.

Switzerland is no republic but a conferation - that's why it's called Swiss Conferation. (Since 1291)

The Swiss speak many languages.

H2O MAN wrote:

Switzerland is also a Republic and the citizens would not tolerate the likes of Obama and his ilk.

Switzerland is no republic but a conferation - that's why it's called Swiss Conferation. (Since 1291)

They've got -despite what Americans like to think - nearly the very weapon laws like any other European country (they are a Schengen country since 2009): only one weapon may be purchased per weapon acquisition permit, imitations of real guns, airsoft guns etc are forbidden, private gun trade is nearly totally forbidden, foreigners must have a Swiss (or European) weapon allowance ... ... ...

There was also a guy in AL who killed a bunch of people with his legally acquired weapons. In Europe, where it is difficult to keep guns, their murder rate is a tiny fraction of ours.

Those weapon acquisition permits are easy enough to get. All you need is to pass a background check.

Once you pass a background check and get your acquisition permit, you can use it to buy a semi-auto rifle, semi-auto shotgun, or semi-auto pistol.

And you can buy bolt-action rifles and double-barreled shotguns without needing any background check or acquisition permit.


At least, that is what it was like a few years ago. I didn't check for updated gun laws, but I wouldn't expect any radical changes.


But all that is about non-militia gun ownership. It does not take into account the most important aspect of Switzerland: the Swiss Militia. A huge number of Swiss Militiamen keep fully automatic rifles in their homes.

oralloy wrote:

Those weapon acquisition permits are easy enough to get. All you need is to pass a background check.

Once you pass a background check and get your acquisition permit, you can use it to buy a semi-auto rifle, semi-auto shotgun, or semi-auto pistol.

And you can buy bolt-action rifles and double-barreled shotguns without needing any background check or acquisition permit.


At least, that is what it was like a few years ago. I didn't check for updated gun laws, but I wouldn't expect any radical changes.


But all that is about non-militia gun ownership. It does not take into account the most important aspect of Switzerland: the Swiss Militia. A huge number of Swiss Militiamen keep fully automatic rifles in their homes.

I wonder why you didn't notice my remark that the Swiss weapon law is no the same as in any other .... European Schengen country.

The Swiss Army is NO militia is it is generally understood but a mixture of very few professional and regular soldiers with additionally up to 95% soldiers doing compulsary service.
And since that's done over a couple of years - they have their one regular gun at home. (I had a weapon at home durting my reservist's period in Germany, too.)


This has nothing to due with weapon laws but the unique situation of the Swiss military.

It does now say that if the gun isn't for hunting or sport shooting that people need to state their reason for acquiring the weapon, but it doesn't exclude "home defense" from the possible reasons people can give.
It also looks like there are no prohibitions against semi-auto weapons.

And it also looks like the exemption for double barreled shotguns and bolt-action rifles is still there. They now require such sales to be reported to the government, but no weapons acquisition permit.

Actually, the Swiss military is the epitome of what a militia is supposed to be. It matches what our Founding Fathers wanted us to have in America in every respect.

oralloy wrote:

It does now say that if the gun isn't for hunting or sport shooting that people need to state their reason for acquiring the weapon, but it doesn't exclude "home defense" from the possible reasons people can give.
It also looks like there are no prohibitions against semi-auto weapons.

And it also looks like the exemption for double barreled shotguns and bolt-action rifles is still there. They now require such sales to be reported to the government, but no weapons acquisition permit.

Well, that's nearly 100% the very same like in .... more than a dozen other European countries: here explicitly the Schengen countries (e.g. Germany).

oralloy wrote:

Actually, the Swiss military is the epitome of what a militia is supposed to be. It matches what our Founding Fathers wanted us to have in America in every respect.

The founding fathers wanted mandatory conscripts? Sure?

Interestingly, there was a widespread belief (until recently) that the Nazis were afraid to invade Switzerland because all the people there were armed. We now know that the Swiss were useful tools of the Nazis, being their bankers.

And certainly that's the very same reason why none of the allies invaded Switzerland?

How silly! Switzerland was neutral. There was no reason for one of the allies to invade.

It's really the UK that has the draconian gun laws.