Fight the U.N. Gun Ban

The political force behind " gun control "
is the force behind collectivist despotism.

Hitler was very proud of his Gun Control Act of 1938.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

The political force behind " gun control "
is the force behind collectivist despotism.

Hitler was very proud of his Gun Control Act of 1938.

If what you say is true then why is it those on the left that are pushing for gun control the most. They are the leaders in the restriction of the 2nd Amendment. Would they support a UN law that made weapons illegal and then also support a left wing President who would also try and push for stronger gun control. I said this back on about page 2 or so but was ignored.

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Hmm... I started reading the thread from the start and was planning on jumping in, but somewhere around the end it took a turn for the wierd.

Time walk out the door backwards very, very slowly...

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This isn't a gun control treaty.

It is an illegal trafficking in guns treaty.

It asks that countries LICENSE gun manufacturers, all guns manufactured have identification like a serial number and the countries have inport/export laws that prevent selling guns illegally. I am sure your guns have their serial numbers on them MM. If a criminal doesn't have the serial number then he would be in violation of US law and the treaty. If someone were to bring a gun into the US without declaring it to US customs they would be in violation of US law and the treaty. There is nothing in the treaty that isn't already more restrictive under US law. You can't export weapons from the US without a license. You can't manufacture without a license.

Anyone that opposes this treaty might as well say they support states that sell weapons to terrorists. That is why the treaty was designed and what it says if you bothered to read it.

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parados wrote:

This isn't a gun control treaty.

It is an illegal trafficking in guns treaty.

It asks that countries LICENSE gun manufacturers, all guns manufactured have identification like a serial number and the countries have inport/export laws that prevent selling guns illegally. I am sure your guns have their serial numbers on them MM. If a criminal doesn't have the serial number then he would be in violation of US law and the treaty. If someone were to bring a gun into the US without declaring it to US customs they would be in violation of US law and the treaty. There is nothing in the treaty that isn't already more restrictive under US law. You can't export weapons from the US without a license. You can't manufacture without a license.

Anyone that opposes this treaty might as well say they support states that sell weapons to terrorists. That is why the treaty was designed and what it says if you bothered to read it.

I'm not the one complaining about the treaty.
I just asked what the difference is between a legal gun and ones the criminals use.
Unless a serial number is filed off,how do you tell the difference?

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mysteryman wrote:

I just asked what the difference is between a legal gun and ones the criminals use.
Unless a serial number is filed off,how do you tell the difference?

There is no way you could possibly be this stupid. Please tell me your joking.

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Yes, it is possible to be that stupid. (please note the twice elected president Bush)

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JustanObserver wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
I just asked what the difference is between a legal gun and ones the criminals use.
Unless a serial number is filed off,how do you tell the difference?

There is no way you could possibly be this stupid. Please tell me your joking.

I was quoting wolf o'donnell

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You idiot, this treaty targets the guns that criminals use, not the legal ones.

So I ask the question again.
If the weapon is unmodified,and the serial number is intact,whats the difference between a legal gun and a gun that criminals use?
ARe they painted different?
Are they marked different?

How do I tell the differrence at my local gun store between a legal gun and one reserved for criminals?

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THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
U.N. seeking global gun-control?
Conference moving toward plan that would regulate U.S. arms

Posted: July 16, 2003

A U.N. group is working toward establishment of an international system to register and regulate civilian possession of firearms, according to a former congressman.

The ultimate aim of many members of the conference on small arms is to outlaw personal ownership of guns altogether, said Georgia Republican Bob Barr in an interview yesterday on the newly syndicated WorldNetDaily Report with Joseph Farah.

"The presence of several anti-gun groups at this and other related conferences underscores the threat they pose to the constitutional rights of American citizens if we fail to closely monitor their activities," Barr said in a statement. "In fact, many of these groups receive substantial funding from anti-firearms governments to move their agenda."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33584

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mysteryman wrote:

ARe they painted different?
Are they marked different?

How do I tell the differrence at my local gun store between a legal gun and one reserved for criminals?

Yes. Legal guns are all black. Guns "reserved for criminals" are fuchia with purple stripes. As for markings, legal guns say "this gun is legal." Criminal guns say "this gun is to be used for illegal activities only."

There. You got your answers. Now will you please stop this idiotic line of questioning, you f*cking moron?

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JustanObserver wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

ARe they painted different?
Are they marked different?

How do I tell the differrence at my local gun store between a legal gun and one reserved for criminals?

Yes. Legal guns are all black. Guns "reserved for criminals" are fuchia with purple stripes. As for markings, legal guns say "this gun is legal." Criminal guns say "this gun is to be used for illegal activities only."

There. You got your answers. Now will you please stop this idiotic line of questioning, you f*cking moron?

Lets see,someone on the left makes an idiotic statement,I challenge them on it,and I'm the one thats wrong?

No wonder the left is so silly sometimes,they cant handle when their own stupid statements are challenged.

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Hey, you guys are the one peeing your pants that the UN's gonna come take away your toys. I wouldn't cast stones from the glass house, were I you...

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The U.N. has a long history of disarming populations which are then slaughtered by their own military.

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Really, oh-protector-of-armaments? I must've missed those news reports. Do tell!

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mysteryman wrote:

parados wrote:
This isn't a gun control treaty.

It is an illegal trafficking in guns treaty.

It asks that countries LICENSE gun manufacturers, all guns manufactured have identification like a serial number and the countries have inport/export laws that prevent selling guns illegally. I am sure your guns have their serial numbers on them MM. If a criminal doesn't have the serial number then he would be in violation of US law and the treaty. If someone were to bring a gun into the US without declaring it to US customs they would be in violation of US law and the treaty. There is nothing in the treaty that isn't already more restrictive under US law. You can't export weapons from the US without a license. You can't manufacture without a license.

Anyone that opposes this treaty might as well say they support states that sell weapons to terrorists. That is why the treaty was designed and what it says if you bothered to read it.

I'm not the one complaining about the treaty.
I just asked what the difference is between a legal gun and ones the criminals use.
Unless a serial number is filed off,how do you tell the difference?

Read the treaty and then you might have a clue... the link was posted early in this thread.

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I read the treaty and noted its constant use of the wiggle word "illicit".

If I build an AR-15 in my machine shop at home, would you consider that illicit?

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If I were to change the stock/barrel/receiver/etc., would you consider my weapon to be illicit?

If I put camoflage stick on film over the entire gun and covered up the serial number, would it be illicit?

If I bought a french military surplus rifle with an unreadable serial number from being dropped so many times, would that be illicit?

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Would my semi-auto upland bird shotgun, which holds five rounds, be illicit? I mean, it was made in Belgium, not in the U.S. Sounds pretty illicit to me.

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"Illicit" means "Not permitted or allowed; prohibited or unlawful"

So check the law. If it's not permitted or allowed, if its prohibited, or if its unlawful, then it's illicit. So take any of those questions you had, ask someone who knows the relevant law and there you go.

But will that stop the stream of your absurd questions? Probably not.

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cj,
Illegal is a synonym for illicit.

It all depends on how you got the parts to build your gun.
If you imported them without the proper license, the federal government would consider it illegal.

If you tried to export this weapon you built without the proper license, the federal government would consider it illegal.

If you built 12 of them and sold them without the proper license, the federal government would consider it illegal.

The same reasons that the federal government would consider it illegal are pretty much the same reasons the UN treaty does.

The UN treaty hardly deals with a person building a SINGLE weapon for their personal use. The US government probably doesn't care much if a person builds a single weapon for their personal use. It is when you sell or traffic in weapons you build that you start to break the law.

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