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President Bush: Is He a Liar?

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 09:41 am
I'm not worried about a couple of billion spent on beer and strippers.

I'm worried about the $500 billion spent on killing people....
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 12:34 pm
DrewDad wrote:
I'm not worried about a couple of billion spent on beer and strippers.

I'm worried about the $500 billion spent on killing people....


You're a glass half-empty kind of guy, huh?

You only see the money being spent on killing people. I see the money going towards keeping people alive and free.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 12:51 pm
McGentrix wrote:
I see the money going towards keeping people alive and free.

I suggest you ask for a refund. Iraq is overrun with armed thugs.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 03:53 pm
Drew Dad, as usual, exaggerates egregiously. Iraq is overrun with armed thugs--Since overrun means to swarm over in great numbers and since 14 of 18 IRAQ provinces have no real problem and since the majority of the cowardly attacks take place in the Triangle, a small part of Iraq, and since the Prime Minister has recently had an offer from a large part of the terrorist groups to cease attacks, the comment from Drew Dad is meaningless.

If, as Drew Dad says, Iraq is overrun with armed thugs, then Virginia is overrun with armed thugs even though all of the armed thugs are located in DC!

It just may be wishful thinking on Drew Dad's part..Anything to denigrate the coalition and President Bush!!!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 04:27 pm
Mr Possum, I'm thinking about how your written presentations lack vitality and I would suggest you use more semicolons (Wink this looks far more sophisticated and most readers have no idea as to their proper use anyway. Perhaps by following my advice on this matter you might gain readership (or not); anyway, it might be worth giving a try.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jun, 2006 02:09 pm
Optimist: The glass is half full.

Pessimist: The glass is half empty.

Engineer: The glass is too damn big!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 12:29 am
Just in case you missed this, Drew Dad!!!!

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Drew Dad, as usual, exaggerates egregiously. Iraq is overrun with armed thugs--Since overrun means to swarm over in great numbers and since 14 of 18 IRAQ provinces have no real problem and since the majority of the cowardly attacks take place in the Triangle, a small part of Iraq, and since the Prime Minister has recently had an offer from a large part of the terrorist groups to cease attacks, the comment from Drew Dad is meaningless.

If, as Drew Dad says, Iraq is overrun with armed thugs, then Virginia is overrun with armed thugs even though all of the armed thugs are located in DC!

It just may be wishful thinking on Drew Dad's part..Anything to denigrate the coalition and President Bush!!!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 08:43 am
Armed groups propel Iraq toward chaos

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Reining in Iraq's official and unofficial armies is the most urgent task confronting Iraq's new leaders. In speeches and private conversations, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki says he intends to clamp down on the death squads operating within the Iraqi government, and to disarm the militias that provide the street muscle for Iraq's political parties.

That presages an enormous political battle, one that extends beyond the Interior Ministry's police officers and paramilitary soldiers.

A larger and possibly more decisive struggle looms to disarm myriad other armed groups, including the Shiite militias, most of them answerable to the Shiite political parties that dominate the new government.


Iraqi Militia Groups

Iraq faces up to militia problems

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The US authorities in Iraq are trying to step up pressure on Iraqi politicians to tackle the power of armed militia groups, increasingly seen as one of the main sources of instability and violence.

A senior US military official has called for the Iraqi government to adopt a clearer policy on militias, which the US embassy now dubs "armed gangs", underlining recent criticism of such groups by the US ambassador
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 08:45 am
McGentrix wrote:
You only see the money being spent on killing people. I see the money going towards keeping people alive and free.


Armed groups propel Iraq toward chaos

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Even in a country beset by murder and death, the 16th Brigade represented a new frontier.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 09:02 am
DrewDad, It's useless trying to show the chaos in Iraq. Bush apologists refuse to see the violence that remains active in Iraq - a condition they would not accept in our own country, but it's okay for Iraqis, because they're expendable. Bush supporters think that's democracy.
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 09:20 am
I wonder how many new terrorist this will make?

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U.S. troops accused of killing Iraq family By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer

Five U.S. Army soldiers are being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman, then killing her and three members of her family in Iraq, a U.S. military official told The Associated Press on Friday.

The soldiers also allegedly burned the body of the woman they are accused of raping.

Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of coalition troops in Baghdad, had ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged killing of a family of four in Mahmoudiya, south of Baghdad, the U.S. command said. It did not elaborate.

"The entire investigation will encompass everything that could have happened that evening. We're not releasing any specifics of an ongoing investigation," said military spokesman Maj. Todd Breasseale.

"There is no indication what led soldiers to this home. The investigation just cracked open. We're just beginning to dig into the details."

However, a U.S. official close to the investigation said at least one of the soldiers, all assigned to the 502nd Infantry Regiment, has admitted his role and has been arrested. Two soldiers from the same regiment were slain this month when they were kidnapped at a checkpoint near Youssifiyah.

At least four other soldiers have had their weapons taken away and are confined to Forward Operating Base Mahmoudiyah south of Baghdad. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

The official said the killings appear to be unrelated to the kidnappings but that a soldier felt compelled to report the killings after his fellow soldiers' bodies were found.

The killings appeared to have been a "crime of opportunity," the official said. The soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols.

AP correspondent Ryan Lenz is embedded with the 101st Airborne Division in Beiji, Iraq. He was previously embedded with the 502nd Infantry Regiment in Mahmoudiyah.


Makes you wonder if our military is being run by a bunch of socialist, communist liberals. They should know better then to post BAD NEWS. Only terrorist loving liberals do that.

This type of news should be kept secret. It only helps the terrorist. Why aren't they reporting how many schools they opened today?

Anyway, that's what our beloved superpatriot conservatives keep whining about.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 09:24 am
xingu, That's only a minor incident in the whole scheme of accomplishments by our military!

As you say, how many more suicide bombers did this one minor incident create? But, that's a liberal issue.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 09:24 am
I'm not quite sure what that brought to the current conversation, xingu.

Perhaps you should open a different thread.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 09:26 am
DrewDad, In defence of xingu, it's my personal opinion that the choas created in Iraq has everything to do with Bush's lies. It's called "progress."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 10:13 am
Here's more on Bush's "progress."

Iraqi forces 'committing abuse'

International advisers are accused of ignoring abuses
Iraqi security forces systematically abuse prisoners, a leading US-based human rights group reports.
Unlawful arrests, torture and the long-term isolation of detainees are "routine", Human Rights Watch says.

Of 90 prisoners interviewed by the group since 2003, 72 said they had been abused by the new Iraqi authorities.

Another rights group, the American Civil Liberties Union charges that similar abuses allegedly committed by US soldiers have not been investigated.

The ACLU said it had obtained documents that told "a damning story of widespread torture reaching well beyond the walls of Abu Ghraib", the notorious US-run jail in Iraq.

A spokesman for the US military said the army had aggressively investigated all credible allegations and held soldiers accountable for their actions.

The general in charge of Iraq announced recently that American troops will be reduced beginning this year - even though chaos is the norm in Iraq. Sounds more like a political move rather than "win at all cost" or "stay the course."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 10:14 am
Or when the Iraqi government asks us to leave.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 03:37 pm
Xingu--Were you aware that those soldiers who were accused of murder would be court-martialed?

Are you saying that an army of 130,000 will not have some members who are murderers in a war zone?

Are you saying that the court martial is not an appropriate response by military authorities of ANY COUNTRY when its soldiers committ what might be atrocities?

Are you saying that our Military leaders routinely OVERLOOK charges of gross misbehavior on the part of the US military( If you are, please provide evidence--evidence from propaganda sources is not acceptable-evidence from sources like the Red Cross is indeed acceptable

BUT MOST IMPORTANT- Are you saying that the leaders of the USA are as murderous,vicious, fanatic, barbaric and self righteous as the savage Islamo-Fascist murdering swine who kill all nationalities of hostages by cutting their throats or beheading them WITHOUT EVEN A HEARING OR TRIAL?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 04:31 pm
BernardR wrote:

BUT MOST IMPORTANT- Are you saying that the leaders of the USA are as murderous,vicious, fanatic, barbaric and self righteous as the savage Islamo-Fascist murdering swine who kill all nationalities of hostages by cutting their throats or beheading them WITHOUT EVEN A HEARING OR TRIAL?

By Jove, I believe you've got it at last.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 04:50 pm
BernardR wrote:
Xingu--Were you aware that those soldiers who were accused of murder would be court-martialed?

Are you saying that an army of 130,000 will not have some members who are murderers in a war zone?

Are you saying that the court martial is not an appropriate response by military authorities of ANY COUNTRY when its soldiers committ what might be atrocities?

Are you saying that our Military leaders routinely OVERLOOK charges of gross misbehavior on the part of the US military( If you are, please provide evidence--evidence from propaganda sources is not acceptable-evidence from sources like the Red Cross is indeed acceptable

BUT MOST IMPORTANT- Are you saying that the leaders of the USA are as murderous,vicious, fanatic, barbaric and self righteous as the savage Islamo-Fascist murdering swine who kill all nationalities of hostages by cutting their throats or beheading them WITHOUT EVEN A HEARING OR TRIAL?


Are those rhetorical questions you old smoothie you?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 05:41 am
I suppose we could differentiate two sorts of 'lies'.

There's the 'yellowcake' matter or the "If there's been a leak, I want to get to the bottom of it" (imagine the knee-slapper that was for Scooter and Rove).

Or there is the broader sort of deceitfulness of "we are not going to set a timetable for withdrawl like the cut and run dems" when:
1) that same day, Maliki asked Bush for exactly that
2) the majority of Americans want exactly that
3) the administration already has a timetable, which it begins to voice only days later, and which is established by the election calendar rather than other more ethical considerations
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