Brandon,
You aren't going to get off the hook by claiming that posters haven't followed the format, because I am going to spend the next hour of my life helping them out by explaining why each and every example posted by my fellow A2K'ers was, in fact, a lie.
To begin,
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026533#2026533
Zippo wrote:"We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the 11th." Bush said this in November 2002, as he appointed Henry Kissinger to be chairman of an independent 9/11 commission that Bush had orignially opposed. (Kissinger lasted two weeks in the job.) But Bush has not encouraged the uncovering of every detail. His administration did not turn over information to the congressional 9/11 inquiry about intelligence warnings the White House reviewed before 9/11. The administration also refused to say whether certain pre-9/11 intelligence warnings'including a July 2001 report noting that Osama bin Laden was poised to launch a "spectacular" attack "designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests"'were shared with Bush and what he did in response, if he had received them. Moreover, the administration claimed that Bush's awareness of these warnings (not the warnings themselves) was classified information'an argument unprecedented in the modern history of national security secrets. Bush also refused to let the congressional inquiry release the portion of its final report that concerned connections between the 9/11 hijackers and Saudi citizens or officials. By resorting to such secrecy'which happened to keep hidden information that might be embarrassing or inconvenient for the Bush administration--Bush made it impossible for investigators to "uncover every detail" and for the nation to "learn every lesson."
Zippo has done a fine job not only providing a lie, but a large amount of reasoning why it was a lie. No further explanation is neccessary, yet neither you nor any other Bush supporter has countered with an argument showing that this wasn't a lie.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026545#2026545
Setanta wrote:"I am a uniter, not a divider"
quod erat demonstrandum
Setanta correctly points out that events have shown that the country is far, far more divided now than when Bush took office. If Bush intended to be a uniter, he certainly has put forth the most divisive policies possible, and has done nothing to work with the Dems on, say, judicial choices. In fact, the commonly repeated Republican mantra is that 'since we control both houses of Congress, why compromise?' This is not indicative of someone whose purpose is to unite. Neither you nor any other Bush supporter has countered with an argument showing that this wasn't a lie.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026552#2026552
JustanObserver wrote:This one is one of my personal favorites:
He said this at a presentation months after approving the bypassing of the special courts.
Here's another:
"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war." --CNN, 01.27.02
He's never been to war.
Bush was specifically lying when he made the statement in the picture. Leaks have shown that what he said was a 100% falsehood. Bush easily could have avoid talking about the subject, but instead chose to mislead people completely about their being spied upon. Ergo, a lie.
In the second case, Justan easily showed that Bush lied about going to war. He has never been to war. A bald-faced lie, indeed. Neither you, Brandon, nor any other Bush supporter has countered with an argument showing that neither of these statements are lies.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026622#2026622
boomerang wrote:One of these statements is a lie:
Quote:"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
Quote:"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
Boomerang quite correctly points out that Bush lied in one of those instances; it is self-evident that the number one priority for the country cannot shift to being 'unimportant' in just a few months, with no resolution, no action, no nothing prompting this shift. Why was Bin Laden no longer a priority? It is far more likely, as Boomerang points out, that he never was the number one priority, and Bush was simply lying two days after 9/11. Neither you, Brandon, nor any other Bush supporter has countered with an argument showing that neither of these statements are lies.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026819#2026819
Roxxxanne wrote:Yep! This is going to be a long thread:
Quote:"We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."
State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Claim:
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world
Not True
Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq
No proof has ever been brought forward that intelligence actually indicated that there was any sort of program at all in Iraq for the aerial dispersion of chemical weapons. In this, his most famous state of the union speech, Bush hides behind the intelligence agencies in order to lie. He made statements that the Administration knew weren't true (such as this one) and then later on blames it on 'poor intelligence.' This is a canard, as the one with poor intelligence was Bush himself; he should either be held responsible for lying, or for not doing his job as CIC in any sort of responsible manner.
Neither you, Brandon, nor any other Bush supporter has countered with an argument showing that this statement was not a lie.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026842#2026842
Green Witch wrote:There are whole websites devoted to charting Bush's lies. Here's one of my favorites. plus a sample: The Many Lies of George Dubya Bush
Today's Bush Lie
"[Castro] welcomes sex tourism," Bush told a room of law enforcement officials in Florida, according to the Los Angeles Times. "Here's how he bragged about the industry," Bush said. "This is his quote: 'Cuba has the cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world.'"
"As it turns out, Bush had lifted that quotation not from an actual Castro speech but rather from a 2001 essay written by then Dartmouth University undergraduate Charles Trumbull. In the essay, Trumbull did appear to quote a Castro speech about prostitution. Sadly, the student made the quotation up.
"According to officials, the actual quotation from Castro's 1992 speech reads as follows: 'There are hookers, but prostitution is not allowed in our country. There are no women forced to sell themselves to a man, to a foreigner, to a tourist. Those who do so do it on their own, voluntarily. We can say that they are highly educated hookers and quite healthy, because we are the country with the lowest number of AIDS cases.'"
"...And this isn't the first time the Internet has baffled Bush. Back in 2003, the President cited another student's thesis when making a case to go to war. The student's [plagiarized and "sexed up"] work ended up in a government document describing Iraq's weapons capability. Not exactly the kind of hard intelligence needed to justify an attack on another country." The Register, 07.28.04
Green Witch has presented not only the lie, but the explanation for why it was a lie. No further explanation is neccessary. Neither you, Brandon, nor any Bush supporter has countered with an argument showing that this statement is not a lie.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027036#2027036
DrewDad wrote:Bush Lies In State Of The Union Speech
Bush: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system would be exhausted and bankrupt."
In what the BBC calls "highly unusual," a State of the Union Speech was interrupted by a chorus of "No's," booing, and heckles from some of the members of Congress in attendance. This happened immediately after the above Bush lie. As Shields mentioned on the PBS wrap-up, and as Brooks concurred, if adjustments are not made, by 2042, as they have been made before, 3/4 of the funds promised would still be available. The entire system would neither be exhausted nor bankrupt. -- Politex, 02.03.05
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DrewDad has presented yet another lie in a State of the Union speech. He also has presented the reasoning behind why this statement was a lie. No further explanation is neccessary; yet, neither you, nor any Bush supporter, has countered with an argument showing why this statement is not a lie.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027054#2027054
DrewDad wrote:Bush repeatedly has claimed to have watched the first airplane striking the World Trade Center on TV just before entering a classroom at a Florida elementary school and thought "'there's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there - I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, `A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack"
This is impossible since there was no live coverage of the first plane crash and no video emerged until the following day. (3)
DD provides another example of Bush lying, and why it was a lie. No further explanation is neccessary; once again, neither you, nor any Bush supporter, has countered with an argument showing why this statement is not a lie.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027968#2027968
snood wrote:Our president surely didn't lie when he said that Sadaam was buying yellowcake in Africa, because that was the night of his State of the Union Address, in which he clearly laid out his strategy for freedom in Iraq!
Snarkiness aside, Snood brings up an excellent point: that Bush did in fact lie when he claimed that Saddam was seeking Yellowcake from Africa during his infamous SoTU speech. In fact, his administration took the rare step of apologizing for including it several days later. No further explanation is neccessary; yet, neither you nor any other Bush supporter has countered with an argument showing that this is not, in fact, a lie.
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In summation, I count nine clear examples of Bush lying being provided by the posters here on A2K. There is no doubt in my mind that more could be found with a dilligent search. Not one of those examples has been argued against, at all, let alone successfully.
Therefore, in the complete and total absence of anybody willing to argue the Con position - that Bush is not a liar, and that things he has said are not lies - and given the weight of evidence presented by those who chose the Pro position, that Bush is a liar, it can be safely said that Bush is a liar. Neither you, nor any other Bush supporter has taken the time to challenge a single point raised by the opposition. When asked to do so, Brandon, you state that it isn't your responsibility to do so, even though you stated in the first post of the thread:
Quote:The President has often been accused of lying by his political opponents. I am starting this thread so that his opponents can try to demonstrate that the accusation is true, and his supporters can try to show that it's false.
Well? You are a long-time Bush supporter here on A2K. Let's see you get hopping on showing that it is false to say that Bush is a liar. Becuase right now, you and other Bush supporters have failed completely to do so.
Cycloptichorn
