President Bush: Is He a Liar?

McGentrix wrote:

The only thing I could think was "..and YOUR posts add what exactly?"

You have got to be kidding me. Yeah, I can get nasty, but only when appropriate. I've gone out of my way to try to explain mistakes and misdirection to the guy, only to be met with incredibly idiotic behavior.

We shouldn't try to take him seriously for the same reason why you don't try to start your car with a carrot, or explain mathmatics to a pile of woodchips... it's just pointless.

The obfuscation, annoyance, misdirectino and harrassment comes from America-haters like McWhitey, who can't see that Mr. Bush's clear vision will lead us to victory in Iraq.

Setanta wrote:

The obfuscation, annoyance, misdirectino and harrassment comes from America-haters like McWhitey, who can't see that Mr. Bush's clear vision will lead us to victory in Iraq.

*yawn*

The President has often been accused of lying by his political opponents. I am starting this thread so that his opponents can try to demonstrate that the accusation is true, and his supporters can try to show that it's false.

What I ask is that anyone who wishes to show that he does lie state in each post:

1. A single quotation of the President's which is a lie
2. A bit of evidence, or an argument to demonstrate that it's a lie.

I request, though, that no one simply post a huge list of vague accusations of lying without evidence, or a link to such. Use your own words, not someone else's, and please limit yourself to one lie per post, so that the matter can be discussed in an orderly way.

I will re-print the post with which I opened the thread. Please try to adhere to the stated topic.

Quote:

The President has often been accused of lying by his political opponents. I am starting this thread so that his opponents can try to demonstrate that the accusation is true, and his supporters can try to show that it's false.

What I ask is that anyone who wishes to show that he does lie state in each post:

1. A single quotation of the President's which is a lie
2. A bit of evidence, or an argument to demonstrate that it's a lie.

I request, though, that no one simply post a huge list of vague accusations of lying without evidence, or a link to such. Use your own words, not someone else's, and please limit yourself to one lie per post, so that the matter can be discussed in an orderly way.

I thank the members who have adhered to the intended thread format.

The opposition to Bush is not based on whether or not he is honest. It is based on their philosophical and moral differences with the man and the Republican Party, and with conservatives more specificly, and therefore no logical debate will take place. The mantra "Bush lied" is a political tactic concocted out of their dislike of conservatism...

Black's Law Dictionary--Sixth Edition

"We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the 11th." Bush said this in November 2002, as he appointed Henry Kissinger to be chairman of an independent 9/11 commission that Bush had orignially opposed. (Kissinger lasted two weeks in the job.) But Bush has not encouraged the uncovering of every detail. His administration did not turn over information to the congressional 9/11 inquiry about intelligence warnings the White House reviewed before 9/11. The administration also refused to say whether certain pre-9/11 intelligence warnings'including a July 2001 report noting that Osama bin Laden was poised to launch a "spectacular" attack "designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests"'were shared with Bush and what he did in response, if he had received them. Moreover, the administration claimed that Bush's awareness of these warnings (not the warnings themselves) was classified information'an argument unprecedented in the modern history of national security secrets. Bush also refused to let the congressional inquiry release the portion of its final report that concerned connections between the 9/11 hijackers and Saudi citizens or officials. By resorting to such secrecy'which happened to keep hidden information that might be embarrassing or inconvenient for the Bush administration--Bush made it impossible for investigators to "uncover every detail" and for the nation to "learn every lesson."

"I am a uniter, not a divider"

quod erat demonstrandum

This one is one of my personal favorites:

He said this at a presentation months after approving the bypassing of the special courts.





Here's another:
"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war." --CNN, 01.27.02

He's never been to war.

One of these statements is a lie:

Quote:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

Quote:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Yep! This is going to be a long thread:

Quote:

"We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Claim:
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world

Not True

Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq

There are whole websites devoted to charting Bush's lies. Here's one of my favorites. plus a sample: The Many Lies of George Dubya Bush

Today's Bush Lie

"[Castro] welcomes sex tourism," Bush told a room of law enforcement officials in Florida, according to the Los Angeles Times. "Here's how he bragged about the industry," Bush said. "This is his quote: 'Cuba has the cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world.'"

"As it turns out, Bush had lifted that quotation not from an actual Castro speech but rather from a 2001 essay written by then Dartmouth University undergraduate Charles Trumbull. In the essay, Trumbull did appear to quote a Castro speech about prostitution. Sadly, the student made the quotation up.

"According to officials, the actual quotation from Castro's 1992 speech reads as follows: 'There are hookers, but prostitution is not allowed in our country. There are no women forced to sell themselves to a man, to a foreigner, to a tourist. Those who do so do it on their own, voluntarily. We can say that they are highly educated hookers and quite healthy, because we are the country with the lowest number of AIDS cases.'"

"...And this isn't the first time the Internet has baffled Bush. Back in 2003, the President cited another student's thesis when making a case to go to war. The student's [plagiarized and "sexed up"] work ended up in a government document describing Iraq's weapons capability. Not exactly the kind of hard intelligence needed to justify an attack on another country." The Register, 07.28.04

Bush Lies In State Of The Union Speech

Bush: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system would be exhausted and bankrupt."

In what the BBC calls "highly unusual," a State of the Union Speech was interrupted by a chorus of "No's," booing, and heckles from some of the members of Congress in attendance. This happened immediately after the above Bush lie. As Shields mentioned on the PBS wrap-up, and as Brooks concurred, if adjustments are not made, by 2042, as they have been made before, 3/4 of the funds promised would still be available. The entire system would neither be exhausted nor bankrupt. -- Politex, 02.03.05



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Bush repeatedly has claimed to have watched the first airplane striking the World Trade Center on TV just before entering a classroom at a Florida elementary school and thought "'there's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there - I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, `A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack"


This is impossible since there was no live coverage of the first plane crash and no video emerged until the following day. (3)

Our president surely didn't lie when he said that Sadaam was buying yellowcake in Africa, because that was the night of his State of the Union Address, in which he clearly laid out his strategy for freedom in Iraq!

The President has often been accused of lying by his political opponents. I am starting this thread so that his opponents can try to demonstrate that the accusation is true, and his supporters can try to show that it's false.

This one is one of my personal favorites:

He said this at a presentation months after approving the bypassing of the special courts.

The only problem with this is that Bush and his handlers have a very firm grasp on how to manipulate the public with statements that put across untruths, without them necessarily being a "flat out lie." And that's were everyone gets their panties in a twist.

There can be no doubt that Bush has used "truth" in a "false" manner. As stated before, his continual use of "Saddam" and "Osama" in the same sentences during the build up to war clearly was intended to get people to associate the two.

The one I hated the most was his comments about Saddam supporting "terrorists." What he conveniently left out was that Saddam supported Palestinian terrorists, not Osama. But he would be careful not to say this. Instead, he would segue from that comment right into something about Osama (naturally, encouraging a link between the two).

Then there was the comments that he actually "served" during Vietnam, when it turned out he was in the "champaign" unit reserved for children of the rich and powerful to protect them from actual harm (I won't even go into the whole AWOL thing).

So, it becomes an exercise in misdirection and wordplay when it comes to catching Bush in his "lies." On occassion, he can be caught in a flat out, black and white lie, but most of the time, his are lies of omission, or lies of misdirection. Know what I mean?

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
April 20, 2004

. . . It's essential -- (applause.)

September the 11th -- when the President says something, he better mean it. See, in order to make the world more peaceful, it's essential that those of us in positions of high responsibility speak clearly and mean what we say. . . .

. . . When the President speaks, he better mean it. . . .


. . . I went in front of the United Nations Security Council, having looked at intelligence that said Saddam Hussein was a threat. The Congress looked at the same intelligence, by the way, and concluded Saddam was a threat. . . .

. . . And so we saw a threat. September the 11th changed the equation. So I was given a choice: Either trust the word of a madman, hope for the best with somebody who was a tyrant, or take action to defend our country. Given that choice, I will defend America every time.

It's hard work to go from a system where there was torture and rape rooms and mass graves to freedom. That's hard work. But it is necessary work. That's why I want to herald the work and sacrifice of your husband. It's important work for our future. Free societies are peaceful societies. The way to defeat terror in the long run is to provide hope, to provide hope for families, to provide hope for children, to say that there's a bright future for you. That won't happen, so long as there's tyranny in a part of the world that tends to breed hatred. It will happen when societies become democratic and free. . . .

. . . Part of the problem we face was that there was laws and bureaucratic mind-sets that prevented the sharing of information. . . .

. . . And right after September the 11th, the Congress wisely acted, said, this doesn't make any sense. If we can't get people talking, how can we act? . . . So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. . . .

Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution. . . .

He's a madman--a tyrant--a lawbreaker--and we can't trust him to mean what he says.

While we're waiting for Brandon't undoubtedly thorough and well-supported rebuttal, let's all contemplate what a privilege it is to live in the time of such a visionary and exemplary strategist - George W. Bush. How wonderful, to bask in the glow of the same freedom he has ensured will spread to Iraq - soon - just around the corner!!

Brandon,

You aren't going to get off the hook by claiming that posters haven't followed the format, because I am going to spend the next hour of my life helping them out by explaining why each and every example posted by my fellow A2K'ers was, in fact, a lie.

[SNIP]

Cycloptichorn

CHARLESTON, West Virginia (AP) -- President Bush says between going to war and raising twins, he'd choose war.

Bush's visit to West Virginia last week included a chat with Bob Kiss, Democratic speaker of the West Virginia House of Delegates.

While they hail from different parties, they found plenty to talk about -- although while both have twins, Kiss' 5-week-old twin boys aren't quite old enough to cause much trouble.

Kiss told Bush that if he wasn't doing anything the next morning, he could come by for their 3 a.m. feeding. Kiss said Bush joked, "I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war."

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He's a madman--a tyrant--a lawbreaker--and we can't trust him to mean what he says.