President Bush: Is He a Liar?

Montana wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Montana wrote:

Just saw Bush on tv yesterday and I've yet to see him without that, oh soooo annoying **** eatin grin on his face. I mean it's bad enough that it creeps me out. What the f@ck is the moron smiling about?
He's there talking about very serious stuff and he's got this big dumb ass grin from ear to ear and if I didn't know any better, I'd think the man was always drunk.
Either that or he's got to be on prescription pills.
I'm just waiting for the man to open his mouth one day and actually say "duh"! Just look at him and you can see he wants to.

He's not drunk. Sorry you don't like his face, but your personal taste has nothing to do with the correctness or incorrectness of his policies.

Oh, but the face tells so many interesting things about a person. For example: Even when the Ice Man talked about all the people he killed, he only smiled a few time, but when Bush talks about Iraq, he's always smiling and I'm sorry if it upsets you Brandon, but only a very sick, twisted person would smile when he has so very much blood on his hands. . . .

Bush shows his SICK and TWISTED character often enough that sane people ought to be utterly shocked, ashamed, and frightened that this madman is sitting in our White House instead of an institution for the criminally insane. The morbid manner in which Bush mocked Karla Faye Tucker----on a national television broadcast----should have been enough to convince people that he was UNFIT for public office. I'm sure he tries to hide from public the view the utter ugliness of his soul, but his psychotic twistedness so consumes him as a person that it seeps out of every pore in his body and contorts his face . . . and, as Montana noted, it creeps people out.

Montana wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Montana wrote:

Just saw Bush on tv yesterday and I've yet to see him without that, oh soooo annoying **** eatin grin on his face. I mean it's bad enough that it creeps me out. What the f@ck is the moron smiling about?
He's there talking about very serious stuff and he's got this big dumb ass grin from ear to ear and if I didn't know any better, I'd think the man was always drunk.
Either that or he's got to be on prescription pills.
I'm just waiting for the man to open his mouth one day and actually say "duh"! Just look at him and you can see he wants to.

He's not drunk. Sorry you don't like his face, but your personal taste has nothing to do with the correctness or incorrectness of his policies.

Oh, but the face tells so many interesting things about a person. For example: Even when the Ice Man talked about all the people he killed, he only smiled a few time, but when Bush talks about Iraq, he's always smiling and I'm sorry if it upsets you Brandon, but only a very sick, twisted person would smile when he has so very much blood on his hands. . . .

Bush shows his SICK and TWISTED character often enough that sane people ought to be utterly shocked, ashamed, and frightened that this madman is sitting in our White House instead of an institution for the criminally insane. The morbid manner in which Bush mocked Karla Faye Tucker----on a national television broadcast----should have been enough to convince people that he was UNFIT for public office. I'm sure he tries to hide from public the view the utter ugliness of his soul, but his psychotic twistedness so consumes him as a person that it seeps out of every pore in his body and contorts his face . . . and, as Montana noted, it creeps people out.

Debra_Law wrote:

Montana wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Montana wrote:

Just saw Bush on tv yesterday and I've yet to see him without that, oh soooo annoying **** eatin grin on his face. I mean it's bad enough that it creeps me out. What the f@ck is the moron smiling about?
He's there talking about very serious stuff and he's got this big dumb ass grin from ear to ear and if I didn't know any better, I'd think the man was always drunk.
Either that or he's got to be on prescription pills.
I'm just waiting for the man to open his mouth one day and actually say "duh"! Just look at him and you can see he wants to.

He's not drunk. Sorry you don't like his face, but your personal taste has nothing to do with the correctness or incorrectness of his policies.

Oh, but the face tells so many interesting things about a person. For example: Even when the Ice Man talked about all the people he killed, he only smiled a few time, but when Bush talks about Iraq, he's always smiling and I'm sorry if it upsets you Brandon, but only a very sick, twisted person would smile when he has so very much blood on his hands. . . .

Bush shows his SICK and TWISTED character often enough that sane people ought to be utterly shocked, ashamed, and frightened that this madman is sitting in our White House instead of an institution for the criminally insane. The morbid manner in which Bush mocked Karla Faye Tucker----on a national television broadcast----should have been enough to convince people that he was UNFIT for public office. I'm sure he tries to hide from public the view the utter ugliness of his soul, but his psychotic twistedness so consumes him as a person that it seeps out of every pore in his body and contorts his face . . . and, as Montana noted, it creeps people out.

You could make the same sort of unsubstantiated statements about Mother Teresa or anyone else. Please post a link to the statements you allege are improper about Karla Faye Tucker, whom I believe committed very brutal murders in Texas.

So true. The entire world has something to fear as long as Bush is in power of the United States of America. Very scary!

Fist of all, I'd like to remind you that Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who ruled with an iron first, and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, not to mention his routine use of torture.

People have been starting wars for the entire history of the human race, so the idea that war is some bad idea that President Bush invented is silly. The mere fact that he initiated a war and there are civilian deaths in the war does not show that he has acted improperly, since it does not differentiate him from any of the immense number of rulers in recent history who started a war. In fact, historically, wars have usually been initiated merely because the initiating country thought it could benefit in some way.

Your idea that the President lied to start the war is unproven, and, I believe false. He correctly stated that the probability that Iraq was still hiding its WMD and programs was unacceptably high and had to be resolved. Had Iraq been doing so, a million people could have died should those weapons have been used.

In the end, your statement that he must be bad because you don't like his appearance or manner is the sort of criticism anyone could level at anyone, and proves nothing.

Speaking of proof Brandon, where's your proof that this attack was justified. Thousands of innocent people died and continue to die and you act as if "it's the norm".

See Brandon, Bush keeps losing more and more of his followers every day and I'm thinking that it's because more and more people can't possibly keep their blinders from sliding off and it totally amazes me that there are still actually some folks left out there that are still buying it.
I mean, all the lies are right there in front of your face and you simply refuse to see them.
The bullsh!t just doesn't get any smellier than this.

Why on earth do you think that Bush's support is down to 29%, or less by now? Do you think the rest of us 71% are in denial?

In the end, your statement that he must be bad because you don't like his appearance or manner is the sort of criticism anyone could level at anyone, and proves nothing.

Montana wrote:

So true. The entire world has something to fear as long as Bush is in power of the United States of America. Very scary!

I'm shaking in my boots.....I am scared to death. .......was that a black helicopter outside....eeeeee......................................................

Brandon9000 wrote:

Fist of all, I'd like to remind you that Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who ruled with an iron first, and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, not to mention his routine use of torture.

This has nothing to do with the propriety of the war in Iraq. Red herring.

Brandon9000 wrote:

People have been starting wars for the entire history of the human race, so the idea that war is some bad idea that President Bush invented is silly. The mere fact that he initiated a war and there are civilian deaths in the war does not show that he has acted improperly, since it does not differentiate him from any of the immense number of rulers in recent history who started a war. In fact, historically, wars have usually been initiated merely because the initiating country thought it could benefit in some way.

This is an appeal to tradition, which is a classic fallacy. If tradition were the best way to choose courses of action, we'd all be eating grubs from under rotted logs.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Your idea that the President lied to start the war is unproven, and, I believe false. He correctly stated that the probability that Iraq was still hiding its WMD and programs was unacceptably high and had to be resolved. Had Iraq been doing so, a million people could have died should those weapons have been used.

This is not a compelling argument, either.

There is evidence that the President misled the country about the nature, size, and immediacy of the threat. Until you have hard numbers on all of this, then it is simply smoke and mirrors.

Brandon9000 wrote:

In the end, your statement that he must be bad because you don't like his appearance or manner is the sort of criticism anyone could level at anyone, and proves nothing.

Did she indicate otherwise? She stated that his personal demeanor affects the level of trust which she instills in him. This is a perfectly human characteristic, and is likely one that you share. Your criticism of Montana lacks any weight, whatsoever.

The truth of a statement does not rely entirely upon one's ability to prove it.

I thought you were a physicist? I refer you to Godel's Theorem.

The idea that the invasion was justified is merely my personal opinion. Moral justification is subjective, as should be obvious. While I have supported my opinion with argument for years all over A2K in many, many posts, I am under no obligation to prove it. Someone who accuses someone else of lying, however, is always obligated to prove it, as everyone knows, and as you should know. You sound as though the idea that an accuser is obligated to provide evidence is some novel new concept which you're unfamiliar with.

Since the president's lies are so very obvious, please give one quotation about Iraq which you believe to have been a lie, and then a bit of argument or evidence to support the idea that it was a lie. I suspect that you cannot because your accusations are untrue.

I never claimed it had anything to do with the propriety of the war in Iraq. My point was that the Iraqi couple she knows were hardly living in a paradise before the war, in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

If you were in litigation, the case would have been thrown out because your side has yet to produce facts (proof) beyond allegations and hearsay.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Fist of all, I'd like to remind you that Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who ruled with an iron first, and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, not to mention his routine use of torture.

This has nothing to do with the propriety of the war in Iraq. Red herring.

Brandon9000 wrote:

People have been starting wars for the entire history of the human race, so the idea that war is some bad idea that President Bush invented is silly. The mere fact that he initiated a war and there are civilian deaths in the war does not show that he has acted improperly, since it does not differentiate him from any of the immense number of rulers in recent history who started a war. In fact, historically, wars have usually been initiated merely because the initiating country thought it could benefit in some way.

This is an appeal to tradition, which is a classic fallacy. If tradition were the best way to choose courses of action, we'd all be eating grubs from under rotted logs.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Your idea that the President lied to start the war is unproven, and, I believe false. He correctly stated that the probability that Iraq was still hiding its WMD and programs was unacceptably high and had to be resolved. Had Iraq been doing so, a million people could have died should those weapons have been used.

This is not a compelling argument, either.

There is evidence that the President misled the country about the nature, size, and immediacy of the threat. Until you have hard numbers on all of this, then it is simply smoke and mirrors.

Brandon9000 wrote:

In the end, your statement that he must be bad because you don't like his appearance or manner is the sort of criticism anyone could level at anyone, and proves nothing.

Did she indicate otherwise? She stated that his personal demeanor affects the level of trust which she instills in him. This is a perfectly human characteristic, and is likely one that you share. Your criticism of Montana lacks any weight, whatsoever.