Sure, if you want to look at the glass as half-empty. Remember, we're doing good over there. The Iraqi people are free, free I tell you, except for those armed gangs running around.
Raw Story links to a Story reported in the NewHouse News, by David Woods who reports that a recent International poll shows world is turning against Americans, not just President Bush. This sad news should not surprise us. The longer the American people and Congress do not hold President Bush accountable for his Administration's international transgressions, the more we must collectively share responsibility for the consequences. . . .
. . . But the old adage, "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" come with a package of other insights American will not like to hear. But will soon learn. "If we do not set our own limits, someone else will set them for us." One does not need fancy computer simulation models to predict that unless we voluntarily change course soon, the rest of the system will take care of this problem for us. And it does not appear the other 95% of the world's population is going to be in much of a sympathetic mood when they do it.
If we don't take care of our lying, corrupt, war-mongering president . . . the rest of the world might find it necessary to take care of Bush in the same manner that Bush thought it was necessary to take care of Saddam. Hypocrisy has a price.
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Thu 18 May, 2006 05:41 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Bush's detractors cherry pick? When he cherry picked the intelligence that told the story he wanted told....
Mind boggling, huh? The cherry-picker's supporters accuse the critics of cherry picking.
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cicerone imposter
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Thu 18 May, 2006 05:45 pm
The conservative cherry pickers get so desperate, they make wild charges about others without realizing their own MO. There's no cure for stupid.
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gustavratzenhofer
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Thu 18 May, 2006 05:49 pm
It is getting to the point where an American traveling overseas, or anywhere out of the country for that matter, would be well-advised to claim he or she is a Canadian or a citizen of some other country, in order to assure their well-being.
Thank you, Mr. Bush. You scumbag.
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Vietnamnurse
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:17 pm
Gus: We travel a good bit and so do our friends..."We are Canadians!" Two years ago in York, England, we were asked by many on the streets if Bush would be re-elected. We answered that we did not know, but hoped not....they were very saddened by what we had to say.
My husband and I are going to Italy in the fall. The new Italian PM has decided to pull all troops out of Iraq. I think we will be safe there if we just address that we are Canadian if asked.
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Vietnamnurse
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:19 pm
Gus: I meant to say that the people in England...were not happy that Bush might be re-elected. Many, many unhappy with Blair.
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Vietnamnurse
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:21 pm
And, Yes, Bush is a liar...a pathological, narciscisstic liar.
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gustavratzenhofer
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:21 pm
I'm glad to see that you are using your head, vietnamnurse. Isn't is sad that we have reached such a state, courtesy of the friggin madman in the White House, where we are scorned as a nation and a people?
I have said it before, and I will say it again: Bush should burn in hell for what he has done to this once great country. (along with his evil minions)
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cicerone imposter
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:35 pm
Vietnamnurse, I was in Italy last November from Florence down to Rome and Pompeii, then to Toarmina, and we didn't experience any negatives from the Italians we came in contact with. I don't think you need to worry - yet.
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BernardR
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:35 pm
Do you have a link for that- Vietnamnurse? I mean your comment about Bush being a patholocical narcissistic liar?
I think you may have been listening to too many uniformed people.
Once, I was told( you say you are Canadian, right?) that Canada had the world's pre-eminent medical system. The person who said so gave no link. Then, a post appeared to give evidence that the Canadian Medical System was horribly screwed up.
Again, Vietnam Nurse--Do you have a link for your claim??
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cicerone imposter
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:41 pm
If a Harvard professor doesn't know, who does about Bush's pathology?
Mr. Imposter had a link...Not about Bush being a liar( because as has been pointed out repeatedly --"A lie is a falsehood uttered for the purpose of deception" and until, and if, President Bush can be deposed, it will be impossible to ascertain beyond the shadow of a doubt whether his remarks( about WMD's , let us say) were uttered for the purpose of deception.
Why did the president make his statements about WMD's?
Questions:
What is the proof( proof that would stand up in a courtroom as bonafide evidence) that President Bush ORDERED intelligence estimates to be changed?-( I cannot accept blurbs from left wing sites like "Common Dreams" or "Raw Story" since they are so far left wing and obviously prejudiced)
What did the other intelligence agencies around the world say at the time about WMD's in Iraq?
( German and French also)
What did President Clinton say in his speech of December 18th, 1998, when he gave his rational for his pre-emptive strike on Iraq?
Hint- It was something like----"First, wihout a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to RETAIN and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years."
The posts on this thread are filled with opinion, but very rarely is a quote or a reference given that really focuses on the truthfulness or alleged deception of President Bush THAT GIVES INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF.
I await an answer, but probably will not get one that addresses my post since it is probable that my post, as written, cannot be rebutted point by point.
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blueflame1
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:51 pm
chickless/massagatto/BernardR only accepts news from Judith Miller who helped Bushie lie us into war.
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BernardR
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Thu 18 May, 2006 06:58 pm
Debra LAW, who is without a doubt the most brilliant lawyer on these threads( she shares that appellation with Joe from Chicago), has noted that the rest of the world( or 95% of the world anyway) doesn't like us( ostensibly because of the Administration's policies.
My first observation is that people who are not US citizens are not allowed( as far as I am aware) to vote in our elections and it is clear that President Bush was elected as President in 2004.
When Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton is elected as president in 2008, I am sure that the world's outlook towards the US will change.
My second observation can be linked to my own experience. When I lived in my previous home, seven years ago, my wife and I decided to do a teardown while living with relatives and replace our rather small home with a larger and more expensive one.
We have subsequently moved. The reactions of our neighbors was unexpected. We were declared to be "snooty" since we built a home that dwarfed the rest of the homes on the block in size and conveniences.
I am of the opinion that if 95%of the world( if Debra LAW's allegations and sources are correct--I will do a search) is anti-USA, I am sure that most of that dismissal hinges on PURE UNALLOYED ENVY>
But, there is a problem here. I would think that the fact that 95% of the world's population dislikes the USA would keep everyone away. I can find evidence to show that a large percentage of the world's population would want nothing more than to live and work in the USA.
Is Debra LAW's source BOGUS?
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BernardR
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Thu 18 May, 2006 07:21 pm
Mr. Imposter cobbled together a post which puroports to PROVE that President Bush is the "Worst President in US History"
After reading the source for his claim( A Siena Poll), I am not certain that his claim would stand up in court.
l. The survey received answers from some nearly 800 History and Political Science Professors--There is nothing that I can find on the site( Maybe Mr. Imposter can help) as to how those 800 History and Political Science Professors were chosen or, indeed, the questions that were posed to them( Anyone familiar with polling practices is aware that the wording of the questions and, more significantly, how the population of those who received the poll questions were chosen.
2.It has been empirically demonstrated that most Academics, at least those in the Liberal Arts, and especially in the History and Political Science Departments of our Colleges and Universities are Democrats if not out and out leftists. Asking them whether President Bush is the "worst president" is like asking the "Schutz- Staffel" in 1942, their opinion of Winston Churchill.
3. It is ridiculous that any intelligent commentary can be educed about the performance of anyone when that person has only completed 70% of his or her tenure.
4. Approval ratings are interesting but they can not be said to be decisive. Those who have followed the rating system for president are aware that Harry S. Truman received the LOWEST rating among modern presidents in Feb. 1952---22--(Source--The Presidential Difference- Greenstein- P. 235). Truman is now considered to have been a great president--When a Biograph of Truman was written in 1992 by David MCullogh--a Biography that won the Pulitzer prize for its excellent--a revision was made of the former slurs against Truman--as DAvid McCullough points out--Only when the sealed correspondence was opened was it clear that Truman( who had a tough act to follow-FDR- was a great president.
5. The poll from Siena was interesting, but a poll which was even more interesting was the "poll" taken in November 2004 which polled ,not 800 Democratic and left wing Academics, but over a hundred million of the American people-----
Mirable Dictu--The American people re-elected what Mr. Imposter calls the worst President in American History.
I did not know that the majority of the American people were so stupid.
Or, maybe, Mr. Imposter thinks that they are!!!
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BernardR
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Thu 18 May, 2006 07:32 pm
I am heartened to see that Mr. Imposter accepts all commentary by professors who work or worked as Harvard as definitive.
Very well--I'll accept the commentary of the former and, by now, very elderly, professor from the Business School where President Bush earned his degree-namely, the prestigious Harvard School of Business(There have been many who doubted that President Bush could withstand the rigors of such a curriculum, but none have ever given any evidence that he cheated ---This stands in stark contrast with the moral conscience of the Senate- Ted Kennedy--who was ignominiously booted out of Harvard for cheating on a Spanish test. Those who feel that Harvard can be "mainpulated" to give "breaks" to the rich and powerful are at a loss to explain why the very well connected and fabulously rich father of Ted Kennedy was unable to have him re-instated immediately)
But, I will accept the Business Professor's contentions( after all, he is a Harvard Professor and everything he says is absolutely true--)
as true as the comment made by political scientist Harvey Mansfield, Professor at Harvard-- quote--
"White students must be made to admit their guilt so that minority students do not have to admit their incapcity"
Or is it possible that both Professors may only be exercising their own prejudices?
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cicerone imposter
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Thu 18 May, 2006 07:35 pm
"The Worst President of the US; Bush" doesn't have to stand up to any legal court except the court of public opinion - around the world and the US.
You just haven't been keeping up with the polls where the majority of US citizens rate Bush as "incompetent" concerning the major issues now identified as a) the war in Iraq, b) illegal immigration, c) high cost of fuel, d) losing our international allies, e) the cost of health insurance, f) ooops, that's Bush's grades, g) the do-nothing congress, h) tax breaks for the rich, i) incompetence, and j) all of the above.
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BernardR
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Thu 18 May, 2006 07:50 pm
Mr. Imposter-The only "poll" that really counts is the one that occurs every four years.
You really cannot respond to my challenges, can you? Do I have to repost the challenges I made to show that you are unresponsive to my direct rebuttal of your post?
Mr. Imposter cobbled together a post which puroports to PROVE that President Bush is the "Worst President in US History"
After reading the source for his claim( A Siena Poll), I am not certain that his claim would stand up in court.
l. The survey received answers from some nearly 800 History and Political Science Professors--There is nothing that I can find on the site( Maybe Mr. Imposter can help) as to how those 800 History and Political Science Professors were chosen or, indeed, the questions that were posed to them( Anyone familiar with polling practices is aware that the wording of the questions and, more significantly, how the population of those who received the poll questions were chosen.
2.It has been empirically demonstrated that most Academics, at least those in the Liberal Arts, and especially in the History and Political Science Departments of our Colleges and Universities are Democrats if not out and out leftists. Asking them whether President Bush is the "worst president" is like asking the "Schutz- Staffel" in 1942, their opinion of Winston Churchill.
3. It is ridiculous that any intelligent commentary can be educed about the performance of anyone when that person has only completed 70% of his or her tenure.
4. Approval ratings are interesting but they can not be said to be decisive. Those who have followed the rating system for president are aware that Harry S. Truman received the LOWEST rating among modern presidents in Feb. 1952---22--(Source--The Presidential Difference- Greenstein- P. 235). Truman is now considered to have been a great president--When a Biograph of Truman was written in 1992 by David MCullogh--a Biography that won the Pulitzer prize for its excellent--a revision was made of the former slurs against Truman--as DAvid McCullough points out--Only when the sealed correspondence was opened was it clear that Truman( who had a tough act to follow-FDR- was a great president.
5. The poll from Siena was interesting, but a poll which was even more interesting was the "poll" taken in November 2004 which polled ,not 800 Democratic and left wing Academics, but over a hundred million of the American people-----
Mirable Dictu--The American people re-elected what Mr. Imposter calls the worst President in American History.
I did not know that the majority of the American people were so stupid.
Or, maybe, Mr. Imposter thinks that they are!!!
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gustavratzenhofer
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Thu 18 May, 2006 07:54 pm
Bernard wrote:
I did not know that the majority of the American people were so stupid.
You must be one of them if you didn't recognize that fact.