President Bush: Is He a Liar?

Intrepid wrote:

Just because somebody is a stumbling buffoon does not mean that people hate him. They just don't understand him because he does not make any sense.

When you read the comments about President Bush here on A2K, it is quite obvious that there are some who so loathe and despise the man that he could end world hunger, achieve world peace, and cure the common cold and he would still be reviled as the scourge of the earth. This is why so many even on this thread are totally unable to consider Brandon's question reasonably, but twist and distort the question so as to continue to verbally attack the President.

Valid criticism of the President is of course fair game. I've certainly expressed enough of it myself. But to distort the facts for purposes of the politics of personal destruction is more destructive to us all than should be satisfying to those full of hate.

I think Bush, as inept and as incompetent as he can be, to be a hundred times the man that Bill Clinton was/is, but I will defend Clinton when I think he is accused wrongly or falsely, and I won't accuse him myself when there is no clear evidence that he was wrong. I certainly won't accuse him of lying when there is no evidence that he didn't believe what he was saying (no matter how much I personally believed him to be lying.)

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Foxfyre wrote:

I do not believe President Bush ever intended to say that the U.S. does not do wiretapping or even does not do wiretapping without warrants. He has said on more than one occasion that the United States has not done ILLEGAL wiretapping. Now if he misspoke on one or more occasions leaving a different impression than that, okay. He misspoke. Was the intention to deceive? I do not believe it was. I do not believe that anybody here has yet proved that his intent was to deceive; i.e. lie.

He said something that is not factual. Isn't that a lie? You choose to believe he misspoke when he said it. Why? On what evidence do you base this belief?

Here is something I believe. I believe that you are in love with the big W, and as such, are completely irrational where he is concerned.

Come on, just admit it.

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Foxfyre wrote:

...I think Bush, as inept and as incompetent as he can be, to be a hundred times the man that Bill Clinton was/is...

Yikes. Now that is scary. You would prefer someone who is inept, incompetent (and worse) to our last president when it comes to leading the most powerful country in the world?

Unless you meant "better" strictly in the sense of "as a person." But even then, he's demonstrated some serious problems of his own:

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In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, a number of protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them," he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with Tucker, though. He asked her real difficult questions like, 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "'Please,'" Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "'don't kill me.'"

Linky linky

Bush... just another douchebag.

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dyslexia wrote:

Mysteryman is on intellectuaL vacation.

And your ignorance about me is staggering.
If it really matters that much,I was on a fire call.
I am a member of the local volunteer fire dept,and we had a call.
Sorry,but my life does not revolve around A2K and the people on here.

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See! You DO know a lie when you hear it.

Good job, MM.

Now, let's try the next one:

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

If this is a lie,then it is.
If it is part of a bigger speech,and you have taken it out of context (which I suspect),then I cant answer because I dont know what the context of the remarks is.

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That's a feeble cop-out, even by your low standards.

The topic is President Bush: Is he a liar?

EVERY politician is a liar,thats how they get votes.
Can you name one politician that hasnt lied at least once during their carreer?

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Foxfyre wrote:

He misspoke. Was the intention to deceive? I do not believe it was. I do not believe that anybody here has yet proved that his intent was to deceive; i.e. lie.

Misspoke implies that he made a mistake. He was pretty clear in what he said and what he said was not true and he knew it wasn't true. What was his intent in telling this untruth if it was not to deceive?

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I also think that in matters of national security, it is not a LIE to not tell all that you know about a classified matter.

You mean you give him a pass because it was a matter of national security. That doesn't mean it isn't a lie, which it is, it just means you're willing to excuse him for it. He didn't "not tell all that [he knew]", he told an untruth. If he had refused to speak about it at all or just not said anything then we'd have no basis to call it a lie. But I'll take your post to mean that you are accepting that Bush lied at least once. Now we can move on to other instances of deception.

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Question,
Why didnt anyone mind when the President,a Democrat,lied and got the US into Vietnam?
Why didnt anyone mind when the President,a Democrat,lied and got the US into WW2?

Why does the left not mind when a Democrat lies,even when it concerns national security issues?

IF the President knowingly lied,then he joins the looooong list of national politicians that have lied and gotten Americans killed.
Nobody seems to mind if a Democrat does that.
Why is that?

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How are we defining lie?

Is it when someone KNOWINGLY makes a false statement?
Or,is it when someone makes a statement based on the evidence presented to him,and it later turns out to be wrong?
Or,is it when someone repeats something told them by someone else,which turns out to be wrong?

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mysteryman wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Mysteryman is on intellectuaL vacation.

And your ignorance about me is staggering.
If it really matters that much,I was on a fire call.
I am a member of the local volunteer fire dept,and we had a call.
Sorry,but my life does not revolve around A2K and the people on here.

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See! You DO know a lie when you hear it.

Good job, MM.

Now, let's try the next one:

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

If this is a lie,then it is.

Wait a minute!! We chase you hither and yon to get an answer about your boy Bush telling lies, and you say "If it is, it is"? The whole thrust of this conversation has been us saying "Bush is a liar", and you and others saying "where's the proof?" So, when you are confronted point blank, your concession is "If it is, it is"? What the fu*k?

If it is part of a bigger speech,and you have taken it out of context (which I suspect),then I cant answer because I dont know what the context of the remarks is.

Are you going to sit there with that goofy look on your face and act as if you've never heard of this statement before, and pretend that you have no idea where it came from? Why sir, you don't have a hint of honor in you - you are defending something and someone without the benefit of logic, common sense,or even (its starting to look like) sanity.

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That's a feeble cop-out, even by your low standards.

The topic is President Bush: Is he a liar?

EVERY politician is a liar,thats how they get votes.
Can you name one politician that hasnt lied at least once during their carreer?

So now you're not even going to even pretend to defend the person in general or the specific lie, you're just act like you're not quite sure where the quote came from, and then just say "well, everyone does it"?
You're very very full of sh*t if you think anyone's buying this. You can't defend the lie, so you just squirm and wriggle and slither like a frickin' gecko. JEEZ!

You and your boy shrub have a lot in common....

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MM, where the hell were you from 1965-1973? (Maybe too young to remember, in which case don't talk about it as if you actually know something). People cared a LOT about the president's lying. And yes,a lot of those people are the same people who care a LOT about Bush's lying, or if you'd rather his weak connection to reality. And no one gave a damn that LBJ was a Democrat and laid off on him as a result. He was WRONG and that was what mattered, just as it is what matters with Bush.

Even if you're too young (or too out of touch), surely you must have seen something at some point about the massive series of demonstrations, protests, and marches. You may remember that LBJ got so much heat he didn't run in '68. With luck we can do the same thing to the Repubs who try to run in support of Bush this Nov. Watch out Frist, et al, we've got experience at this. And once again we're in the majority. Took years the last time, took years this time, but Vietnam=Iraq to the majority of the country.

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I think these very last Bush supporters are actually going coocoo. The Bush supporter is a boggling phenomenon.

The worst thing in the world to them is that Bush (their version of Clinton) who they put their word into, all their heart and soul into will prove to be a total failure, a complete LIE.

They won't let it happen. Their pretending. They refuse. There going crazy. There going to develop turrets.

We supply them with an instrument of denial. We give them a dialogue
they can practice their denial other wise they would be talking to themselves.

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They won't let it happen. Their pretending. They refuse. There going crazy. There going to develop turrets.

What kind of turrets?
Naval gun turrets?
Tank turrets?
Castle turrets?

Or,did you mean Tourrette Syndrome?
If you meant that,you have showed an appalling ignorance AND insensitivity to a group of people with a serious neurological disorder.
I thought the left was better then that,according to themselves.

Before you comment about them again,I suggest you do some reading and educate yourself...

http://tourette13.tripod.com/

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mysteryman wrote:

Please feel free to start another thread with this news.

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I think the state should start a Bush supporters psychiatric ward.

Now for that I wouldn't mind raising my taxes.

"The Bush suporters psychatric ward. A place to get the help you need. coming to a town near you."

We can name it after Clinton!!!!!!! Laughing

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Careful there, MM. Your desperation is showing. When you find yourself in a hole, it's best that you stop digging...

mysteryman wrote:

Why didnt anyone mind when the President,a Democrat,lied and got the US into Vietnam?
Why didnt anyone mind when the President,a Democrat,lied and got the US into WW2?

Right. No one minded. Rolling Eyes

mysteryman wrote:

I found evidence of another US "spy agency" that is spying on Americans.
I nbotice that none of you seem to mind.
Why is that??

Um, ok. It's completely off topic, but you need something to hang your hat on at this point.
I'm sure there are some people who mind, btw. But the link you provided talks about photo reconnaissance. Pictures taken of an area from outer space. When your outside, there is no expectation of privacy. This is much different from having your calls tracked.

mysteryman wrote:

EVERY politician is a liar,thats how they get votes.
Can you name one politician that hasnt lied at least once during their carreer?

I see. When all else fails, do the "well, everyone else does it!" defense. Sorry, that doesn't cut it.

mysteryman wrote:

How are we defining lie?

Oh for Christ's sake, get off it already. That's the only argument you have, and you've beat it to death five times over. Either get something substantial to bring to the table or just stop.

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FreeDuck wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Please feel free to start another thread with this news.

Why?
Answer the question here.

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Because it's off-topic, unless there's a quote of Bush's in that article that is a lie.

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FreeDuck wrote:

Because it's off-topic, unless there's a quote of Bush's in that article that is a lie.

The left is claiming that Bush lied about "spying on Americans" by US intelligence agencies.
I just showed another spy agency spying on Americans.
I think that is totally relevant.

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mysteryman wrote:

What kind of turrets?

...Or,did you mean Tourrette Syndrome?
If you meant that,you have showed an appalling ignorance AND insensitivity to a group of people with a serious neurological disorder...

And he goes from a backhanded insult over a misspelling to faking piousness, all the while ignoring the smackdown he's getting on every point he tries to raise. Truly, truly impressive. Laughing

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I concede.
BUSH LIED!!!!
He has lied about everything he has ever said since he first learned to talk.

Now,
What are you going to do about it?
He wont be impeached,its not illegal to lie,the dems voted for the war also so they cany fake piousness either.
Personally,I am glad he has lied about some things.
There are some things our govt does that you dont need to know about.

So,I ask again...
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT???
Answer...NOTHING

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