President Bush: Is He a Liar?

Are you guys still trying to figure out what a lie is?

Just try asking your grandma if you had made the same statements as Bush (and his administration) has made, if she'd be grabbing you up by your ear and taking you behind the shed.

John's Law demonstrated. Although, of course, Clinton was already brought up here before.

I thought the issue was about Presidential lies.

BTW,I didnt mention his name,you did.

See! You DO know a lie when you hear it.

Good job, MM.

Now, let's try the next one:

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

Fox, you don't know what the article said, because you didn't read it. You blanket condemned it, because that's what you do when presented with opinions that you don't want to agree with.

You obviously haven't even read the thread, either, because it certainly wasn't Tico that presented evidence of Bush lying, but others, merely confirmed by Tico. But since you don't listen to anyone that doesn't agree with you, you didn't realize that others had raised the issue far earlier.

I don't care what kind of Bullsh*t excuses you throw out; you must realize what a poor opinion people have of you by now, and if you don't, you're even worse than people already think. And it isn't because we are fools, I guarantee you.

Cycloptichorn

Meanwhile, I shall focus on the thesis of this thread which is: Is President Bush a liar? So far, the only person who has even come up with a possibility of that has been Tico, and nobody else has shown me any proof or even any credible suspicion that he intended to deceive or mislead.

Saying that somebody lied requires more evidence than just saying somebody lied and I don't care who is saying it.

Foxfyre wrote:

Meanwhile, I shall focus on the thesis of this thread which is: Is President Bush a liar? So far, the only person who has even come up with a possibility of that has been Tico, and nobody else has shown me any proof or even any credible suspicion that he intended to deceive or mislead.

Saying that somebody lied requires more evidence than just saying somebody lied and I don't care who is saying it.

Uh, I've laid it out in two posts now and neither have been rebutted. Here's how it works:

1) The president said something that wasn't true. (see squinney's post to MM for the quoted text, again)
2) The president knew it wasn't true because he signed more than one presidential order authorizing wiretaps without warrants and outside the parameters of FISA.

How do you come to the conclusion that saying something one knows is not true is not a lie? What was his intent if not to deceive? This is an obvious one and, though you could make an argument that it was justified, it was a lie. Just acknowledge this one obvious lie so that we continue with more ambiguous ones. There's no ambiguity here. I'm getting the feeling that the only way you will accept that he lied is if he comes right out and admits it.

Are you guys still trying to figure out what a lie is?

Just try asking your grandma if you had made the same statements as Bush (and his administration) has made, if she'd be grabbing you up by your ear and taking you behind the shed.

But, grandma would have expected some integrity if what was totally believed was proven wrong. Especially when it affected the lives of so many. C'mon Brandon, get a life.