President Bush: Is He a Liar?

I'm in a freezing country for 7 months of the year.....now that's torture.

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candidone1 wrote:

Criminals, then, stop short of actually commiting their crimes because a higher authority exists to intervene before things go too far.

Brandon needs to visit more than a playgound of Y2K. He just needs to pay attention to reality....
But I am hardly surprised at this apparent lack of perception. He has never noticed the presence of the Church of Scientology in Clearwater Florida....in spite of working in and around the city.

The point is that it may sometimes make a certain amount of sense to tell a child at school not to fight, but rather to find a teacher, even though the child may be caught in situations from time to time where he temporarily has only himself to rely on. There is no parallel for nations. They must fight to survive. The anaology between children on a playground and nations is not a good one, because the child usually has a higher authority supervising things who will usually intervene to prevent something really serious from happening.

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Nations must fight to survive? Good god! Are we still in the Old Stone Age?

This boy missed the point, eh?

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Is Marion a she or has Marion been named for John Wayne?

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Real torture is reading pasted posts from Posner.

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Brandon states that an attempt (?) by Country A on the life of Country B's leader gives B the right to attack A. In what body of law is there such a provision?

Moreover, our attack on Iraq violates the tenets of the UN, as repeatedly charged by Anin.

Further, the US had the right to determine whether an attack on Iraq is really in our interests, much less justified. Any kind of sensible analysis would have shown that an attack was adverse to our interests.

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The modern conservative notion of truthfulness demonstrated....

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In a workshop, Connie Marshner, a veteran organizer, distributed a step-by-step guide that recommended obtaining church directories and posing as a nonpartisan pollster to ask people how they planned to vote.

"Hello, I am with ABC polls," a suggested script began.

Some attendees complained that the script seemed deceptive, Ms. Marshner said in an interview afterward. She said that such disguised calls were a common campaign tactic, that it was just a suggested script and that she never recommended answering a direct question with a lie.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/theocrats-use-dirty-tricks-and-lie-in.html

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blatham wrote:

The modern conservative notion of truthfulness demonstrated....

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In a workshop, Connie Marshner, a veteran organizer, distributed a step-by-step guide that recommended obtaining church directories and posing as a nonpartisan pollster to ask people how they planned to vote.

"Hello, I am with ABC polls," a suggested script began.

Some attendees complained that the script seemed deceptive, Ms. Marshner said in an interview afterward. She said that such disguised calls were a common campaign tactic, that it was just a suggested script and that she never recommended answering a direct question with a lie.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/theocrats-use-dirty-tricks-and-lie-in.html

Salon wouldn't carry this story, huh?

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AFTER RECEIVING NIE, WHITE HOUSE MISLED AMERICANS: Since April 2006, the Bush administration has ignored the NIE and has consistently argued its Iraq policies have made the American people safer from terrorism. "The world is safer," Bush argued last month, "the Iraqi people are better, the cause for liberty is more advanced because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power." "America is safer. ... We are safer because we are on the offensive against our enemies overseas." "I've heard this theory about everything was just fine until we arrived [in Iraq]," Bush said last month, "and kind of 'we're going to stir up the hornet's nest' theory. It just doesn't hold water, as far as I'm concerned." When confronted with a poll showing most Americans think our actions overseas are creating more terrorists, Dick Cheney said, "I can't buy that." (Cheney also has dismissed the suggestion "that by liberating Iraq from Saddam Hussein, we simply stirred up a hornet's nest.") "We will replace violent dictatorships with peaceful democracies," Bush said in Atlanta recently. "We'll make America, the Middle East, and the world more secure."
--AmericanProgressAction

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Today the government announced that it is changing the United States emblem EAGLE to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance.

A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed.

Damn, it just doesn't get more accurate than that!

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When the Historians of the future write about the Bush regime, they will give evidence that he ordered torture of the Muslim prisoners. The American soldiers who will be tortured in the future because of Bush's callousness and their families will hold Bush accountable. That is why it is so important to write a law which strictly prohibits any kind of torture.

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The following looks at the evidence and concludes we are "saints" compared to our opponents in terms of how we treat our prisoners.

http://www.tacitus.org/story/2005/6/23/154642/736

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And which of those detainees held in secret prisons were allowed to send and recieve mail from their family?

The article you linked to okie is the same old crap. If we pretend something doesn't exist then we can make an argument. It does not address any of the questions of secret prisons and the tactics used there.
Because no one in Oklahoma City lost their home to flooding from Katrina in no way negates the losses in New Orleans. Because the people in one jail were treated well in no way proves they were treated the same in other jails.

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Nor does it suggest that they were not. Few prisoners of war have mail privileges anywhere. If they had shelter, food, clothing, and essential medical care, they were treated humanely and sufficiently. They should be entitled to or expect nothing else. I am reasonably certain that all prisoners in American custody faired quite a bit better than that, as a matter of policy, but that would be enough to say that they were in no way mistreated.

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Strange Parados brings up Katrina. Proving one thing, there is a liberal Democrat template, in which all negative things, whether its detainees or even hurricanes, are to be spun to blame on George Bush. What nonsense. Go talk to the mayor of New Orleans, Parados.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Few prisoners of war have mail privileges anywhere.

From the Geneva Convention:

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ARTICLE 71
Prisoners of war shall be allowed to send and receive letters and cards. If the Detaining Power deems it necessary to limit the number of letters and cards sent by each prisoner of war, the said number shall not be less than two letters and four cards monthly, exclusive of the capture cards provided for in Article 70, and conforming as closely as possible to the models annexed to the present Convention.

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okie wrote:

Strange Parados brings up Katrina. Proving one thing, there is a liberal Democrat template, in which all negative things, whether its detainees or even hurricanes, are to be spun to blame on George Bush. What nonsense. Go talk to the mayor of New Orleans, Parados.

I was listening to a commentary yesterday--I cannot remember who was saying it--Paul Harvey comes to mind but I can't be sure about that--but anyway he was talking about the situation in New Orleans. Bush critics say that people are still homeless and nothing has been done to restore housing etc. But visitors to New Orleans observe house after house after house standing empty, all ready to rend or sell, and there aren't any customers. Why? Because anybody who wants one can and do ask for one of the free mobile homes offered by the Federal govenrment. Free is somehow more attractive than paying rent.

The Administration can genuinely be faulted for quailing under the non stop criticism from the Left and not being willing to be hard nosed about that situation. They should be demanding that people start getting back into places they have to pay for instead of receiving free housing for presumably eternity.

Even a President cannot stop a hurricane, nor can he prevent damage from one. If Congress fails to sufficiently fund the Corps of Engineers etc. for decades, it is not the current Presidnet's fault when there are ramifications for that. If the local government spends monies designated for the levees on other things, as it did, the current President cannot be faulted for that.

The President deserves valid criticism on several fronts, and I won't try to defend him where criticsm is warranted. But no matter how much the Left wants to make President Bush into some kind of evil God who could have done it all had he just wanted to, the President is just a guy like every other President has been. And he is not responsible for everything that goes wrong for everybody.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Nor does it suggest that they were not. Few prisoners of war have mail privileges anywhere. If they had shelter, food, clothing, and essential medical care, they were treated humanely and sufficiently. They should be entitled to or expect nothing else. I am reasonably certain that all prisoners in American custody faired quite a bit better than that, as a matter of policy, but that would be enough to say that they were in no way mistreated.

Actually that is incorrect Fox. Under the Geneva convention ALL POWs have mail privileges.
Cross.

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Article 71

Prisoners of war shall be allowed to send and receive letters and cards. If the Detaining Power deems it necessary to limit the number of letters and cards sent by each prisoner of war, the said number shall not be less than two letters and four cards monthly,

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okie wrote:

Strange Parados brings up Katrina. Proving one thing, there is a liberal Democrat template, in which all negative things, whether its detainees or even hurricanes, are to be spun to blame on George Bush. What nonsense. Go talk to the mayor of New Orleans, Parados.

The storm and loss of homes had nothing to do with politics. Your argument is a red herring in that you refuse to deal with the underlying principle.

Because one place didn't have something happen is NOT proof it didn't happen somewhere else.
Because no one from Apollo 13 landed on the moon doesn't prove man didn't land there.
Because it isn't raining in Topeka doesn't prove it isn't raining in San Francisco.
Because some people in Guantanamo were treated OK doesn't prove the people held in secret jails or Abu Ghraib or other jails were not mistreated.

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parados wrote:

Actually that is incorrect Fox. Under the Geneva convention ALL POWs have mail privileges.

I suppose, we are from the "wrong corner" for Foxfyre.
She knows that only few prisoners have nail privileges anywhere. Fullstop.

So even two posts of Article 71 won't change her mind. :wink:

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