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President Bush: Is He a Liar?

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:42 pm
Advocate wrote:
Blatham, thanks for the Luntz memo. Wow, you hit a homerun. Obviously, the Republicans ran with it, conflating Iraq with 9/ll.


Yeah. Rather obvious as the strategy utilized, isn't it? Foxfyre is correct about one thing...Luntz is a very smart fellow. I heard him talk one time and he's as quick and slick as they come. Amoral, pretty clearly, but the intelligence is exceptional.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:43 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Because I read BOTH sides of the argument before taking sides. He doesn't.


I even read Uru. I understand nothing of it.


LOL. Very good, walter.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 05:12 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I'm quite sure that those who base their entire political ideology on hatred of George Bush will read the memo quite differently than those who base their poitical ideology otherwise.




An ideology can not be based on a personal reaction to one individual, even if he is the puppet of the Republican Party.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 05:14 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Blatham spins the wacko liberal left mantra and refuses to see things any differently than the way he wants them to be.


He really should look at how unbiased and openly you approach things!


Reading implies sighting the words. It does not imply comprehending them.
Nor does it imply reading with an open mind.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 05:22 pm
Foxfyre--You are being much too strident and unconciliatory. Don't you know that a massive heart attack and insertion of stents makes many people unbalanced? Some compassion please!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 05:31 pm
It goes without saying, Bush is a liar. Funny thing is, he has no need to lie. His followers will swallow any horseshit he shovels without question; why make it up any longer?
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Ray
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 05:54 pm
Today's politics like 500 years ago are based on manipulation (sometimes at least) and secrecy.

Empty the closets and let the secrets out...
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 06:01 pm
Edgar Blythe wrote:


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It goes without saying, Bush is a liar. Funny thing is, he has no need to lie. His followers will swallow any horseshit he shovels without question; why make it up any longer?
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Really, do you have any evidence or documentation to PROVE what you are saying? or are you just as ignorant as Advocate who NEVER backs up his? her? nonsense with evidence?
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But, Edgar Blythe- I know that I can match your idiocies.

Did you know that Hillary Rodham Clinton will NOT be selected to run as a candidate from President when it is discovered that she is a LESBIAN?


Where did I get my evidence for that statement?

The same place you got yours!!!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 06:05 pm
That is where you are wrong, fartblossom, but you will never know. You lack the capacity to see beyond your little keyboard.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 06:34 pm
Edgar Blythe wrote:


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That is where you are wrong, fartblossom, but you will never know. You lack the capacity to see beyond your little keyboard.

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My, my, Isn't such language a violation of the TOS?

But, I am not wrong when I post the fact that Hillary will not run because she will be outed as a Lesbian>

How could I be wrong?

I don't have to give any evidence, do I?

Just as you, who say that President Bush lied and give no evidence.

Tell me EdgarBlythe--I have read that you are a writer and a poet.

I find that difficult to believe since all of your posts are so pedestrian.

Have you been LYING?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:08 pm
Fox, no matter how strong the evidence is against Bush, you and the others on the right will try to spin it away harmlessly. I thought I once detected some honesty from you about Bush, but I guess I was mistaken.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:25 pm
Advocate wrote:
Fox, no matter how strong the evidence is against Bush, you and the others on the right will try to spin it away harmlessly. I thought I once detected some honesty from you about Bush, but I guess I was mistaken.


If you had been following me for very long on A2K, you would know that I will criticize the President when criticism is warranted, and he has warranted criticism in several areas. I do not believe he is guilty of any of the 'crimes' he is accused of by the Partisan Left, however, and I am 100% behind him and our military when it comes to the security of this country and the President's Constitutional role in that.

I think any persons who truly love their country more than they hate George W. Bush will support the office of the Preidecy in fulfilling those Constiutional duties and in protecting this country from all its enemies from within and from elsewhere.

I think any person who truly love their country will want to see success in Iraq more than they hate the President.

And I think any persons who truly love their country will help, not hinder, will support, not tear down, will encourage, not discourage.

The person who holds the office is quite temporal. I think true Americans do not put contempt for one man ahead of love for country and what it stands for.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:31 pm
What would constitute success in Iraq?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:34 pm
It is not clear to me that Bush had to disobey the law and do warrantless wiretapping. He himself said that warrants must be obtained.

It is not in the country's best interest to stay in Iraq and get picked off endlessly. The vast majority of Iraqis want us out, and over 40% want us dead. Moreover, we are an irrelevancy in Iraq, and our staying there is badly hurting the country.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:49 pm
Advocate wrote:

It is not clear to me that Bush had to disobey the law and do warrantless wiretapping. He himself said that warrants must be obtained.

It is not in the country's best interest to stay in Iraq and get picked off endlessly. The vast majority of Iraqis want us out, and over 40% want us dead. Moreover, we are an irrelevancy in Iraq, and our staying there is badly hurting the country.

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Did Bush disobey the law? Who said so, Ted Kennedy? Are you so ignorant that you do not realize that the judgment of whether or not President Buhs disobeyed the law will be handled by the Sixth appealate court?--not an ignorant person like Advocate.

Why is it not in our best interests to stay in Iraq?

Who says the vast majority of Iraqis want us out? That is a lie.

Why are we an irrelvancy iun Iraq?

Why is staying there hurting the country?

There are many posters on A2K,Advocate but you are the most ignorant one of them all.

Are you absolutely INCAPABLE of finding evidence for your bovine excremental statements?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:51 pm
If nothing else, Bernard.... you are passionate.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 03:50 am
Intrepid wrote:
What would constitute success in Iraq?


Success in Iraq would be a government committed to qualifying their country to join the free peoples of the world complete with human rights, free trade, and capitalism. It would be a country where terrorists would find neither tolerance nor friends and a country that, when left in peace, nobody would need to fear. It would be strong enough to enforce these conditions and be a beacon to other backward nations to follow suit. It would help stablize an unstable Middle East and make the world a little safer for everybody.

Turkey is a shining example of an Islamic country that has achieved these goals. There is no reason to think that Iraq could not also, but it will not happen if those trying to achieve it are constantly undermined and weakened by the negative nabobs and those who are willing to see failure in Iraq rather than give President George Bush any credit for its success.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 04:00 am
Advocate wrote:
It is not clear to me that Bush had to disobey the law and do warrantless wiretapping. He himself said that warrants must be obtained.

It is not in the country's best interest to stay in Iraq and get picked off endlessly. The vast majority of Iraqis want us out, and over 40% want us dead. Moreover, we are an irrelevancy in Iraq, and our staying there is badly hurting the country.


I don't think the President disobeyed the law and I am 100% positive HE does not believe he disobeyed the law. I believe the warrentless wiretapping is 100% essential to the security of this country because in this day of throwaway phones, it simply cannot be done if warrants are required.

It is not in this country's best interest to turn tail and run again. It is not in this country's best interest to squander all the blood and money that has gone into what is a noble effort. It is not in this country's best interest to leave Iraq at the mercy of al-Qaida and worse. Of course the people want to be able to run their own country on their own without outside help. But most do NOT want the USA to leave until they can do that. And despite what the left wing anti-American media is saying, the Iraqi government, military, and police force is getting stronger all the time.

It is not in this country's best interest to lose just because we have no will to win. We might as well put up a huge flashing neon sign over America: "Wimps and wusses and fuzzy thinking here - we don't have the will to finish anything if you make it the least bit difficult,, so you won't have any trouble at all whipping our asses"
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 04:49 am
Foxfyre wrote:
We might as well put up a huge flashing neon sign over America: "Wimps and wusses and fuzzy thinking here - we don't have the will to finish anything if you make it the least bit difficult,, so you won't have any trouble at all whipping our asses"


That would take quite a long time to read.

But something worth to be discussed, anyway.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 04:59 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
What would constitute success in Iraq?


Success in Iraq would be a government committed to qualifying their country to join the free peoples of the world complete with human rights, free trade, and capitalism. It would be a country where terrorists would find neither tolerance nor friends and a country that, when left in peace, nobody would need to fear. It would be strong enough to enforce these conditions and be a beacon to other backward nations to follow suit. It would help stablize an unstable Middle East and make the world a little safer for everybody.

Turkey is a shining example of an Islamic country that has achieved these goals. There is no reason to think that Iraq could not also, but it will not happen if those trying to achieve it are constantly undermined and weakened by the negative nabobs and those who are willing to see failure in Iraq rather than give President George Bush any credit for its success.


And, exactly whose goals are these? Who has decided that Iraq should be a capitalistic country? If it is such a backward nation, why is the U.S. afraid of it? Why should George Bush get credit for an invasion...yes, an invasion, of a country that has never attacked the U.S.?
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