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PARENTS BRINGING UP A SPOILED GENERATION!

 
 
ralpheb
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 01:08 am
It will be interesting when I get home. The little ones have been in day care everyday and the wife is about exhausted from doing everything. Now the daddy comes home:) when I was home on leave the little guy found out daddy counts to three a lot faster than mommy. Plus. They wont be in daycare during the day.
I dont see whats wrong with esatablishing boundries and rules for the kids. ALL kids need structure. If they don't get it at home where are theygoing to get it? They need it for when they go to school, and later on when they go to work.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 05:00 pm
(not the thread I wanted to attach this to, but desperate times ...)

Leave those kids alone

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WHAT COULD BE more natural than a mother down on the rec-room floor, playing with her 3-year-old amid puzzles, finger-puppets, and Thomas the Tank Engine trains? Look -- now she's conducting a conversation between a stuffed shark and Nemo, the Pixar clown fish! Giggles all around. Not to mention that the tot is learning the joys of stories and narrative, setting him on a triumphal path toward school.

A "natural" scene? Actually, parent-child play of this sort has been virtually unheard of throughout human history, according to the anthropologist David Lancy. And three-fourths of the world's current population would still find that mother's behavior kind of dotty.

American-style parent-child play is a distinct feature of wealthy developed countries -- a recent byproduct of the pressure to get kids ready for the information-age economy, Lancy argues in a recent article in American Anthropologist, the field's flagship journal in the United States.


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Lancy is concerned that specialists behind the movement -- psychologists, social workers, preschool teachers -- are too aggressively promoting this intense, interventionist parenting style to low-income parents, and that they are are too quick to claim that adult-child play is crucial for human development. He doesn't quite rule out that some interventions may improve literacy -- though the data are murkier than the psychologists admit, he insists. But the programs, with their premise (as he sees it) that a whole class of people is simply parenting badly, leave their advocates "open to charges of racism or cultural imperialism."


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Still, the proselytizing on behalf of playful middle-class approaches vexes many anthropologists. A crystallizing moment for their concern came with the publication of a lengthy article in The New York Times Magazine last November by Paul Tough, an editor at the magazine, on efforts by some educators to erase cultural differences between low-income and middle-class students.

Tough leaned on the work of the University of Maryland sociologist Annette Lareau, who has described the dominant middle- and upper-middle-class parenting style as one of "concerted cultivation": scheduled time, interactive banter and play, and the encouragement of the child to challenge the parent's opinions. In contrast, she summarizes the low-income parents' approach as "the accomplishment of natural growth": less direct involvement with the kids, more unsupervised play, and more enforcement of rules.

More controversial than the sociological work was Tough's summary -- that poor parents fail to deliver "everyday intellectual and emotional stimuli" or to impart "character," "self-control, adaptability, patience, and openness."


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Mica Pollock, an associate professor at Harvard's Graduate School of Education, says it's one thing to encourage low-income parents to read to their kids or tell them stories. But "it's a huge and dangerous overstatement to say that low-income parents don't stimulate their children." In fact, some research, she says, suggests that the approach used by some low-income parents teaches virtues such as patience and adaptability better than more freewheeling parenting styles.

And let's not idealize middle-class kids: "Some of those children are being raised to be spoiled, demanding, requiring constant adult attention, and inclined to argue with their parents," Pollock says.

This debate is unlikely to sway the convictions of the pro-play crowd. Stevanne Auerbach, the author of "Smart Play, Smart Toys: How to Raise a Child with a High PQ" -- play quotient -- says her goal is to "encourage parents to understand that they are their children's first big toy." But for the parents not energized by the prospect of all those hours in the playroom -- parents who would rather be doing something else -- Lancy's article offers the solace that comes from knowing you're not alone, globally or historically. Goodbye Thomas the Tank Engine, hello sports pages?


Dr. Lancy's webpage

Not sure what I think about this.

Is it somehow related to helicopter parenting?

one of a whack of articles on helicoptering
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 06:29 pm
Innerestin.'

I still like the slacker parent idea. Be there in a general way, but let the kid wander and fiddle and come up with stuff (if not outright kicking kid out the door to play with other kicked-out kids in an unstructured way).

I remember one time I was doing this and that on the computer and sozlet was trying to get my attention -- forget how old she was, maybe 3-ish -- and I wanted to finish this one thing and the one thing ended up taking a long time and she got bored and wandered off. I knew she was upstairs and fine, just doing her own thing. I finally finished what I was doing and looked at my watch and way more time had passed than I expected and I felt terribly guilty.

I went in search of her and found her in the closet, engrossed in making this extremely elaborate structure with hangers. Her eyes were bright and she was completely engaged and enjoying herself. When I showed up she wasn't particularly interested -- wanted to keep doing what she was doing. Then when she was done she came and got me and showed off the final product, with much pride and sense of accomplishment.

It made an impression on me that what I felt guilty about could have some actual benefits.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 06:32 pm
Found it, that'd be nearly 4:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=897712#897712
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 06:36 pm
Yeah, I tend to think it's more about being there when they need you, and less about directing their play. It IS important to interact with babies and children, but it should be natural interaction, for which there are usually plenty of opportunities.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 06:42 pm
o.k. - so I'm beginning to be sold ...

I'm at the tail end of the generation that's all about helicoptering, and I saw/see a lot of the 'playing parents' around me. Not sure I ever stopped to really think about the downside (for the kids).
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 04:15 am
Interesting stuff, ehBeth.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 04:32 am
Btw, on an unrelated topic.. from your last link:

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Is this really true!? Damn!

I'm sure its not true in Holland.. not to mention Hungary..
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 09:25 am
Interesting for sure!

I want to read the full article but from what you've posted it reminds me a lot about what I found when I was researching Waldorf schools....
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 09:43 am
I only just actually read the article -- I agree with Alison Gopnik, which is entirely unsurprising as she's been one of my very favorite parenting-theory people ever since I read her book "The Scientist in the Crib":

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Alison Gopnik, a developmental psychologist at Berkeley, agrees with parts of Lancy's argument: In much of the world, parents are unlikely to be the main caregivers, and Americans go overboard with structured parent-child play which has explicit academic goals. But she says that Lancy vastly understates the interactions between parents and children. In many cultures, mothers hold their babies much, much more than American mothers do, and holding and cuddling a child can be as stimulating and playful as peek-a-boo, she says.

"The fact that non-Western parents do not interact with their babies like Western parents doesn't mean they aren't interacting with them," Gopnik says.

And if African children learn from older siblings how to use a bow-and-arrow in a playful way, she asks, how different is that from American parents (or nannies) playfully teaching kids practices useful in American culture, such as verbal agility?
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 02:40 pm
On the other hand, Head Start parenting classes (Head Start works with both generations) encourage parents to talk to their children.

There are Head Start Wee Ones who have propped bottles more often than not. A little encouragement to show love accomplishes wonders.
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luvmykidsandhubby
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 12:21 pm
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luvmykidsandhubby
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 01:46 pm
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