Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

Thank you, Nicole Page, for presenting a few home truths about the parlous state that Australia's major cities have arrived at via courtesy of the government's non-discriminatory and PC-blinkered immigration policy.

While here in Australia we have a major problem of over-representation of criminality found amongst our Muslim community - so much so that the government has had to establish a full-time 'Middle Eastern Crime Squad' - yet over there in Britain they have a Prime Minister who is the chief proponent for lobbying that permission be granted to allow Turkey's 80-million Muslims free access to flood into Europe as members of the EU.

It appears from the many posts I have read in response to my expressed concerns that you British have learnt absolutely bugger-all about the iminent demographic threat which is about to descend upon you from the direction of the former Ottoman Empire.

People keep blaming immigrants for a reduction in English culture. I don't see that.

I tell you where the reduction in English culture is coming from though.

Walk along high street and look around. How many Starbucks are there? How many McDonald's and Burger Kings are there? How many TGI Fridays are there? Go to a calendar shop. Notice how many calendars have American celebrities on them?

Yes, immigrants are coming to England. They are settling. They are maintaing their own culture. And yes, there are non-whites causing crime problems. That's not a culture issue, though is it? It's a crime issue.

Do you know where the biggest threat to our "English" culture comes from? America. That's right. The US.

It's the US that is setting up countless coffee bars and McDonald's and American style cinemas and franchises. It's the US' litigious culture that is being copied over here in the UK. It is it the US' get-rich-quick and dreams of grandeur that is infecting the society.

Every American I've spoke to has commented on how the UK is becoming more and more like Little America.

kitchenpete... you are obviously a tragic and stereotypical example of someone who has learnt to roll out all the 'right' PC patter, and all the 'correct' multiculturalist rationalisations, and all the leftwing-liberal 'progressive' de rigueur bullsh*t which you and your ilk are wont to employ to disguise the fact that you know damned well that your English nationhood has been hijacked and usurped by 40-years of a highly inappropriate and incompatible racial and religious immigration bandwagon.

Apparently it will take a few more bombs for such as you to snap out of your complacency and your torpor.

Last I checked the majority of British people were either Christian or considered themselves to be Christian. Ah, but you're right. Christianity is a Middle East religion...

Seriously, you're blaming the wrong influences.

Don't lose any sleep over it, Wolf O'Donnell - it's a no-brainer.

Herberts is, as usual, full of sh*t--the blacks and Muslims in England come from what was formerly the British Empire, and not the Ottoman. It wouldn't make any difference, anyway, as the Ottoman Empire collapsed a century ago--it's meaningless drivel, like everything he posts.

Two nations which have had large-scale immigration from what was formerly the Ottoman Empire are Canada and the United States. Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese--all those groups are very well-represented in North America. We don't have a problem with them. We didn't even have much of a white trash reaction to them after September 11th, either--a few incidents, but surprisingly few given the millions of Muslims who live here.

The problem here is what one might call the "Herberts Dimbulb Categorization" conundrum. If someone white and Strine bops Herberts over the head and takes his wallet, it's "That sunovabitch robbed me! ! !" If someone who looks even remotely middle eastern bops Herberts over the head and takes his wallet, it's "Bloddy Wogs, they're all the same, they're all moral degenerates and criminals."

What a waste of flesh and blood.

herberts

You will see from my sign-off line that I'm quite happy to hear your views. I have different views and I'm actually quite amused by the nature of the insults we're trading!

Yes, I may be the product of the PC environment you describe - I'm not quite 35, so my life started after the first influx of non-European immigrants to the UK. Some of their descendents are my friends.

I don't know exactly where you were to arrive at your views but I'm glad that the environment has changed so that there are fewer people with your views than there used to be.

I don't fall into the trap of thinking that a minority part of any "group" should taint all of that group, be they black, asian, muslim, catholic, jewish, American, Australian or any other. There are plenty of people who are like me - male, educated, white, relatively affluent - i.e. "lucky" - who I find highly objectionable. That doesn't mean that I view all of "my type" as bad.

Isn't it your bedtime now? To sleep, perchance to dream! :wink:

I just hope if I ever wind up in court, that irrational thinkers like Set aren't on the jury.

What differs Western Australian values, culture and traditions culture from the Eastern, Northern or Southern Australian?

You've got a gall calling anyone irrational--the loonie gun nut par excellence. You'd prefer, i'm sure, a jury of obsessional racists, so you'd feel more at home.

Unfortunately, law abiding citizens are required to surrender their arms before entering a court of law.

It's easy to point at the higher percentage of crime amongst immigrants and state that the most criminal elements from other countries come to first world countries.
There is a large gap between the concept of a multicultural society and true equality between different ethnic groups. As long as certain groups are offered less opportunities to enter and thusly integrate in our current society, there will be a difference between said groups and societies at large in areas such as education, culture and crime.

Herbert,
At what precise point does someone cease to be an immigrant, and become a full member of a country? How many years does it take? How many generations? I doubt there is even one country worldwide where the ethnicity of its denizens hasn't changed drastically at at least one point during their history. Maybe Japan, but it's the only country I can think off really.
The difference of course being that the flux of immigration usually had to do with loosing a war, whereas the current European 'immigration problematics' stem from a large part from the policies in the fifties and sixties of last century, when said countries tried to lure immigrants in order to create a labor pool for the rapidly expanding industries. That time has passed, but its consequences haven't. It changed our societies dramatically, and for a large part people are still adjusting. Both natives and immigrants.

Yes, but we all know the reason for that, don't we?

Yes, stupidity.

Of the gun holder, yes.

You mean the magistrate? Bailiff? Judge? Or the boyz there to support their homey?

What are you advocating? What's your point? Isn't it a good thing that no one is allowed to have guns in the courtroom except for the state employees (judge, sherrif, etc)?

No. It is a violation of our second amendment rights.

But, uh...isn't it safer than allowing anyone with license (or moxie enough that they can skirt that), to be armed in court?

The second amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms as a member of a well-regulated militia. It does not guarantee the right to carry and use any goddamned fire arm i want and can afford anywhere and whenever i want. The fruitcakes of the handgun lobby, though, have always shown an incredible reading-comprehension debility.