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Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 12:08 pm
Setanta wrote:
What really makes me irritable is Walter . . .. . .


That explains everything ....!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 12:19 pm
Hopefully, such doesn't lead to an Irritable Bowel Syndrome. (But peppermint oil and eating more fibre might prevent that.)
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Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 05:39 pm
Setanta is more likely to suffer from Irritable Vowel Syndrome (also known as "Inconsonance")
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 06:11 pm
Nimh thinks that there is DeJure Racism in the USA? He is dead wrong and I defy him to give evidence. As a European from the almost third world economy of the Netherlands, he knows nothing about American so called Racism. Nimh, like many Europeans only know what they read in their left wing journals. Like so many other failed Socialist countries, the EU wallows in thier ridiculously high Unemployment rates and their retarded living standards.

Perhaps, NIMH does not know what "DeFacto" Racism means.

I am sure that he does not know that in the USA you can call anyone almost any kind of name but you CANNOT even breathe the first syllable of the first part of a certain word---N.....

Nimh does not know that:

l. In 1990 CBS commentator Andy Rooney was SUSPENDED for a month for allegedly making remarks offensive to blacks

2. A North Carolina School teacher was fired for frequently calling his American Indian students "wagon burners" and black students "jungle bunnies"

3. Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott was fined and suspended for a YEAR for using terms like N..... and monkeys to refer to African American Baseball players.

Since NIMH appears to be absymally ignorant about American Society, he does not know those things. I can, list dozens of like items that have occured in the USA which only go to show that it is positively proscribed to behave in a DEFACTO racist way!


But What about De Jure Racism? It does not exist. Moreover the juridical climate in the USA severly punishes any crime if it is shown to have even a slight amount of racism at its core. Crimes can be punished more severly if they are proven to be HATE CRIMES.


But this the ignorant Nimh does not know. He does not know it because it would spoil his chance to, from his superior non-racist perch,( which will be cured when the majority of the people in the Netherlands are Muslim and he is a minority) he can pass judgment on the country he envies--the USA!
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 06:20 pm
"Regularly scheduled entertainment" is what I'd wanted to post... Razz
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 06:40 pm
Eorl wrote:
Setanta is more likely to suffer from Irritable Vowel Syndrome (also known as "Inconsonance")


Kudos, Boss . . . that was truly hilarious . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 06:44 pm
BernardR wrote:
Nimh thinks that there is DeJure Racism in the USA? He is dead wrong and I defy him to give evidence.


Under the Reagan Era Federal Sentencing Guidelines, penalties for the possession of crack cocaine were much harsher than those for the possession of powdered cocaine, and above certain quantities mandated prison sentences. As was recognized then and as is still recognized today, crack cocaine is a drug of choice among the poor, especially black and brown boys and girls in the ghettos, while powdered cocaine is a drug of choice of the white middle- and upper-classes, such as was one the case with Georgie Boy Bush.

There's your de jure racism for ya, sucka . . .
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 07:24 pm
BernardR wrote:


Since NIMH appears to be absymally ignorant about American Society,

But this the ignorant Nimh does not know.!

Possum R Fartbubble you continue to amaze me with your intellectual prowess. Is english your second language?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 02:03 am
I am amazed that the learned and most erudite Mr. Setanta has missed what would appear elementary facts about the Crack Cocaine sentencing guidelines.

In his eagerness to besmirch President Reagan, Mr. Setanta left out the critical fact that President Clinton upheld the sentencing guidelines put into play during the Reagan years.

In his eagerness to show that the US system is DE JURE racist, Mr. Setanta has not indicated that the Commissions on Sentencing have come through with recommendations that the sentencing for the possession of Crack Cocaine( usually dealt with by minorities) and Powder Cocaine( Usually dealt with by Whites) have been in play for the last ten years and that court findings have, by a wide margin, come down on the side of more equitable sentencing.

Again, Mr. Setanta does not know that De Jure Racism has all but disappeared in the USA. And when it does rear its ugly head, it is quashed by our courts.
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 12:37 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Anonymouse wrote:
Japan and Korea have a virtual absence of crime, a share purpose and heritage. Since there is homogeneity, there is no social conflict since much of the people get the same educations and the same traditions. There are no lawyers waiting to sue every thing that is offensive, there is no equal opportunity laws, no hate crime laws, no discrimination laws, and a plethora of other bureaucratic legislations that plague the Western world in terms of multicultural sensitivity. As such, I am only pointing out that multiculturalism and its problems cannot be solved unless you get rid of multiculturalism, which is not the case. And as such, you must accept the problems that come with the territory so to speak.

(Though from 2003) The Economist:
Quote:
Japan's national police agency recorded 2.85m crimes last year, a 60% increase from a decade earlier and the highest number reported since the end of the second world war.


The Crime Library:
Quote:
But despite their garish style, the yakuza cannot be taken lightly. In Japan there are 110,000 active members divided into 2,500 families. By contrast, the United States has more than double the population of Japan but only 20,000 organized crime members total, and that number includes all criminal organizations, not just the Italian-American Mafia. The yakuza's influence is more pervasive and more accepted within Japanese society than organized crime is in America, and the yakuza have a firm and long-standing political alliance with Japan's right-wing nationalists. In addition to the typical vice crimes associated with organized crime everywhere, the yakuza are well ensconced in the corporate world. Their influence extends beyond Japanese borders and into other Asian countries, and even into the United States.



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Some minor notes.

On the assertion about crime: Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I should say that everything I have been thus stating is in comparison to the West. There is no country without crime and I am not talking about absolutes. It is also interesting why you did not include Korea in your example.

For you to take what I have stated, both about homogeneity and now about crime, at face value and try to give it a spin, I find is unwarranted.

The main point I have been making that the more homogenous, the less crime a country experiences and the more cultural and national cohesion follows has not been addressed.

All things considered, you have disputed minor factoids here and there, but you have not begun to address the main point of what I have stated. And as far as crime in Japan, we have the following from Wikipedia:

Quote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Japan

Furthermore, to get an understanding of Japan and how it tackles its ethnic issues and culture I urge you to read the following article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#Background

You cannot simply walk into Japan and 'be Japanese'. You can drink as much Sake and wear a kimono as long as you want, Japan has a very conscious idea of its ethnic make up. The same goes for the Koreas. Now contrast their cultural and national cohesion and low crimes with that of the West.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 12:56 am
Your links are persuasive, Anonymouse. Anyone who is fairly familiar with History and Cultures in the world would agree with you immediately.

Mr. Walter Hinteler's post did not address your thesis directly. I dare say that the crime rate in Washington DC probably matches the entire crime rate in Japan!!!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 12:57 am
I do hope that the learned and erudite Mr. Setanta did not miss my reply which showed that he was mistaken:

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I am amazed that the learned and most erudite Mr. Setanta has missed what would appear elementary facts about the Crack Cocaine sentencing guidelines.

In his eagerness to besmirch President Reagan, Mr. Setanta left out the critical fact that President Clinton upheld the sentencing guidelines put into play during the Reagan years.

In his eagerness to show that the US system is DE JURE racist, Mr. Setanta has not indicated that the Commissions on Sentencing have come through with recommendations that the sentencing for the possession of Crack Cocaine( usually dealt with by minorities) and Powder Cocaine( Usually dealt with by Whites) have been in play for the last ten years and that court findings have, by a wide margin, come down on the side of more equitable sentencing.

Again, Mr. Setanta does not know that De Jure Racism has all but disappeared in the USA. And when it does rear its ugly head, it is quashed by our courts.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 03:34 am
Anonymouse wrote:
You cannot simply walk into Japan and 'be Japanese'. You can drink as much Sake and wear a kimono as long as you want, Japan has a very conscious idea of its ethnic make up. The same goes for the Koreas. Now contrast their cultural and national cohesion and low crimes with that of the West.

You have established that there is both relatively low crime and great homogenity in Japan. You have not established any cause and effect relation between the two.

From what I gather, you argument is that since there is A (low crime rate) and there is B (homogenous population), therefore A must be the result of B. That seems like a bit of a nonsequitur. There could be many other characteristics of Japanese society, or any combination of them, that might be equally or more responsible for the relatively low crime rate.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 04:12 am
BernardR wrote:
Since NIMH appears to be absymally ignorant about American Society, he does not know those things.
Shocked Bernard, we probably agree on a good deal of subjects, but on this you are as wrong as you can be. I would wager my Kingdom that Nimh is not only not ignorant about American Society but that he understands and is more knowledgeable than 95% of Americans about American Society in each and every measurable politically important way there is (that's not to say he isn't frequently wrong, politically :wink:). A2K affords you the ability to click on a name and read every post said poster has ever written, should you choose to do so. I recommend you read a few of Nimh's before accusing one of the most informed members of A2K of ignorance again. The results will surprise you if you're coherent... and likely amaze you if you if you have anything resembling an open mind. Try it.

nimh wrote:
From what I gather, you argument is that since there is A (low crime rate) and there is B (homogenous population), therefore A must be the result of B. That seems like a bit of a nonsequitur. There could be many other characteristics of Japanese society, or any combination of them, that might be equally or more responsible for the relatively low crime rate.
Just pretending to understand those cool Greek words again and stuff... Do you mean Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc? :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 05:20 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Do you mean Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc? :wink:


Thanks, Bill - that's what it is and not my prost ata, ergo sum. :wink:
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 05:37 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Do you mean Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc? :wink:


Thanks, Bill - that's what it is and not my prost ata, ergo sum. :wink:
Damn Germans and all their gibberish. I don't even speak English all that well. :wink:
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 06:49 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Just pretending to understand those cool Greek words again and stuff... Do you mean Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc? :wink:

Probly, hellfino about all that stuff - I just wanna give 'em quid for their quo knowhatImean?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 07:09 am
Laughing http://able2know.com/forums/images/avatars/114366763944b11761448f6.gif Laughing
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 08:40 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
nimh wrote:
From what I gather, you argument is that since there is A (low crime rate) and there is B (homogenous population), therefore A must be the result of B. That seems like a bit of a nonsequitur. There could be many other characteristics of Japanese society, or any combination of them, that might be equally or more responsible for the relatively low crime rate.
Just pretending to understand those cool Greek words again and stuff... Do you mean Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc? :wink:

Technically, what nimh is describing is a cum hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy -- that's where two things occur together, and the inference is that one caused the other. A post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy is where one thing precedes another chronologically, and the inference is that the former caused the latter.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 09:46 am
You mean, like my unwise decision to read Bernard's posts, after which i immediately had to run to the bathroom to violently retch . . . are you saying my conclusion that the violent reaction of my stomach arises from that incident of unwisdom is fallacious?
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