Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

SierraSong wrote:

He does, however, see the United States as the biggest threat to what's ailing his country. While he's certainly entitled to holding that opinion, I'm just curious if you agree with him.

Your proposition is unfounded. You have provided no evidence that Wolf considers the United States to be "the biggest threat to what's ailing his country." You have not established that Wolf thinks his homeland is "ailing." Therefore, there is no good reason to answer your loaded question.

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Setanta wrote:

Say, Snood . . . ain't you one a them darky immigrants? Don't your people come from Africa?

That's right - the darkiest, scariest, look-ma-there-goes-the-neighborhoodest.

BOO!

Didja get askeerd!?

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I peed my pants.

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The herberts of this world:

Far-right ties in Belgian murders
A Belgian teenager accused of killing two people in a race attack in Antwerp has far-right family links, police say.

Hans van Themsche shot a pregnant black nanny from Mali and a two-year-old white girl in her care, before himself being shot and injured by police.

Mr Van Themsche, 18, also shot and injured a woman of Turkish descent.

"He obviously was in search of people of foreign origin to shoot them down. That's what he declared himself," a public prosecution spokeswoman said.

The spokeswoman, Dominique Reyniers, added that the suspect was questioned on Friday and was due to appear in court after his recovery in hospital.

We have to avoid our society being sucked into a spiral of violence
Belgian PM Guy Verhofstadt

Police say Mr Van Themsche's father helped found the now defunct anti-immigration party Vlaams Blok, and his aunt is an MP for its successor, Vlaams Belang.

Vlaams Belang won regional elections in Flanders in 2004, but has been kept out of government by a coalition of all the other parties in the Flemish assembly.

The Belgian government has strongly condemned the shootings, describing them as an extreme form of racism.

Hundreds of people marched in Antwerp on Friday to condemn the attacks.

Calls for calm

The shooting spree began on Thursday, after Mr Van Themsche bought a hunting rifle in a shop in Antwerp.

He walked to the city centre and shot the woman of Turkish descent in the chest, as she sat reading a book on a bench.

The woman was badly injured but survived the attack.

The teenager than shot two more people - the pregnant woman from Mali and the white toddler in her care - killing them both.

Police later intercepted Mr Van Themsche, and shot and wounded him in the stomach after he refused to put down his gun.

Mr Van Themsche - an agricultural college student - was reportedly asked to leave boarding school just days earlier for smoking. He also reportedly left a farewell letter.

Following the shootings, Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt called for calm.

"We have to avoid our society being sucked into a spiral of violence," he said. "The police and the judicial system will do all that is needed for justice to be done."

The killings follow an attack last Saturday in the city of Bruges, in which a black Frenchman was left in a coma after being beaten up by a group of skinheads.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4765855.stm

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SierraSong wrote:

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
And how was that supposed to lighten the mood? Good God man! That was horribly partisan.

Funny from one that contends all of your problems are caused by Americans...

How is that funny? I don't understand. You'll have to explain yourself. This person is a Canadian. Fair enough. So what? He is not causing my country any problems. I never said he was. I just said that his article was biased.

Furthermore, I never said the US was causing our probelms in the UK. I said the US was a bigger threat to what is considered British. It is a cultural issue. It may indirectly cause some of the problems here, but that is unfounded; we cannot say that for sure.

All I ever said, was that UK culture is looking more and more like the US culture so therefore it is the US that is causing the most cultural change. Not the immigrants. Not Europe. The US.

It may be splitting hairs to you, but I assure you, it is more along the lines of separating the strands than splitting one individual strand.

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Wolf, Well said; I understand your opinion as an American who have visited the UK many times.

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We must also realize the influence of the Brits in the US.

America's Stonehenge.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/AmericasStonehenge.jpg

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'18 year old murders Turkish woman'. And because nimh and you others here are desperate to find ammunition to discredit those of us who oppose their society being turned on its head through the mass-importation of Third World aliens - you flog the story for all it's worth even though it's quite apparent this was a one-off psychotic episode. Pathetic.

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Lord Ellpus...

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Just take two words from the previous "quote"......."Upstepper Monkeys"

....and do an advanced google on them, See what you get.

You also have to be a registered member to "Find Posts" or "Find Topics started".

Result?.....at the very top of Googles results comes "Dogbomb - BNP"

Zieg Heil, Herberts.

That has surprised me. I'm not a registered member and only inadvertently came across that website and that particular forum page yesterday while doing some Googling.

And rather than recoiling in shock at the connection with the BNP - why not instead address the issues which the woman has presented in her post... ?

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nimh...

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First, you yourself brandish an article from "the honourable Sir Andrew Green" noting what "all major studies" [..] have shown the economic benefit to the host community to be; specifying that "in Britain it would be about £25 per head per year".

And then, when someone quotes that back to you, you turn around and say that it's all bull ****? Suddenly all those major studies are no longer relevant?

You must be on very insecure ground if you're taking issue with me over the difference between a lousy £25 per head per year benefit to the British public and zilch as the sum-total economic benefit after a full 40-year period of the government flooding the British Isles with unassimilable Third World immigrants and refugees.

That is a case of you grasping at straws with both hands. Laughing

Stop panicking, nimh... you know these figures give the lie to those who once hawked the fiction that mass-immigration would be a boon to the British economy. I didn't believe them then - and my scepticism has proven to be totally correct.

The nett 'benefit' to the British people is that they now have to live in a racially-divided homeland for the first time in its history - and also are now obliged to live with a growing Islamic community of whom a sizeable portion hate their guts as infidel Westerners who deny the existence of Allah.

Nice work guys.

And I'm[/u] the problem... ? The mess you idiots have gotten yourselves into with your voting habits has had nothing to do with rightwing politics... but everything to do with leftwing politics - of which you people are the sponsors and the proponents.

Myself and the BNP have had nothing to do with the situation you fruitcakes now find yourselves in.

And one has to wonder just why it is that by far the biggest source for immigration into Australia comes from the UK... Hellooooo.... ? Very Happy

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snood...

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Herberts is a racist, Nimh, pure and simple...
Maybe the worst kind - just educated enough to obfuscate all his sicko bigotry with a buncha pseudo intellectual jargon.

I don't know why you humor the .... person.

Yeah, why do you humour me, nimh... ? Could it be that you're just bright enough - and just honest enough to realise that I'm not really a nazi and nor am I a 'racist' per se[/i]... but simply someone who is mourning the fact that not just Britain but a whole list of European Western nations have sold themselves out to 40-years of leftwing-liberalist drivel about how much better off they would be if in each of their major cities they were to install a drug-dealing black ghetto at one end of town and an anti-Western Islamic drug-dealing ghetto at the other... ?

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herberts wrote:

even though it's quite apparent this was a one-off psychotic episode. Pathetic.

This was NOT a one-off psychotic episode.

Racist violence and violence against immigrants is pervasive - and increasing again.

Read about the black teenager who was murdered with an axe by racist attackers in England last November:

Student 'killed over skin colour'

Read about the far-right youth in Russia who have murdered at least 28 black students, people from the Caucasus, Jews and foreigners last year alone -including or especially people on their own, children, people asleep:

Amnesty accuses Kremlin of inaction as racism spins 'out of control'

Read about the series of arson attacks on mosques and Islamic schools in Holland, read about the pervasive neo-nazi violence in the East-German states around Berlin ... read about the 2001 murder of 15-year-old Ghanaian-Norwegian Benjamin Labaran Hermansen by the neo-nazi "Boot Boys" ... read about the 2002 murder of Zhao Liutao in Dublin by racists ... read about the neo-nazis in German Dessau who kicked Mozambican Alberto Adriano to death .in 2000 .. read any of X examples to pick from ... read:

EUMC: Racist Violence in 15 EU Member States

Yes, that's 35,022 racist/religiously aggravated offences recorded by police in the UK in 2004 alone; of which, 4,840 wounding; 4,017 common assault; 1,981 criminal damage to a dwelling...

"One-off psychotic episode", my ass.

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herberts wrote:

nimh...

You must be on very insecure ground if you're taking issue with me over the difference between a lousy £25 per head per year benefit to the British public and zilch as the sum-total economic benefit after a full 40-year period of the government flooding the British Isles with unassimilable Third World immigrants and refugees.

No, Herberts..

I am taking issue with you over the difference between the £25 per head per year net benefit you quoted initially, and your subsequent personal assertions about immigration having posed "[nothing] but a nett financial burden and deficit upon the British economy", and in fact constituting, "in terms of the economic benefit", "an unmitigated disaster".

Hmmm ... <weighs> ... net benefit of 25 quid per head a year on the one hand ... unmitigated economic disaster on the other ... yep, the difference seems to be about a bit more than 25 quid.

Or are you getting back on that whole financial burden/unmitigated disaster thing now, too?

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herberts wrote:

Yeah, why do you humour me, nimh... ? Could it be that you're just bright enough - and just honest enough to realise that I'm not really a nazi and nor am I a 'racist' per se[/i]...

<thinks>

Hhmmmmm...

Nope. Thats not it.

Its more like ... this.

You know - kinda the instinct that makes a cat play with a mouse.

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Only marginally relevant, admittedly ... but ... we all deserve to feel some schadenfreude sometimes. It goes perfectly with the Ayaan Hirsi Ali story breaking on the Dutch thread, that way. Chickens coming home to roost and all.

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'Gay porn' movie raises ripples on far right

Thursday May 11, 2006
The Guardian

[Moderator note: image link redacted]

HMS Discovery: A Love Story

He is the poster boy of the BNP, an articulate former teacher whose blue eyes and easy charm helped win the far-right party 11 council seats in Barking, east London. But now Richard Barnbrook, London leader of the BNP, has been forced to deny that an erotic movie he produced and directed as a student was a gay porn film.

HMS Discovery: A Love Story contains scenes of flagellation, men undressing and frolicking in a river and a naked man apparently performing a sex act on another. While this may be hard for supporters of a party opposed to the "promotion" of homosexuality to swallow, Mr Barnbrook's transgressions get worse: the 58-minute film, made in 1989, is described as "Marxist" by one film website.

"It was an art film, end of story. It was not a bloody porn film," said Mr Barnbrook, now leader of the opposition on Barking council. "[..] It is not about homosexuality. It is about sexuality. Anything to do with my past politics or my past work, I am not interested in commenting on."

But yesterday he denied penning erotic poetry set to the footage, which includes the lines: "It bares you like a foreskin's folds" and "Open-mouthed, I shall dream of altar boys."

Mr Barnbrook was a painter, conceptual artist and art teacher before turning to rightwing politics. [..] Fellow extremists appear to take a dim view of Mr Barnbrook's colourful past. On one rightwing website, a poll has been created next to a picture of the BNP man asking: "Is this a poofter or what?"

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Okay, nimh - seeing as you're such a hotshot with sourcing statistical information off the web let's see you drag out some of those statistics which show the violence and the racism which comes from the opposite direction.

You can start with 9/11 and work your way forward, please. Never mind the trivial stuff with Muslims raping and spitting upon European and Australian women upon the basis of ethnic prejudices - let's get down to the really serious and heavy stuff like Madrid and Beslan and London.... and 3 weeks of Muslim youths going on an orgy of destruction across France.

Let's talk about the fire-bombings by Muslims of countless Jewish synogogues across the Western world - just as has happened here in Australia.

Let's talk about the beaches of Sydney Australia where for years sunbathing girls have been jeered at and intimidated with filthy language by gangs of Australian-born Middle Easterners who hate white girls for being who they are.

I listen to Talkback radio in the Sydney area on a daily basis - and every time the issue of the poor behaviour of our local Muslims is raised as an issue of discussion it provokes a log-jam meltdown on the switchboard with both males and females calling in to reciting their tales of how they have been gratuitously insulted and abused by gangs of Muslim youths for no other reason than that they are being targeting as Anglo-Australians.

I'm quite sure you can produce dramatic news-stories about some black being kicked to death by skinheads in Russia... and a few stories about race-based knife-murders in the UK from time to time... but what the PC-constrained press is always reluctant to publish are stories of reverse-racism against the Westerners in whichever country you care to mention.

For every skinhead murder of a black or Muslim there are literally thousands of day-to-day incidences in which white girls - and men - are made the target of ethnic abuse, insult and intimidation from immigrants and their locally-born offspring.

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nimh...

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Only marginally relevant, admittedly ... but ...

You really are desperate to scrape the barrel for anything which might even remotely discredit those espousing conservative opinions, aren't you old son... ? Very Happy

And incidentally you nimh-nuts - you've KICKED AN OWN-GOAL AGAIN!!![/i]

http://www.kenzy.com/smilies/rotflmao1.gif

This forum-site is the last place you should be bringing up homophobic scare-stories as a lever for discrediting ANYONE - regardless of their political affiliations!

able2screw is Gay Central with standing room only for a seething mass of homosexual deviants all festering just below the surface like a can o' worms in an AID's clinic.

With that post you've just upset and alienated more than half the membership here... with snood especially now being very VERY cross with you, you naughty boy!

http://www.xtrememass.com/forum//images/smilies/1203/kekekegay.gif

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The crowd initially assembled without incident, but violence broke out after a large segment of the mostly white crowd chased a man of Middle Eastern appearance into a hotel. The ensuing melee soon became widespread; in the course of it a number of police, ambulance officers and individual members of the public perceived to be Muslims were assaulted.

The following nights saw incidents of retaliatory violence and vandalism by people of Middle Eastern descent in Cronulla and other suburbs throughout Southern Sydney, large gatherings of protestors around Western Sydney, and an unprecedented police lock-down of Sydney beaches and surrounding areas, from Wollongong to Newcastle.

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SKINHEADS VS. HOOLIGANS

Germany Admits Neo-Nazis May Try to Disrupt the World Cup

German officials have admitted for the first time that members of the far right may try to cause trouble when the World Cup soccer final takes place here in June. But Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble says his security forces are ready -- for foreign hooligans, too.

German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble, left, talks to FIFA President Sepp Blatter of Switzerland as German soccer legend Franz Beckenbauer looks on during a security planning conference for the World Cup 2006 in
Berlin.

German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble, left, talks to FIFA President Sepp Blatter of Switzerland as German soccer legend Franz Beckenbauer looks on during a security planning conference for the World Cup 2006 in Berlin.
At a conference on security just 10 weeks before the world soccer championship, German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble admitted on Thursday that neo-Nazi groups were planning to "use the World Cup as a means of raising their profile." Tournament planners had previously downplayed the risk from the German far right, but the Berlin daily Der Tagesspiegel reported on Thursday that neo-Nazi groups were planning to hold street demonstrations during the World Cup.

"The right-wing extremists believe that German police will be 'a weakened opponent' under the strain of policing the tournament," wrote the paper.

The far-right NPD and other neo-Nazi groups apparently want to stage a "freedom of speech" march in Gelsenkirchen, in the Ruhr Valley, and further demonstrations in Leipzig, Berlin, and Nuremberg, to show solidarity with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has openly denied the Holocaust and suggested that Israel should be "wiped off the map."

Gelsenkirchen, Leipzig, Berlin, and Nuremberg will all host games in the tournament, which opens in Germany on June 9.

The newspaper also reported that some elements of the far right want to hand out a CD of songs with the face of Fritz Walter, captain of Germany's world-championship 1954 team, who fought for Germany during World War II. Walter isn't a typical neo-Nazi symbol; former Chancellor

Gerhard Schröder called him an "embodiment of the impeccable and fair sportsman," when the athlete died in 2002. But he's considered a hero for lifting German spirits with a World Cup victory less than a decade after Hitler fell from power and Germany was left in ruins.

Schäuble promised to make the tournament safe without turning it into "a security World Cup." But he also has foreign hooligans to worry about -- especially from Poland, where soccer fans might want to pick a fight with German skinheads. Germany is considering suspending an European Union agreement providing for passport-free travel, Schäuble said on Thursday, in order to weed out potential hooligans.

"Those who want to cause disturbances," he said, "should just stay at home."
msm/taz/reuters

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Between 1880 and 1930, thousands of African Americans were lynched in the United States. Beyond the horrific violence inflicted on these individuals, lynching terrorized whole communities and became a defining characteristic of Southern race relations in the Jim Crow era. As spectacle, lynching was intended to serve as a symbol of white supremacy.

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