Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

I have no need to read about it, I have a brother who has been fully initiated into an aboriginal community who still live the traditional way. He prefers that lifestyle to the European one he would be expected to adopt.

what I think some of you are missing is what its actually like to live in an area predominantly black/asian.

you go home, or in a shop, get on a bus, go to the local housing office etc etc and its totally staffed/filled with black people speaking funny languages. OK thats not a prob in itself, but the way the blacks speak to us whites is appalling. Its like theres one rule for them one for us.

There were many many black people where I lived in London. In the local housing office there was one white person and the other 30 odd staff were black. I was treated rudely and ignorantly by the black staff, whereas the the black residents were treated with respect. Dont tell me Im imagining it, I saw it and felt it.

I may have told this story before but its a true one. Upstepper and I had done a 'big shop' and stuck all our 15 bags of shopping in the lift to go up 4 floors to our flat. At the second floor the lift stopped, and 3 black people tried to get in the lift to go down to the ground floor. We told them we were going up, but one of them stuck his foot in the lift and told us to get out becuase they wanted to go down. We had an argument, some mutterings about In my country I am a prince etc, and needless to say Upstepper lost his rag and we finally got our shopping up to the 4th floor.

Couple this with shootings, machete attacks, flagrant drug dealing, lunatic penetcostal churches, leaflets through your door from witch doctors (I kid you not), general standing in your way, fronting you out, rudeness beyond any rudeness you ever imagined, sub letting of flats to illegals and boiling monkeys heads (or whatever that smell is from their kitchens), blankets at the window instead of curtains, gangs of black youths outside your door, and the ruination for every child of their education through challenging classroom behaviour, and you wonder why people vote BNP?

Labour was always the white working class man's representative in a class riddled society. Now New Labour has adopted a more cebtrist approach and Conservatives are swining nearer and nearer New Labour is it any surprise the ordinary man in the street is saying Hang on, who is representing me these days?

If we have a problem with the black/asian population then the solution lies with the educated black/asian population who should be doing more to sort their cultural problems out. Its not just white people who recognise these problems, black/asian elders recognise them too. Its about time they got off their high horses and started to address just what is going on in their own communities instead of sipping at our board rooms and committees raising their own profile whilst being quite happy to leave their own cultural problems to white politicians to sort out.

But I will right now venture to say that in terms of the economic benefit to Western nations the immigrant floods of the past 4 decades will be noted in the history books as an unmitigated disaster.

And how was that supposed to lighten the mood? Good God man! That was horribly partisan.

That's a load of crap--Wolf has never even remotely made a contention to the effect that all the problems of his homeland are caused by Americans.

People keep blaming immigrants for a reduction in English culture. I don't see that.

I tell you where the reduction in English culture is coming from though.

Walk along high street and look around. How many Starbucks are there? How many McDonald's and Burger Kings are there? How many TGI Fridays are there? Go to a calendar shop. Notice how many calendars have American celebrities on them?

Yes, immigrants are coming to England. They are settling. They are maintaing their own culture. And yes, there are non-whites causing crime problems. That's not a culture issue, though is it? It's a crime issue.

Do you know where the biggest threat to our "English" culture comes from? America. That's right. The US.

It's the US that is setting up countless coffee bars and McDonald's and American style cinemas and franchises. It's the US' litigious culture that is being copied over here in the UK. It is it the US' get-rich-quick and dreams of grandeur that is infecting the society.

Every American I've spoke to has commented on how the UK is becoming more and more like Little America.

Woman, child murdered

11 May 2006 (fourth update)

Racism appears to be the motive of a street shooting in Antwerp in which a man shot and killed a black woman and a child on Thursday, the public prosecution office said.

A second woman, of Turkish origin, was critically injured in the shooting and a responding police officer shot and injured the culprit.

The woman who was killed was working as an au-pair. She was taking care of a Caucasian child, who was also killed in the shooting. Both died at the scene.

[..] The arrested suspect was described by authorities as an 18-year-old skinhead with extreme-right sympathies.

The man had no links with the victims and had no criminal record.

A witness told news agency Belga that the culprit was dressed in black and had long hair, which was shaved off at the side. The man also had a "heavy calibre" rifle with him.

[..] the witness was talking with a friend in the Lange Koepoortstraat when another man approached them. The man passed between the witness and his friend and continued walking.

The black woman and a child were walking along the street some 10m further along. The culprit than opened fire on the woman and then the child.

The witness said there was absolutely no reason for the shooting.

[..] Police also told the witness during his statement that the culprit had already shot another woman before shooting the woman and child.

The first victim was reading on a street bench on the Pottenbrug, a small city square. She suffered a collapsed lung and is in a critical condition. She is not in a life threatening condition, however.

That remote enough for you? (emoticon removed in the interest of good taste)

Street killings were 'well prepared'

A house raid has indicated that the 18-year-old man who shot and killed a black woman and a two-year-old child on Thursday carefully planned his killing spree.

In the bedroom of 18-year-old Hans Van Themsche, police found plans indicating he wanted to kill multiple victims. He was not known to judicial authorities, but had extreme-right tendencies.

The public prosecution office initially said the killings appeared to be racially-motivated, but has since been more reticent in describing the shooting as racism-driven. [..]

The 18-year-old skinhead had walked to the Kleine Goddaard, near the Great Market, in Antwerp on Thursday morning with hunting weapon he had just bought.

He then found his first victim: a 47-year-old Turkish woman who was reading a book on a street bench in front of a language centre where immigrants can learn Dutch.

She was shot in the chest, but is not in a life threatening condition. [..]

The killer than walked to the Zwartzustersstraat where he found his next two victims, a black woman and a native Flemish child on her tricycle. They died almost immediately at the scene after being shot.

The woman has been identified as an immigrant from Mali. She was pregnant and had only lived in Belgium for a year. She was taking care of the girl, aged two-and-a-half.

The shooter remained cool-headed and appeared as though he wanted to continue his rampage in the city centre, but a police officer who was in the vicinity by chance rushed to the scene.

He asked the suspect three times to remove the rifle from his shoulder and lay it on the ground. The man refused each time and when he made a sudden move, the police officer shot him in the stomach. The suspect was taken to hospital for treatment.

According to witnesses, the man appeared very determined and reacted with cold-bloodedness.

"It looked just like the man had stepped out of the film 'The Matrix'. [..]

Racist shooting rampage shocks Antwerp

12 May 2006 (second update)

The 18-year-old man who killed a black woman and injured a Turkish woman during an apparent racist shooting in Antwerp on Thursday has an extreme-right background.

After shooting and severely injuring the 47-year-old Turkish woman, Hans Van Themsche, 18, then shot and killed a pregnant Malinese woman, before killing a two-year-old native Flemish girl. [..]

Van Themsche has since been identified as the nephew of Flemish Interest MP Frieda van Themsche. His father was also a member of the party. The extreme-right party is the successor of the Flemish Block which was convicted of racism in 2004. [..]

Police have found plans indicating he wanted to kill multiple victims. [..] [T]he teenager was meant to be expelled from school on Thursday after being caught smoking and drinking on Wednesday night.

He is then said to have warned he would commit suicide and take 10 immigrants with him, using the derogatory term, makakken. "Than I would have at least done something good," he is alleged to have said.

Van Themsche then disappeared from school on Thursday morning.

He then walked away from school in anger on Thursday, saying he was going to shoot people. [..]

Candles and flowers have already been placed at the scene of the murders and a silent vigil was held at the scene on Thursday night. A silent march is planned in Antwerp on Friday 26 May to further honour the victims.

Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said society must not become involved in a round of spiraling violence. He said the shootings were "horrible, cowardly murders and a form of extreme racism".

"It must now be clear for everyone what the extreme-right can lead to," the Liberal VLD leader said. [..]

Antwerp Mayor Patrick Janssens is amazed that an 18-year-old could legally buy a weapon so easily. However, legislative plans in Belgium will in future impose a waiting time before a gun can be supplied to members of the public. [..]

SierraSong wrote:

That remote enough for you? (emoticon removed in the interest of good taste)

The contention was that Wolf supposedly blames all the troubles of his homeland on the Americans. Your citation does not prove that case.

Therefore, as i said, the contention that Wolf blames all the problems of his homeland on Americans is not even remotely true.