Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

This influx 'must stop'
By Sir Andrew Green
Migration Watch chairman

Sir Andrew Green is chairman of Migration Watch, a body which says migration is neither moderate nor managed and seeks to "thoroughly examine" arguments in favour of immigration on the current scale.

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A recent paper delivered to the Royal Geographical Society reported that a number of British cities are now as ghettoised as American cities.

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England is already heavily overcrowded. It is second only to Holland as the most crowded country in Europe.

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Finally, there is the key question of democracy. The public are deeply opposed to this policy (immigration); 70%, including, interestingly, 60% of Asians, feel that there are too many immigrants coming to Britain.

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The government are riding roughshod over us. "Managed migration" is simply a smokescreen for a failed policy.

Talk of economic benefits is viewed with deep scepticism, and rightly so. All major studies - in the US, Canada and Holland - have shown that the benefit to the host community is minimal. In Britain it would be about £25 per head per year.

The social effects are much more significant and, at present levels, are of widespread concern. It is time for a fundamental rethink on the back of an open and honest debate.

Interesting how I am lambasted here as some sort of fascist ogre for daring to suggest that Britain's Third World immigration programmes be dumped post-haste and reversed if possible... and yet here we have the honourable Sir Andrew Green telling us that the polls reveal that a whole 70% of the white-Anglo British community wants a major reduction in immigration intake.

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Let me repeat - I am not anti-black, or anti-Indian, etc. per se. I am however, very opposed to the immigration of peoples whose cultures and religions ensure they will establish for themselves intransigent and indissoluble 'ethnic community' ghettoes within the homeland territories of the British people.

Needless to say I have absolutely no tolerance whatsoever for Islam and its adherents - and the sooner this cultural disease is driven out of Britain the better.

As a long-term proposition Islam is far more virulent and harmful to Western societies than ever was AID's. Most Western-based Muslims carry this cultural virus as something passive, and dormant, and in hibernation... but given the right conditions and circumstances and this cultural gene is apt to turn into the worst kind of murderous butchery upon the infidel community.

Did the Muslim parents of the 5 London bombers commit acts of murder upon the citizenry? - No. Was the fact that these immigrant parents were carrying the Islamic cultural gene responsible for their UK-born offspring believing it fit and proper to murder 52 innocent souls in the London underground... ? - Absolutely.

And right now living in the UK there are 'moderate' Muslims who will be passing on to their future generations this very same Islamic cultural gene... and it may be a grandson or a great-grandson who in years from now will be inspired by the heroic image of bin Laden and the admonishments of the Koran and the hadiths to go blow himself up in a crowded shopping mall or underground railway system for the Greater Glory of Allah and the Prophet Muhammad ('peace and blessings be upon him').

Britain needs Muslims like wheat-growers need rats in the silos.

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herberts wrote:

Let me repeat - I am not anti-black, or anti-Indian, etc. per se. I am however, very opposed to the immigration of peoples whose cultures and religions ensure they will establish for themselves intransigent and indissoluble 'ethnic community' ghettoes within the homeland territories of the British people.

Needless to say I have absolutely no tolerance whatsoever for Islam and its adherents - and the sooner this cultural disease is driven out of Britain the better.

As a long-term proposition Islam is far more virulent and harmful to Western societies than ever was AID's. Most Western-based Muslims carry this cultural virus as something passive, and dormant, and in hibernation... but given the right conditions and circumstances and this cultural gene is apt to turn into the worst kind of murderous butchery upon the infidel community.

Did the Muslim parents of the 5 London bombers commit acts of murder upon the citizenry? - No. Was the fact that these immigrant parents were carrying the Islamic cultural gene responsible for their UK-born offspring believing it fit and proper to murder 52 innocent souls in the London underground... ? - Absolutely.

And right now living in the UK there are 'moderate' Muslims who will be passing on to their future generations this very same Islamic cultural gene... and it may be a grandson or a great-grandson who in years from now will be inspired by the heroic image of bin Laden and the admonishments of the Koran and the hadiths to go blow himself up in a crowded shopping mall or underground railway system for the Greater Glory of Allah and the Prophet Muhammad ('peace and blessings be upon him').

Britain needs Muslims like wheat-growers need rats in the silos.

What we need to do is to un-radicalise disaffected youth, and pronouncements like that, and attitudes like yours, will have precisely the opposite effect.

You and your attitude are part of the problem. Herbert. How would you turn out, and an asian youth, living in a country where "Paki scum" and "Paki bastards" were everyday phrases, written on walls, chanted by children? Children who have been taught to hate?

You should be ashamed.

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These aliens arrived in the UK as a result of voluntary emigration from their own beloved ethnic homelands... and by the same token the door is always open to they and their UK-born offspring to go emigrate right back from whence they came... or elsewhere.

It is entirely unnatural for a people to have a traditional homeland territory which is identifiably their own through history and ancestry and yet to just passively stand by and accept the intrusions, and the incursions, and the invasions of millions of Third World foreigners of alien races, alien cultures, and alien religions to just come swanning in to set up their own communities amongst them.

That certain of the more vociferous and uninhibited amongst the English have been baiting the Pakistanis as foreigners come to live amongst them as a colonial outpost of Pakistan is perfectly understandable from a demographic and sociological point of view.

These Third World immigrants are correctly perceived by the British native to be foreigners who do not belong in their homeland as fellow-citizens. They are the wrong colour, the wrong culture, and the wrong religion to be perceived as anything other than foreigners encamped on British soil.

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herberts wrote:

All major studies - in the US, Canada and Holland - have shown that the benefit to the host community is minimal. In Britain it would be about £25 per head per year.

Not much, granted. But next time you assert and insist that immigrants are nothing but an economic drain who bleed our countries dry financially, I'll hopefully remember to remind you of this post.

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nimh...

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Not much, granted. But next time you assert and insist that immigrants are nothing but an economic drain who bleed our countries dry financially, I'll hopefully remember to remind you of this post.

Now you're becoming hysterical with paranoia. I have not once broached the subject of the economic benefits or otherwise of 40-years of Third World immigration into Western societies.

But I will right now venture to say that in terms of the economic benefit to Western nations the immigrant floods of the past 4 decades will be noted in the history books as an unmitigated disaster.

Walter will tell you that where once his country invited guestworkers to come in from Turkey to do a few years in the factories before returning home - the actual reality has turned into something of a self-defeating social and economic disaster.

Firstly, the Turks refused to go home - and so successive gutless leftwing German governments in their infinite stupidity decided not to insist that these visa-holding foreigners return home.

Secondly, (much to the consternation of government official) - everey last one of these Turkish immigrants were found to be sending a huge percentage of their earnings out of the country and straight into the national economy of Turkey in the form of remittances to their families... and to pay for home morgages in Turkey which they were servicing from their German wages.

Thirdly, these immigrants insisted on a mass-invasion of family-reunions - further adding an increased burden upon Germany's welfare system.

Fourthly, the boom years of 'The Economic Miracle' have collapsed into a heap as industry has been shifted out to cheaper labour markets in such countries as China and Mexico... with the result that Germany is now lumbered with a huge pool of unemployed who consist mostly of those very same immigrant Turks who once refused to go home.

Fifthly, crime from those of Muslim background is in plague proportion across the nation.

And then there is bitter resentment amongst native Germans that their immigrant population is simply not integrated or assimilating into the broader community. Turkish colonialism is rife across the German nation.

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Incidentally, nimh - I don't believe for even the briefest moment that Britain's Third World immigrants are anything but a nett financial burden and deficit upon the British economy.

How many millions, if not billions of British Pounds Sterling is sent out of the country to benefit relatives and family in Pakistan and India and the like?

Instead of this wealth circulating amongst the British as a home-grown asset it is simply shifted out to benefit the economies of Pakistan and India as money remitted back to families from several million of their migrants living in the UK.

And Britain's welfare burden to service the unemployed, the aged, and the sick amongst the first and second-generation ethnic communities is quite horrendously 'over-budget', year in year out.

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You and your attitude are part of the problem. Herbert. How would you turn out, and an asian youth, living in a country where "Paki scum" and "Paki bastards" were everyday phrases, written on walls, chanted by children? Children who have been taught to hate?

You should be ashamed.

If true, I find this statement quite disturbing. I'm also not clear on who the offenders are. Do you have firsthand knowledge of this, McTag, or is it accusations you've read about?

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I also do not approve of this behaviour, but from a purely academic point of view it has been the highly predictable behaviour of one tribal group resenting the arrival of an alien tribe encroaching upon its homeland territory. There is nothing strange or curious about this behaviour. It has been happening since time immemorial.

And as I have said - immigrants to Britain have always had the option to return to their homelands or move on elsewhere. Of the 18 in my party who arrived in Australia from the UK in 1962 - only 2 of us have chosen not to return home to the UK.

The new generation of Englishman has been carefully taught the notion that he really doesn't have any more of a proprietory claim upon his ancestral homeland than does a Muslim living in Pakistan who might want to take up residency there.

For years the Brits have been sold the pup that their homeland is some kind of 'terra nullius' like the moon or Mars to be freely occupied by anyone who just happens to come drifting by.

And here we are 40-years after the floodgates were opened to indiscriminate and unbridled mass-immigration and a full 94% of the native Britishers are reported to still have no friendships with any of these foreign interlopers.

And what that tells me is that the hostile attitude I've been encountering here is a freak-phenomenon which is not at all representative of the majority view.

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McTag...

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What we need to do is to un-radicalise disaffected youth, and pronouncements like that, and attitudes like yours, will have precisely the opposite effect.

This is tantamount to your admitting to the fact that the British government - aided and abetted by a moronic electorate - have for decades now been stupidly embarked upon the importation of a highly volatile and dangerously toxic Middle Eastern culture to the detriment of homeland security and social cohesion.

You idealistic Utopia-builders deserve every last problem which these disaffected Muslim youths are now giving you. Ditto to every other Western nation which now finds itself lumbered with an insurmountable social and criminal problem for once having thought it a 'progressive' policy to import into their homelands a radically different culture to that of their own.

And what you and your ilk now want to do to sort out this plague that you've brought upon yourselves is to formulate government-funded programmes for appeasing the youthful malcontents amongst this alien community.

You yourselves have introduced the white ants of Islam to the foundations of British society - and now you want to appease these critters with various concessions and flattery so that they might respond by gnawing away at the timbers a little more slowly.

Bring back a Prime Minister with enough balls and strength of character to deal with Britain's Muslim community with a no-more-nonsense, gloves-off, boots-and-all attitude of 'get with the assimilation programmes or suffer the consequences'.

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Here is a prime example of the sort of moronic 'social progressive' lunacy which has been dictating British homeland policy for the past 40-years towards ruining a once-cohesive and united British nation that was comfortable and at peace with itself.

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Of the 170 people on the plane, 89 returned voluntarily to Afghanistan and nearly 50 passengers, including 13 dependants, claimed asylum. The nine hijackers and 25 family members have been resettled in rent-free housing in west London and receive benefits.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/05/11/nhijack11.xml&DCMP=EMC-new_11052006

It's always Muslims who are the refugees being accepted for settlement in Britain. Each of these are a foundation building-block for future political, social and legal agitations for 'Islamic community rights' and special recognition as a people distinct from the British identity and culture.

And let's not forget the half-million illegals who are running around the British countryside with the authorities not having a clue who they are...

And then there's the 1,200 drug-dealers and sundry criminals who were scheduled for deportation back to their Third World cess-pits - but who were then mistakenly released back into British society by the clowns you have running the show over there.

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Britain's bumbling stupidity and pratfalling incompetence with regard to its handling of refugees and its Muslim community has become something of a farce and an international joke.

The Anglo-British public deserves every humiliation that their liberal voting practices over the past few decades has now brought upon them. Total imbeciles.

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herberts,

You don't think living in Australia from European stock makes your position hypocritical?

You still haven't answered.

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Eorl...

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herberts,

You don't think living in Australia from European stock makes your position hypocritical?

You still haven't answered.

Not hypocritical at all. There was nothing here in Australia except grub-eating naked neanderthals wandering about the bush as a freak-legacy from the age of the Middle Paleolithic period of man's early ancestry.

And then again, DNA profiling has discovered that Australian aborigines are immigrants themselves from the southern part of subcontinental India who had gradually migrated their way here by island-hopping down the length of the Indonesian archipelago.

And let me inform you Eorl... there isn't one[/i] damn thing that white settlers to this country have adopted as being of any value from the 45,000-year history of indigenous occupation of this southern continent.

There hasn't been one solitary aspect of their 45,000-year culture that has been worth adopting as a benefit to include into what comprises our Western civilisation.

I think you might be perpendicularly subterranean to most of us, Eorl.

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From your ridiculous xenophobic shockingly racist POV, I'm sure that's true.

The rest of us, however, see it differently.

Just one example, the composer Peter Sculthorpe:

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You probably only listen to music produced by people with black boots and shaved heads, hey herbie?

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Sometime do yourself a favour, Eorl - and read the un-filtered, un-PC, un-white-washed, un-censored, un-glamourised, untampered-with version of the ungarnished truth about the aboriginal cultural traditions, practices, and social norms... and then come back to me with the same naive, bleeding-heart, romanticised attitude about the supposed glories of the traditional Australian indigenous culture.

It was mean. It was cruel. It was brutal. It was wretched. And it was totally a tyranny ruled by liberal knocks and blows from the dictatorship of the aboriginal elders.

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I have no need to read about it, I have a brother who has been fully initiated into an aboriginal community who still live the traditional way. He prefers that lifestyle to the European one he would be expected to adopt.

That's all besides the point though. The point is that you are protesting the infiltration of your ideal white supremacist society by foreigners when you are, yourself, an immigrant in a country whose indigenous population are unlikely to make you welcome given your lack of respect for human beings.

I cannot think of more hypocritical position.

You voice the opinions one might expect to hear from an arrogant racist bigot. Perhaps someone you know?

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US immigration bill impasse eases
The US Senate has reached a deal that could see the approval of a stalled bill that would grant millions of illegal immigrants the right to stay.

But the deal gives Republicans the right to make amendments that could curtail eventual immigrant benefits.

The bill would also need to be squared with laws passed in the House that call for criminalising illegal immigrants.

Pro-immigrant pressure groups have announced another demonstration in Washington next Wednesday.

'Full session days'

One of the Senate bill's key provisions is the opening of a path to eventual citizenship for about 11 million illegal immigrants.

Many Republicans in the House see the Senate bill as an amnesty to lawbreakers.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and the Democratic leader, Harry Reid, have now at least agreed on a compromise that will allow the Senate bill to return to the floor next week, with ample room for amendments to be sought.

Senators will be asked to commit "full session days", voting on amendments with a view to passage within one or two weeks.

Sen Reid said: "The assurances I have received from Sen Frist make me hopeful we can finally move forward on real comprehensive reform."

One of the bill's key supporters, Democrat Sen Ted Kennedy, said he was now confident the bill would be approved by the Senate.

Sens Frist and Reid also agreed the make-up of a committee seeking to unify the Senate and House bills.

The House bill would criminalise illegal immigrants and create a vast fence on the southern US border.

It has sparked huge street protests from immigrant groups and put the issue high on the agenda for November's mid-term elections.

Correspondents say President George W Bush must appease a large section of his Republican party that is opposed to the Senate bill in anything like its current form with sensitivity to the vote of the Hispanics - the nation's fastest growing minority.

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Eorl...

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The point is that you are protesting the infiltration of your ideal white supremacist society by foreigners.

Firstly, I am not a white supremacist. I don't at all mind a few coloured people living in my homeland society as a statistically insignificant minority.

What I object to is the British government having pumped 40-years of black immigration into a white British society towards the effect of it having stupidly and irresponsibly created a racially-divided society where before it was united in its identity.

The British are now obliged as never before to go tippy-toeing around racial sensitivities in their own homeland nation upon a multitude of issues at every level of society.

It is simply disingenuous posturing to pretend that a score of British cities are not now home to 'black communities' in which their loyalties and their allegiances to one another are based solely upon racial sympathies and identification with each another for not being white.

If Britain's black immigration over the past 40-years had instead been a mixture of whites from Scandinavia, America, Australia, Canada, Europe, and New Zealand there would be no black ghettoes and no 'us-and-them' tensions and resentments out there where people live in the suburbs.

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... 11 million illegal immigrants...

It's not just the English who are a bunch of f***wits.

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herberts wrote:

If Britain's black immigration over the past 40-years had instead been a mixture of whites from Scandinavia, America, Australia, Canada, Europe, and New Zealand there would be no black ghettoes and no 'us-and-them' tensions and resentments out there where people live in the suburbs.

Maybe this particular Australian got rejected !! Wonder why ? Wink

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