Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

I think this is plain common sense, by the way:

CANBERRA AUSTRALIA: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false.

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It's fine by me if a group wish to worship in their own way, and we've got plenty of those, but not when the teaching is against civil law. No argument there.

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McTag wrote:

SierraSong wrote:
McTag wrote:

I'm certainly not blind to the problems: I outlined them in my post #1.

..............

It is disreputable, however, to equate "muslim" with "wrongdoer" as some of out scribes here, and their sources, are attempting to do.

As do we all. Um, it's those other fools (like the ones responsible for 7/7?) you need to worry about. If there ain't any there, then you're home free. Otherwise, you might want to take a page from Australia's PM and...

Kick the bastards out.

Actually so far, here we've had more trouble from the Irish than from the muslims.
We have kicked very few Irish out.

LOL Ain't nuthin' to see here folks. Move along. Go back to sleep, y'all.

(And f*ck those fricken' Irishmen with their honor killings, homophobia, polygamy, marital rape, forced marriage, and intolerance of democracy.)

Laughing

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The hate brigade is alive & well on this thread. The white we are always right gang just love throwing their hate encrusted invectives around.
Where does it come from, what are they seeing from inside their ivory towers. Certainly it's not what I see at street level.

I live in a town just north of London, with a population of 33,000. About 6% are of an ethnic minority. A mix of Asian, Afro Carib, Polish & Italian

A few miles away in Stevenage there is a population of about 80,000 people of whom 94.6% is white, 2.1% is Asian & 1.2% Afro- Carib & 2.1% of other nationalities.

With 2 smaller towns & some villages nearby, it's an area of about 140,000 people of which about 6% are from overseas

In the 15 years I've lived here I have not seen or heard of any racial problems. People get on with life. We live, work & socialise together.
We don't have segregation, street fights, riots or ghetos. There are no mindbenders parading with banners or inciting unrest.
This can't be the only area in the UK that is at peace with itself.

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(And f*ck those fricken' Irishmen with their honor killings, homophobia, polygamy, marital rape, forced marriage, and intolerance of democracy.)

Touché - if not the coup de grâce! Laughing

Isn't it just so typical of obscurantist liberals like McTag that he should busy himself exploring ways of diverting critical attention away from the Islamic brotherhood by drawing red herrings across our path with dark hints and allegations about the Irish in his neighbourhood not quite all being paragons of virtue... ? Very Happy

But nevertheless, I give McTag some credit for at least venturing a couple of reluctant paragraphs here and there in which he admits that Islam is not beyond reproach for some of its more violent and anti-social pronouncements against the infidels and Western concepts of democracy.

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oldandknew wrote:

In the 15 years I've lived here I have not seen or heard of any racial problems. People get on with life. We live, work & socialise together.
We don't have segregation, street fights, riots or ghetos. There are no mindbenders parading with banners or inciting unrest.
This can't be the only area in the UK that is at peace with itself.

That sounds lovely. It's too bad that 52 of your countrymen won't be able to "get on with life", or "live, work & socialise together". All of that ended for them on July 7, 2005.

Shame, really.

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SierraSong wrote:

oldandknew wrote:
In the 15 years I've lived here I have not seen or heard of any racial problems. People get on with life. We live, work & socialise together.
We don't have segregation, street fights, riots or ghetos. There are no mindbenders parading with banners or inciting unrest.
This can't be the only area in the UK that is at peace with itself.

That sounds lovely. It's too bad that 52 of your countrymen won't be able to "get on with life", or "live, work & socialise together". All of that ended for them on July 7, 2005.

Shame, really.

All of the July 7th bombers were born here. There's nowhere they could have been deported to, even if there were legal grounds against them before the event.
So, we have an alien culture among us which can turn malevolent and has turned malevolent in part. How do we deal with that? That is the question.

Note, most British asians are as horrified by what happened as the rest of us.

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McTag...

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Note, most British asians are as horrified by what happened as the rest of us.

Asians? Why not include the rest of the UK Muslim population... ? Middle Eastern Muslims are not 'Asian'. Your feeling the need to resort to silly euphemisms as some sort of PC substitute for the term 'Muslims' really is quite absurd.

There are thousands of Muslims living in Britain who are most definitely not the friend of the British people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/07/23/npoll23big.gif

And oldandnew is definitely off with the pixies at the bottom of the garden if she thinks the UK's last 40-years of Third World immigration has been something welcomed with open arms by the British public. After 40-years of Third World immigration 94% of the British public still have no inclination to socialise with these aliens.

http://www.cre.gov.uk/Default.aspx.LocID-0hgnew01y.RefLocID-0hg00900c001002.Lang-EN.htm

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McTag...

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All of the July 7th bombers were born here. There's nowhere they could have been deported to, even if there were legal grounds against them before the event.

So, we have an alien culture among us which can turn malevolent and has turned malevolent in part. How do we deal with that? That is the question.

You don't appease this home-grown monster. You don't pander to it and massage its ego and its ambitions for expansion and political power in your own homeland nation as the politicians have been doing for these many years.

1. Scrap Britain's 'multicultural' policy under which 'cultural diversity' has become the catchcry and the banner under which immigrant aliens have sought to establish cultural colonial identities which shun any such idea that they should assimilate with the 'English' identity and ethos.

2. Stop all further Islamic immigration.

3. Disband Islamic schools.

4. Prohibit Muslims from seeking marriage partners outside of Britain.

5. The government to provide for a financial incentive package to encourage Muslims to return to their ancestral homelands.

6. Only English to be spoken in the mosques.

7. The government no longer to receive 'delegations' and representatives and lobby-groups of Britain's various 'Muslim communities'.

The British government is composed of such a bunch of pussies they can't even bring themselves to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir which is banned in several other countries including Egypt.

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Incidently I'm new to computers and if anyone could help me find this so-called world wide web they keep telling me about I'd be really grateful.

We have one million[/i] PC owners in Australia alone... and then there are all those computers in English-speaking countries such as America, Canada, New Zealand, Great Britain etc... but post on any forum site and it's usually a matter of needing to wait a full 24-hours before someone can be bothered to come wandering along to post a reply - which is usually a one-liner anyway...

And incredibly, I've been told home computers have been in operation as early as 1983.

So where the hell is everyone... down at the pub... ?

'world wide web' my arse.

Here, take this!

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I just went back and re-read McTag's opening post in this thread and now realize I probably read it wrong the first time.

I don't think he's seeking advice on ways to deal with the Islamofacist faction within his country so much as he's concerned with a possible rise of "nationalist right-wing political parties", which he says is "not a good thing".

If I understand him correctly, he thinks it's perfectly understandable that those allowed to enter his country should keep "their cultural identity, and their religious adherence, and even their language". Many would see this thinking as putting up barriers to assimilation, but McTag's wisdom seems to be that it does not.

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But at least we can be thankful that President Bush's clear vision will lead us to victory in Iraq, and the Iraqi people to the sunny uplands of peace, freedom and democracy.

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There some strange people in this funny old world. SierraSong & Herbie have taken it upon themselves too tell us how we should sanitize the UK, if not the whole world & make it a safe place for WASPs too live & work.
What do they base their stance upon ?
One of them is in Texas & t'other is in australia. Not exactly 1st hand knowledge gleaned from daily experience or when having a drink in the pub.

America or much of it, expects the rest of the world to be a carbon copy of the USA. We should all drive a Chevy, drink bottles of Bud, smoke Camel, salute the flag & wear shirts with button down collars. Well we prefer to do some cherrypicking, the good bits. Most of us are able too manage in our own cultures, even if they are a bit ancient.

Oh yeah & if you find that the French or the Italians don't speak English, just shout louder & louder till they learn. It's amazing when you find out that you've been charged a 100 bucks for a beer, 2 cokes & a vin rouge. C'est la vie.
I love it.

Vive la difference

p.s. if i were of the gullible kind & took you 2 jerks seriously, I'd really believe & accept those 7 points that Herbie has recently posted.
You 2 have had your merry jape, got a lot people wound up but this little soap opera has run it's course, so why don't you get a new soapbox from which you can release some different VENOM

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That may be true, but it doesn't in the least alter or take away from the glorious victory awaiting us in Iraq, thanks to the unwavering vision of a courageous commander-in-chief.

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No wonder herberts won't answer my question about all the English descendants being sent back to where they came from.

He's an immigrant, or the offspring of immigrants in Australia !!!

What a hypocritical position.

(and snood....dude!.....seriously!)

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herberts wrote:

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The government, which is working desperately to formulate an official policy on Islam, now estimates its Muslim population at 4 to 5 million. Most social scientists believe this number is too low, speaking of as many as 8 million Muslims in France.

Source...

8 million even, rather than four million, according to some, huh.*

Well, in that case, even if two-thirds of the prison population is Muslim (which seems to be at the high end of the estimates quoted here - "over half", 60%, 70%) - then actually, only about 0,5% of French Muslims is in jail.

Ergo, this assertion of Sierra's ->

SierraSong wrote:

I'd think having nearly two-thirds of your Muslim population rotting in your prisons would be of concern.

-> is even more nonsensical than I thought.

Thanks for helping to point that out, Herb. :wink:

* (Wiki quotes a "study conducted by Michèle Tribalat, a researcher at INED, and based on 1999 French census returns" that showed that even "claims of 5 to 6 million Muslims in France were largely exaggerated", btw).

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snood wrote:

That may be true, but it doesn't in the least alter or take away from the glorious victory awaiting us in Iraq, thanks to the unwavering vision of a courageous commander-in-chief.

This cannot be too often stated--without the vision, the resolution and leadership of President Bush, we could never hope for the victory that awaits us in Iraq.

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herberts wrote:

Asians? Why not include the rest of the UK Muslim population... ? Middle Eastern Muslims are not 'Asian'.

Last I checked the Middle East is in Asia.

herberts wrote:

After 40-years of Third World immigration 94% of the British public still have no inclination to socialise with these aliens.

http://www.cre.gov.uk/Default.aspx.LocID-0hgnew01y.RefLocID-0hg00900c001002.Lang-EN.htm

Interestingly enough, you omitted the other half of the finding you quote.

"Most white people (94%) have few or no ethnic minority friends, while nearly half (47%) of non-white people, say most or all of their close friends are white."

Nearly half of the non-white people in the UK say "most or all of their close friends are white".

Where does that leave your assertions about how those immigrants dont integrate, dont want to mingle, stubbornly resist English culture?

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Well! What a comedy of errors! One hardly knows where to begin! If I'm going to keep on returning here to this subterranean cesspool of Leftwing Frankenstein monsters it might be time I registered for a Pest Control licence so I can legally use the sort of toxic chemicals that will eradicate the infestation here...

Or perhaps I should use a flamethrower on you lot as a cheaper and more effective alternative... ?

http://www.gouranga.com/images/gtavice/vc-203.jpg

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...or you could just answer the questions. You seem very determined to ignore mine.

Are you a person of European descent living in Australia?

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oldandknew wrote:

There some strange people in this funny old world. SierraSong & Herbie have taken it upon themselves too tell us how we should sanitize the UK, if not the whole world & make it a safe place for WASPs too live & work.
What do they base their stance upon ?
One of them is in Texas & t'other is in australia. Not exactly 1st hand knowledge gleaned from daily experience or when having a drink in the pub.

Reading comprehension problems? Please show me (assuming you've read more than two paragraphs of this entire thread) where I "took it upon myself" to show you anything. First hand knowledge? Hell, people in your neck of the woods have been telling us how to behave for decades. Of course, we just laugh and ignore.

oldandknew wrote:

America or much of it, expects the rest of the world to be a carbon copy of the USA. We should all drive a Chevy, drink bottles of Bud, smoke Camel, salute the flag & wear shirts with button down collars. Well we prefer to do some cherrypicking, the good bits. Most of us are able too manage in our own cultures, even if they are a bit ancient.

I assure you the majority here don't give a **** what you smoke, drive or drink. I did read the other day that Great Britain has just made its last payment to us on Lend/Lease, so thank you for that. I'm sure we'll put it to good use.

oldandknew wrote:

Oh yeah & if you find that the French or the Italians don't speak English, just shout louder & louder till they learn. It's amazing when you find out that you've been charged a 100 bucks for a beer, 2 cokes & a vin rouge. C'est la vie.
I love it.

Vive la difference

You do know to what depths of esteem the French hold you English, right? Sad, but hey, that's for y'all to work out amongst yourselves. Try to stay civil, though.

oldandknew wrote:

p.s. if i were of the gullible kind & took you 2 jerks seriously, I'd really believe & accept those 7 points that Herbie has recently posted.
You 2 have had your merry jape, got a lot people wound up but this little soap opera has run it's course, so why don't you get a new soapbox from which you can release some different VENOM

Actually, if you were the "reading" type, you'd know that Europe, and not just your little part of it, is in deep doo-doo, but don't worry about it. Just go back to sleep.

You've chosen not to defend yourselves. You (and the rest of Europe) have strapped yourselves with an untenable socialist economy and huge unassimilated immigrant populations. Y'all really shouldn't worry too much about the ugly American. You should worry about Mohammed down the street.

Sleep well.

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