Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

No sound card. But heard the original broadcast. Did they say Scotland was the most violent place in the developed world?

Aye, they did. So you jist watch it Jimmy, urr ah'll pit the heid on ye.

I think most of us want to believe as you do. That would be a perfect world.

The reality is more like this:

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Seventy percent of the inmates in French prisons, Bawer reports, are Muslim. Four out of five residents at Oslo's main women's shelter are non-Norwegian women seeking protection from male family members. In Denmark, "Muslims make up 5 percent of the population but receive 40 percent of welfare outlays." Ninety-four percent of asylum seekers who come to Norway arrive with no identification, a well-known subterfuge around Europe that virtually ensures asylum on humanitarian grounds.

Even if that's true (which this guy says it's not) I'd think having nearly two-thirds of your Muslim population rotting in your prisons would be of concern.

My comment was rhetorical.

Much like all your other comments.

Bawer asserts that the reality - confirmed for him by the resistance of European Muslims to assimilation, and the marked presence in their communities of honor killings, homophobia, polygamy, marital rape, forced marriage, and intolerance of democracy and pluralism - is that European Muslim leaders, with demographics on their side, still is that European Muslim leaders, with demographics on their side, still harbor the millennial hope of taking power in Europe, and see the European attitude as both weak and hostile. It is "political correctness," Bawer writes, that has "gotten Europe into its current mess."

This is exactly the scenario which herberts, in his own inimitable style, outlines.

Take it up with Bawer and the French guy.

Then go back go sleep.

This is exactly the scenario which herberts, in his own inimitable style, outlines.

SierraSong, I believe McShag is coming to his senses and is managing to stay awake long enough to absorb the truth of what some of we more realistic commentators have been telling him in recent days. When he's not occupied with ducking and weaving to keep seagull sh*t from peppering his anorak he's probably studying yours and my posts to get up to speed with the latest developments on the Eurabia Islamic front.

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This is exactly the scenario which herberts, in his own inimitable style, outlines.

I'd think having nearly two-thirds of your Muslim population rotting in your prisons would be of concern.

The government, which is working desperately to formulate an official policy on Islam, now estimates its Muslim population at 4 to 5 million. Most social scientists believe this number is too low, speaking of as many as 8 million Muslims in France.

In his recent book L'Islam dans les Prisons, Farhad Khosrokhavar, a professor of Sociology at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales in Paris estimates that French Muslims make up some 70 percent of a total of 60,775 prisoners in France.[/URL]

[Islam in Jail: Europe's Neglect Breeds Angry Radicals (NewYorkTimes - archived, but available thru a google search)

In less than a decade, there has been a radical shift in France's prison population, a shift that officials and experts say poses a monumental challenge.

Despite making up only 10 percent of the population, Muslims account for most of the country's inmates and a growing percentage of the prison populations in many other European countries, an indication of their place at the bottom of the Continent's hierarchy

Another site of extremist recruitment is the European prison system. For example, at least ONE-HALF of France's prison population is believed to be Muslim.

...one estimate given by the International Herald Tribune places France's prison population at around 60 percent MUSLIM.

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Another site of extremist recruitment is the European prison system. For example, at least ONE-HALF of France's prison population is believed to be Muslim.

herberts wrote:

SierraSong, I believe McShag is coming to his senses and is managing to stay awake long enough to absorb the truth of what some of we more realistic commentators have been telling him in recent days. When he's not occupied with ducking and weaving to keep seagull sh*t from peppering his anorak he's probably studying yours and my posts to get up to speed with the latest developments on the Eurabia Islamic front.

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This is exactly the scenario which herberts, in his own inimitable style, outlines.

I'm certainly not blind to the problems: I outlined them in my post #1.

It is disreputable, however, to equate "muslim" with "wrongdoer" as some of out scribes here, and their sources, are attempting to do.
Statistics can be used selectively, and we should not be blind to that fact.
Police take a keener interest in the lower levels of society, and more of them wind up in jail. (At the weekend, a well-connected chap called Kennedy crashed his car in Washington, into a police barrier I believe, but he was not arrested nor breath-tested...for example)

I know some muslim people in my home town, who are fine citizens. I know some native caucasians who are gobshites, and would do anyone a bad turn. I know some christians who should be ashamed of themselves.
I don't like the pigeonholing of people. People of good will should come together, and be encouraged to do so, and the rest should have to deal with the law.

McTag wrote:

I'm certainly not blind to the problems: I outlined them in my post #1.

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It is disreputable, however, to equate "muslim" with "wrongdoer" as some of out scribes here, and their sources, are attempting to do.

As do we all. Um, it's those other fools (like the ones responsible for 7/7?) you need to worry about. If there ain't any there, then you're home free. Otherwise, you might want to take a page from Australia's PM and...

Kick the bastards out.

cjhsa wrote:

Ah, the right wing is crawling out from under its stones again....

"Send me your poor, your huddled masses....."