Hmmm.. here you were, cheering on the BNP as "your boys" when they pick up a seat or two, bringing them up time and again - until someone actually posts what its leader actually
says - and suddenly its all, well the BNP is just a "rudimentary and early proto-type", nothing more than a "moribund curiosity" - ha ha, who's on the back-foot here!
What's the latest on Rita Verdonk wanting to send the gay Iranian immigrants back to Iran, because, you know, she thinks they can live perfectly normal lives there and all the hooey about the mullahs hanging gays is just that - hooey.
herberts wrote:But even so, he and his party are at present serving as litmus paper for discerning the public mood... and it's beginning to look as though the tide of public opinion may just now be turning against the liberals.
Yeah, except that the real litmus paper of course would be the Conservatives as they're the ones that gained the most votes.
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:Yeah, except that the real litmus paper of course would be the Conservatives as they're the ones that gained the most votes.
... even though their new national leader, David Cameron, has been the first in many years to hardly breach the subject of asylum-seekers - which his predecessor Michael Howard tried so unsuccessfully to milk in last year's general elections.
In fact, the local elections serves as first success for Cameron's new line of a more centrist, inclusive, environmental and yes, even
multicultural-oriented conservatism.
SierraSong wrote:What's the latest on Rita Verdonk wanting to send the gay Iranian immigrants back to Iran, because, you know, she thinks they can live perfectly normal lives there and all the hooey about the mullahs hanging gays is just that - hooey.
She's been forced to retreat on that one:
Dutch suspend deportations of Iranian gays, Christians
MPs to halt deportations of gays and Christians to Iran
She seems a bit desperate to keep them out of Holland, as evidenced by this bit of skewed logic:
Quote:Verdonk said in a letter to parliament in March that there was no question of anyone being executed or sentenced to death in Iran purely on the basis of their being gay, although she did concede that gay sex was punishable by death under the Iranian interpretation of Islamic law.
Quote:Citing a previous assessment by Dutch officials, she maintained gay people and Christians don't face a significant risk of persecution in Iran, as long as they are not too open about themselves.
It appears there's a bit of picking and choosing going on in embracing this whole multiculturism idea, huh?
I guess the logic is, hey, we demand people in our country to adapt to our culture, so its wholly A-OK that the Iranian government demands
its people to "adapt" as well (or die...) - like, to not be openly gay and stuff...
Something...
immigratio
herberts wrote : "Come back in 15 to 20 years and you may see a far more cogent, and talented rightwing party enjoying broad sympathy and popular appeal amongst Britain's white, Christian Ango-Celtic public who will by then be thoroughly exasperated by the ubiquitous predominance of ethnic crime - and Islamic community agitations for special privileges and exonerations for being an alien and colonial entity that wishes to further isolate itself from the general kafir community. "
seems the poles aren't going to wait that long .
warsaw : poland's far-right and populists yesterday entered power in coalition with conservatives , formimg a government that , more than six turbulent months after legislative elections , will command a majority in parliament .
the coalition will consist of the nationalist , viruently anti-EU 'league of polish families' , the anti-liberal , populist Samoobrona (self-defence) , and the conservative law and justice party . (from : AFP)
well , who said there was no hope for mankind ?
hbg
nimh...
Quote:Hmmm.. here you were, cheering on the BNP as "your boys" when they pick up a seat or two, bringing them up time and again...
Now now, be fair. It's YOU people who keep refering back to the BNP everytime I should happen to venture an opinion or two. And it's YOU people who like to exhume Hitler from the ashes every time I make pronouncements of a conservative hue...
Sierra...
Quote:What's the latest on Rita Verdonk wanting to send the gay Iranian immigrants back to Iran, because, you know, she thinks they can live perfectly normal lives there and all the hooey about the mullahs hanging gays is just that - hooey.
Yeah... why not instead re-direct these pillow-biters to go live in London as sex-refugees seeking safe haven in this modern day Sodom and Gomorrah... ?
As ambassador to the London gay bath-house community Steve can be waiting for them in hot drag and 'come-f...k-me' stilettoes at Heathrow Airport with a bouquet of roses and a box of ribbed condoms...
Wolf...
Quote:Yeah, except that the real litmus paper of course would be the Conservatives as they're the ones that gained the most votes.
Dear O dear, read my lips Wolfie...
Britain's so-called 'Conservative Party' is a fraud, a farce, and a joke for this title being a total misnomer for a party which embraces every last one of the Left's liberalist policies upon multiculturalism; fostering the development of Islam in Britain as an ongoing immigration stream; anti-deportation of illegals and terrorist suspects; pro- ethnic private schooling... etc etc.
Apart from voting for the BNP - you Brits haven't had an opportunity to vote for anything right of
Che Guevara since Churchill left office...
Hamburger... Thanks for that uplifting and encouraging news about the Poles having at last grown balls big enough to flash their middle-finger at the One World lefties who dominate the UN and the EU - and to their own limp-wristed trendy liberalists who have been hell-bent upon sponsoring the sort of Third World immigration which has become a blight upon half a dozen European and Scandinavian nations.
And to tell the truth I'm surprised by this sudden turn-around in the political sympathies of the Polish public... who I personally have always found to be solidly Far Left in view.
But then again, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised. Upon Joseph Ratzinger's recent appointment as Pope Benedict XVI - he very promptly declared a state of emergency in Europe for the Catholic church due to the massive encroachments of Islam in recent years.
The former Pope John Paul II was far more inclined to go for the trendy photo-opportunity and be seen kissing the feet of Islam's imams rather than be heard warning his own Christian flock that their preeminence in Europe was under dire threat from the Muhammadans from the East.
The Poles have always been a people who are saturated in religious hysteria of the Catholic brand - and it just might be that they have decided to take heed of Ratzinger's warning to the European nations to close their borders against the Green Flag of Islam.
One can only hope that this radical trend towards the Right in Poland spreads itself rapidly across Europe as a Wake Up call to other nations to defend their traditional identity against the incursions of ethnic 'multiculturalism'.
herberts wrote:My comment was rhetorical.
Much like all your other comments.
Hey on Broadcasting House, BBC Radio 4 this morning there was a piece about traditional sectarianism in Scotland (which I've been going on about to general apathy here, no I'm not complaining) and if anyone wants to hear it you can get a replay online.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/bh/
An excellent book on the subject:
While Europe Slept.
You can read a good review here:
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/entertainment/books/13896555.htm
McTag wrote:Hey on Broadcasting House, BBC Radio 4 this morning there was a piece about traditional sectarianism in Scotland (which I've been going on about to general apathy here, no I'm not complaining) and if anyone wants to hear it you can get a replay online.
. No sound card. But heard the original broadcast. Did they say Scotland was the most violent place in the developed world? When I was a boy I nearly got knifed in Dunoon...on a school trip. Its much more civilised now Trainspotting etc..
Yes, it's a worrying situation. From the article
"According to Bawer, liberals in Europe, even more than their American counterparts, want to believe that most Muslim immigrants share Western middle-class goals: a safe place to live, opportunities for their children, and the like. That accounts, Bawer argues, for the odd mix in their attitudes to Muslims: joy in the "multiculturalism" that makes their previously homogeneous societies more "colorful," and a nativist desire to keep Muslims in their place as exotica.
Bawer asserts that the reality - confirmed for him by the resistance of European Muslims to assimilation, and the marked presence in their communities of honor killings, homophobia, polygamy, marital rape, forced marriage, and intolerance of democracy and pluralism - is that European Muslim leaders, with demographics on their side, still harbor the millennial hope of taking power in Europe, and see the European attitude as both weak and hostile. It is "political correctness," Bawer writes, that has "gotten Europe into its current mess."
(end quote)
This is exactly the scenario which herberts, in his own inimitable style, outlines.
I must confess I am of the persuasion described in the first paragraph. From mutual respect can grow mutual understanding- but it must be done over a background of controlled and planned immigration, and proscribing of religious extremism.
The only alternative would seem to be the degeneration of society into a bloodbath, Enoch Powell's prophesy. I don't believe it need come to that.
Steve (as 41oo) wrote: No sound card. But heard the original broadcast. Did they say Scotland was the most violent place in the developed world?
Aye, they did. So you jist watch it Jimmy, urr ah'll pit the heid on ye.
I think most of us
want to believe as you do. That would be a perfect world.
The reality is more like this:
Quote:Seventy percent of the inmates in French prisons, Bawer reports, are Muslim. Four out of five residents at Oslo's main women's shelter are non-Norwegian women seeking protection from male family members. In Denmark, "Muslims make up 5 percent of the population but receive 40 percent of welfare outlays." Ninety-four percent of asylum seekers who come to Norway arrive with no identification, a well-known subterfuge around Europe that virtually ensures asylum on humanitarian grounds.
