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Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 05:31 am
herberts wrote:
If half of Britain's politicians were not homosexuals and closet transvestites this would all have been done ages ago.
you know Herberts for all I think of you as a rolling-eye-foam-at-the-mouth type lunatic I gotta admit you make me laugh sometimes.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 05:31 am
herberts wrote:
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It (BNP) also picked up three seats in Stoke-on-Trent, where Labour lost overall control, and three more in Sandwell in the Black Country.


I was refering to this article posted up by Steve. That is definitely a case of wiping the floor. Something of a blitz in fact.


In that case, the Conservative Party must have flooded the floor with Labour. Your assertion is silly to say the least. BNP did nothing of the sort and to say that it wiped the floor is wishful thinking.

Lib Dems also gained a lot of seats too, far more than the BNP. Does that mean it wiped the floor with the opposition?

You should wake up yourself.
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 05:39 am
Steve... (a prospective disciple of mine...)...
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you know Herberts for all I think of you as a rolling-eye-foam-at-the-mouth type lunatic I gotta admit you make me laugh sometimes.


I was being polite. It's three-quarters of British politicians who are getting royally screwed by their butlers when their wives are out shopping at Harrods for some fresh jewellery to wear at their next cocktail party...

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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 05:52 am
herberts wrote:
Steve... (a prospective disciple of mine...)...
I wouldnt follow you to the toilet.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 06:39 am
herberts wrote:
You're right! Your good news about the BNP having wiped the floor with the opposition caused me to be distracted for a moment.


herberts wrote:
Quote:
It (BNP) also picked up three seats in Stoke-on-Trent, where Labour lost overall control, and three more in Sandwell in the Black Country.


I was refering to this article posted up by Steve. That is definitely a case of wiping the floor. Something of a blitz in fact.


Just to put this "blitz" in perspective, these are the actual full results from the two councils Steve mentioned...

Code:
Stoke-on-Trent

Previous +/- 2006

Labour 32 -2 30

Conservative 5 +1 6

Liberal Dem 5 0 5

BNP 2 +3 5

SALT 2 -1 1

Others 14 -1 13


Code:Sandwell

Previous +/- 2006

Labour 53 -3 50

Conservative 11 0 11

Liberal Dem 5 0 5

BNP 1 +3 4

Others 2 0 2


5 out of 60 seats in Stoke, and 4 out of 72 seats in Sandwell. Yeah, they "blitzed" the place and "wiped the floor with the opposition" allright. Not.

Across the country, yesterday, the BNP won an extra 24 seats, which more than doubles their total number of councillors - from 20 to 44. They scored stunning gains in the London Eastend council of Barking & Dagenham especially, where 11 of the 13 candidates they put up were elected. This still only gets them about a fifth of the seats in that council though; and this was by far their best result of the night.

In fact, to put this in perspective again: there were over 3,000 council seats up for election yesterday, of which the BNP thus won about 0,7%. And the total number of council seats in the UK is some 4 times of that still, of which the BNP thus now have about 0,3%.

Moreover, The BBC news blog pointed out that, nationally, the party's share of the vote did not even actually increase. The BNP has always focused on scoring upsets in selected wards, rather than engaging in a national strategy, which gets them much publicity but doesn't, in the end, amount to much in terms of overall council representation or power.

A running commentary about yesterday's local elections is in the Tony Blair thread, from this post on.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 08:10 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
herberts wrote:
Steve... (a prospective disciple of mine...)...
I wouldnt follow you to the toilet.


I read this as you do actually follow some people to the toilet. Why the hell do you do that? Why does anyone? Just plain weird...
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 09:55 am
kitchenpete wrote:
Let's just highlight a couple of differences between immigration to the UK and to the USA.

1. Poles, Czech and Hungarians are now EU members, so have every right to move from their countries to the UK in the same way that someone from Idaho can move to New York or California. It's just part of the principle of "freedom of movement of labour" which is one of the central tenets of the European Union. It is a necessary part of being in the EU as a free market. In the same way, I'm working in the Czech Republic and don't need to get a permit, just register with the police.

2. European countries (in this case the UK) have more social programmes paid for by taxation than the USA, i.e. more healthcare and social security payments for those who live in the country. It is therefore necessary to ensure that those who pay taxes (whether originally from the UK or elsewhere - e.g. highly paid American bankers in London!) do not have to subsidise those who turn up simply to receive benefits/treatment for illnesses. In fact, the National Health Service is undertaking a programme to stop treatment of those who are not entitled to it (i.e. providing emergency care only) and to reclaim money from those who have been given treatment without entitlement.


Some might see that as downright dangerous to the public interest. Or, do you mean that those with communicable diseases would somehow be exempt from the refusal of treatment? How would you know until you treated them?

Also, I don't mind you posting your opinions on immigration problems facing the U.S., but could you kindly get your facts straight?

The education of millions of children here illegally is subsidized by U.S. taxpayers. (See Plyler v. Doe, 5-4 Supreme Court decision 1982.)

The U.S. also spends billions on healthcare for its illegal immigrants due to the fact that it's illegal here to refuse treatment to those simply because they cannot pay. Of course, this is subsidized by the taxpayers.

As more and more evidence shows, illegal immigrants in the U.S. consume far more dollars than they contribute and what they do contribute is grossly disproportionate.
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oldandknew
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 10:12 am
steve asked ------------------------------------
And? What are you calling for, a population cull?



No. There is already a cull going on in Irag. The Insurgents, any number of petrol bombers, the religious mindbenders from around the world & of cause the illegal Bush/Blair troop invasion started a few years ago, all are running a culling policy.
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The Afganistanistan population has been culled ever since Russian troops invaded way back when. It wasn't so long ago that large numbers of the Balkans population was heavily culled, and that theatre of death became the launch pad for many subsequent immigration & criminal problems in other countries.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 10:33 am
A slight modifier there, OaK, Afghanistan has been in a civil war since the early 1960s--more than 40 years. Different star billing from time to time, but essentially the same cast of characters . . . and victims.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 11:30 am
kitchenpete wrote:
1. Poles, Czech and Hungarians are now EU members, so have every right to move from their countries to the UK in the same way that someone from Idaho can move to New York or California. It's just part of the principle of "freedom of movement of labour" which is one of the central tenets of the European Union. It is a necessary part of being in the EU as a free market. In the same way, I'm working in the Czech Republic and don't need to get a permit, just register with the police.

This is true for the UK, but not (yet) for most other EU Member States. The UK, Ireland and Sweden were the only "old" EU Member States who opened their borders and labour market to the citizens of the new member states (from Latvians, Poles, Hungarians, etc). The others still maintained restrictions, although they are obliged by the EU to eventually suspend them. It is because the same goes vice versa, I suppose, that I did also have to apply for a residency and work permit when I came to Hungary last year.

This year, a number of other "old" EU states will open their labour market to the new member states' citizens the way Pete described as well: Spain and Portugal, Finland, not sure which others. But Germany and Austria are still keeping the borders closed for the time being, for example. (Ironically, the EU Observer reported the other day, in this interim period before restrictions are lifted, through some fluke of overlapping regulations, it is even harder for citizens of the new EU Member States to get work and residency permits in those countries than for those from outside the EU!)
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oldandknew
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 02:36 pm
Hi Setanta -------- thank you for the correction. So Afganistan has a rolling franchise for culling just like Palestine & Israel. I expect someone sooner or later will take up the Northern Ireland franchise
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 04:13 pm
Isn't the following just so typical of leftwing bias and word-smithing and tweaking to reduce the perception of a win for the right. Here we have an excerpt from an opinion poll taken by that celebrated bastion of the liberal-elite: the BBC.

Quote:
Half of British people (49%) and two-thirds of British Muslims (66%) do not think that Islam is incompatible with the values of British democracy.


That sounds so much more innocuous and PC than
Quote:
More than half of British people (51%) believe that Islam is incompatible with the values of British democracy
.
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 04:39 pm
Here's another unintentional exposé of the real situation which pertains in Britain today... that of UK-born citizens of Third World background who retain so much of their parent's culture that they are identified as foreigners.

(ie. "where'd you go for your holidays, Mustafa... ?" Reply: "Went back home to see the rellies in Karachi".)

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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 04:57 pm
And how's this little beauty... ? This is precisely why I say the Anglo-British voting public is a collective retard which, just like nimh's 'Betty', deserves every race riot and Islamist outrage that's coming to it.

Their third greatest concern about their homeland society revolves around the issue of inappropriate immigration sources - and racial and cultural divisions and tensions within their homeland society... and yet you morons vote into power liberalist policies - election after election - whether this be from your faux-conservative party or New Labour.

Just look at the graph below and try to reconcile this rising concern with me being labeled as 'nuts' here... and bear in mind that when eventually these at-present conservative and labour voters finally decide to vote according to what concerns them most - the BNP will experience a dramatic increase in their membership.

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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 06:41 pm
herberts wrote:
Just look at the graph below and try to reconcile this rising concern with me being labeled as 'nuts' here...

Ehmm... that graph proves zilch of your point.

Eg: I, too, think "race relations and immigration" is one of the main/important issues facing" my country today. Yet I dont consider the particular solutions (if that's what one could call them) that you suggest about it any less nuts.

Ie, you're not nuts because you feel immigration / intercultural relations is an important topic - you're nuts because of what you have to say about it.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 08:29 pm
herberts wrote:
Isn't the following just so typical of leftwing bias and word-smithing and tweaking to reduce the perception of a win for the right. Here we have an excerpt from an opinion poll taken by that celebrated bastion of the liberal-elite: the BBC.

Quote:
Half of British people (49%) and two-thirds of British Muslims (66%) do not think that Islam is incompatible with the values of British democracy.


That sounds so much more innocuous and PC than
Quote:
More than half of British people (51%) believe that Islam is incompatible with the values of British democracy
.

Fair enough point, there.

On the other hand, the BNP's own Nick Griffin isn't too averse from some wordsmithery himself; see the next post.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 08:33 pm
Last night, on election night, David Dimbleby interviewed Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party (BNP). It's fascinating; what the BBC's news blogger called a "devastating forensic interview".

The video is available: here.

For the record though - and because it's not, as far as I can tell, available online anywhere else - here's the transcript of the interview ... starting from just after Dimbleby and Griffin finish the introductory wrangling about how many seats the BNP won. Very interesting.

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DAVID DIMBLEBY: Ehm - people say of you, of course, that you're [thrive?] on conflict because at general election time and other times you don't do so well but you get a lot of publicity during local elections in specific areas where there are problems that you, bat-, batten onto. And that is roughly the truth, isnt it?

NICK GRIFFIN: No, all, all small parties are obviously disadvantaged come big elections times, general elections times; at local elections the public can elect their, real feelings out and there are genuine concerns about issues related to immigration, asylum, and multiculturalism, and the British people - they're not just voting against the Labour party, in this election we've had some tremendous results against the Tories as well - the British people in these areas are saying, we've had enough of the whole multicultural experiment, especially if it's financed with our taxes, without our consent.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: Do you think that eh, people who vote BNP, for instance, believe that mixed marriages or having a mixed sexual partner, is neither moral nor normal, is that what people who vote BNP think?

NICK GRIFFIN: I dont think they think about it and nor do we, such things aren't a job for political parties or government to even think about.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: Thats on your website, for the BNP.

NICK GRIFFIN: No its not. No -

DAVID DIMBLEBY: I'm quoting from it.

NICK GRIFFIN: Wuh, uh

DAVID DIMBLEBY: We, you will never accept mixed marriages or mixed partners as moral or normal.

NICK GRIFFIN: Yeah thats true, thats, that's our position. But, but, the pub-, the pub. The pub-, the public won't mind that While we dont accept that its normal ourselves, we dont believe it's something that any government, even a British National Party government, has any right to legislate on.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: When people vote -

NICK GRIFFIN: .. to make up their own choice.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: When people vote for you, do you think that they agree with you that Asian Muslims have a plan to conquer Britain?

NICK GRIFFIN: I think quite a lot of them, certainly in northern towns they do, because ehm, they've seen it with their own eyes, they've heard it from some of these people - We don't say it's all of them, we said it's a significant number, and it's something which needs very seriously addressing, before it ends in terrible trouble.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: Do you think that when people vote for you they want to see land and the economy restored to British ownership? And do, do you mean by that the nationalisation of land and the economy?

NICK GRIFFIN: No certainly not, but ehm, definitely if you talk to people in, former industrial areas, where the last remaining manifacturing eh, industries, eh, the good ones, have been bought up by foreigners and then closed down and shipped abroad, yeah people do want the British government to look after the British economy.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: I'm puzzled because you, you have, a lot of your appeal comes from, as you say, from poorer white areas in, in Britain, and your policy is to restore industry and ownership how to Britain? You seem to have a - One of your policies, as far as I could detect it from your website, is something called national self-sufficiency. Which is presumed to mean cutting cheap imports, of food and clothes, which is what the poor people depend on, more than any other sector in society!

NICK GRIFFIN: No, not primarily food and clothes. Eh, We're far more in-, interested in the high-tech industries, which is what a modern cou-, modern economy really needs to survive and prosper, and for a country to be properly independent . We're not saying that, we wouldn't have any foreign imports, obviously, but we do believe that we should have go[ne?] basically the Japanese or the Korean model, which has served those countries very well, whereby certain key industries are, protected, so that, eh, the home market is there for home producers as [??].

DAVID DIMBLEBY: You went into a lot of detail in your, ehm, manifesto for these elections; one of the things you said - I wonder whether the people voted for this? - is that you were, would replace all school catering and choice of food with one choice of meal for all pupils? What's that about?

NICK GRIFFIN: Uh, it's mainly about the appaling problems of anorexia and bulimia, eh, and the fact that uhm, canteen-style food means that there's no teachers overseeing what the kids eat, and young girl especially are dying as a result. And I've talked to lots of parents, who think it's a really important policy to bring back traditional, proper school meals where all youngsters sit down and eat with the teachers, so they can't starve themselves to death without anyone noticing.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: And one choice, does that mean that vegetarians have to put up with eating meat, and halal eaters have to eh, eat meat cooked in the non-halal method?

NICK GRIFFIN: Ve-, vegetarians, obviously should have a choice; halal meat eaters wouldn't get any halal meat in Britain because we'd ban it, because we believe it's utterly barbaric.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: And eh, just one last point; is it still your view that you'll only have people of, what you call European or British origin as members of your party?

NICK GRIFFIN: As members of our party, yes, if we didn't do that, our members could be, eh, thrown out of their jobs without recourse to eh, the race relations, legislation or protection, so we maintain that policy, yes.

DAVID DIMBLEBY: And you're not a racist party?

NICK GRIFFIN: But we're not a racist party.

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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 08:57 pm
That's a very slippery and slithery response, nimh... a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose analysis of the situation. You should consider a career in politics. As a Far Left diehard I think you would find your Perfect Heaven working as a politician or bureaucrat for either the UN or the EU.

I have proposed an indefinite moratorium on any further immigration of Third World cultures and Islam.

I have proposed that all private schooling based upon immigrant Third World ethnicities, cultures and religions be disbanded post-haste.

I have proposed that the policy of 'multiculturalism' be abandoned as promoting generational ghettoism, communalism and ethnic division within the homeland of the British people.

I have proposed that Britain once again reclaim her traditional 'English' identity, ethos and values - and begin a programme, starting in the schools - of divesting its Third World immigrant population of its misconception that they are in Britain as a colonial and generational representative of the religion and culture 'back home'.

No more government subsidies and grants for 'ethnic community' projects and interest groups.

An end to Britain's politicians playing host in their government chambers to legions of 'representatives' and lobbyists from Britain's 'ethnic communities'.

No more official recognition of 'ethnic community leaders' as being de facto political representatives of immigrant minorities.

No more pussy-footing around with 'negotiations' and 'discussions' with Britain's so-called 'leaders' and 'representatives' of the ethnic communities. As immigrants to the UK they have the obligation to assimilate as soon as possible with English tradition identity and cultural norms - and this does NOT include the promoting and fostering of pre-immigrant cultures as an alternate to that of the British mainstream.

etc etc for the next 500 pages...

... And 'the prince' - if this doesn't quite suit your colonialist ambitions for remaining an 'Indian in Britain' - then I am more than happy to personally fully-fund your repatriation costs back to your beloved homeland. Just send me the bill.

I will even include a bottle of sparkling champagne - gratis - as a gesture of goodwill as I wave you bon voyage! at Heathrow Airport for your belated journey home.
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 08:59 pm
Dear O dear... nimh on the back-foot again, feverishly looking about for something to throw at me... http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif
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herberts
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 09:21 pm
Nick Griffin and the BNP are only a very rudimentary and early proto-type of the sort of sophisticated and articulate rightwing party of the sort which will have broad appeal amongst not only the working classes but also with the educated middle classes of which I am a typical example.

nimh... I haven't checked the BNP's website for yonkers, and don't even have it bookmarked. A couple of years ago I spent about an hour trawling through their manifesto and read a few of their articles - and apart from a few ideas which are similar to mine, the impression I have of them is one of rank amateurism that is given to the occasional absurd rhetoric which guarantees to alienate the moral sensitivities of Britain's middle classes.

It was back then that I actually sent Griffin a blistering email in which I lambasted him for undermining those such as myself who want to see something far more inspirational and viable than the sort of street-corner posturing which one witnesses with the skinheads on Saturday nights after the pubs have closed.

But even so, he and his party are at present serving as litmus paper for discerning the public mood... and it's beginning to look as though the tide of public opinion may just now be turning against the liberals.

Come back in 15 to 20 years and you may see a far more cogent, and talented rightwing party enjoying broad sympathy and popular appeal amongst Britain's white, Christian Ango-Celtic public who will by then be thoroughly exasperated by the ubiquitous predominance of ethnic crime - and Islamic community agitations for special privileges and exonerations for being an alien and colonial entity that wishes to further isolate itself from the general kafir community.

Trust me - the BNP is a moribund curiosity - nothing more. It's a cottage industry which enjoys a certain boutique niche within the political landscape, but nothing more. It will remain so until a totally new administration is installed - headed by someone of Enoch Powell's stature, personal dynamic, and breadth of intellect.
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