Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

Meh, I have to go sleep now anyway, but I will be looking out for your reply, which you have successfully avoided giving for quite some time now.

Wolfy -

Oh, brother. I hate these free kicks. I don't like to win on own-goals... it spoils any sense of achievement. It's like eating trout from the shop instead of from the stream...

... "a racial term... ".

Being 'English' is a cultural term - with certain racial implications at this time in history.

After a 400-year history I perceive snood to be 100% American.

But I do not consider the johnny-come-latelies to the British Isles over the past 40-years to be anything other than hyphenated pretenders whose only motivation for being in England is for economic improvement under a benign political regime.

Incidentally, Wolf - there are no immigrant people more insular, and more racially-motivated to stick together in their ghettoes than are the Chinese.

Whether it is San Francisco, or London, or Sydney Australia - the Chinese community has an appalling record of being the least willing to integrate and assimilate into mainstream society.... generation after generation after generation.

.... and what really pisses me off big time are Third World immigrants to European societies who promptly alienate their babies from identifying with the local citizenry by naming them Mustafa[/i]... or Mohammed[/i]... or Ahmed[/i]... or Gunaratna[/i]... or Balachandra[/i]...

This is a bloody insult to the host people who have accepted these Third World peasants to be a part of their national community. This is a slap in the face to the national identity and traditional culture of the host people.

Acceptance for immigration implies the newcomer has the obligation to assimilate as 'English' as soon as is practicable - and this does not mean having your wife lie in an English maternity ward and name the UK-born baby 'Mustafa'... or 'Jiang'... or 'Gunga Din'...

This guy is nuts.

And what of the "president" of Iran?

"Nuts" is very charitable, for this critter.

Also nuts.

Why do you ask? (Fail to see the connection.)

And Russia:


Russian racism 'out of control'
Racist killings in Russia are "out of control", according to a report by international human rights watchdog Amnesty International.

The report into violent racism shows that at least 28 people were killed and 366 were assaulted in 2005.

This year there have already been a number of high profile cases, including the death of nine-year-old Tajik girl.

Amnesty condemns discrimination by the authorities and a failure to properly record or investigate racist crimes.

Russia's police and prosecutors need to tackle head-on the growing scourge of violent racism in Russia
Kate Allen
Amnesty International

The Amnesty report, entitled Russian Federation: Violent racism out of control, includes examples of police and prosecutors routinely classifying murders and serious assaults by skinhead extremists as lesser crimes of "hooliganism".

Amnesty International UK Director Kate Allen said racist killings and violent attacks against foreigners, visible ethnic minorities and anti-racist campaigners in Russia were out of control.

"Some Russian authorities are turning a blind eye," she said. "Instead of seeing only 'hooliganism' in vicious organised attacks on students from African, south-east Asian countries and non-Slavic Russians from Chechnya, Russia's police and prosecutors need to tackle head-on the growing scourge of violent racism in Russia."

She said President Vladimir Putin's government should adopt a comprehensive "plan of action" to combat racism and anti-Semitism.

Protests

Cases highlighted in the Amnesty report include the killing of nine-year-old Tajik girl Khursheda Sultonovawho.

She was attacked with other members of her family in St Petersburg in February 2004 by a gang. Khursheda was stabbed nine times in the chest, stomach and arms and died at the scene.

Another victim was Vu Anh Tuan, a 20-year-old Vietnamese student, stabbed to death in October 2004 by a gang of 18 skinheads near a metro station in St Petersburg.

Dmitrii Kraiukhin, head of anti-racist organisation United Europe, told Amnesty he had received threats to "cut off your head".

He has repeatedly been denied protection from the authorities in Orel, western Russia.

The report also heard from members of the Roma community who have stopped travelling into St Petersburg city centre, having been the victims of attacks.

Russian citizens and foreigners living in the big cities have led demonstrations against the attacks and the authorities' failure to tackle the problem.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4969296.stm

Published: 2006/05/03 23:53:16 GMT

snood...

It might be time for you to climb down off that high platform of moral indignation, snood... and take a closer look at the racism which exists within your own ethnic community.

From my own readings on the internet there is a huge groundswell of racist resentment amongst America's blacks toward the millions of Hispanics and illegals who have come swanning in from across the southern borders, and Cuba, to steal the jobs which once were the traditional employment of millions of Afro-Americans.

And I don't at all blame America's blacks for feeling mighty pissed off about this.

Those illegals who we have just witnessed marching in the streets across the US of A in a froth of outrage over not having yet been granted citizenship rights - are the very people who are most responsible for having robbed the American blacks of their jobs...

A sizeable portion of black crime across the US can be directly apportioned to the fact that many blacks of all ages have found themselves made redundant in the workplace by millions of Hispanics and illegals having migrated to occupy their jobs.

Am I nuts, snood... ?

cicerone - for God sake man stop posting up entries that are as long as a toilet roll! There's no way I'm going to drag myself through all that crap. Keep it simple, stupid.

(Some guys here are really nuts)

herberts ain't nuts, just plain racist...a racism born (as usual) of xenophobia I expect (although he/she may prefer the synonym, "patriotism")

So you finally decided to be a man

Nopes, I wasn't born in London. I came to London in '95 when I was transferred to UK by the company I used to work for on the specific request of the then *British* management. I orginally came on a 1 year assignment so clean up some of the mess which had been created over the years, but after my 1 year was completed, the *British* management of the company requested me to stay on. Everytime I made noises about leaving, the *British* management of the company increased my pay, gave me more responsibilities and made it clear that they did not want me to leave. After 10 yrs in that company (which was American), I was headhunted by a *British* company, under a *british* management where I now work.

I don't know what you mean by a ghetto-fodder, but unless you live in a castle (like Lord Ellpus), I don't think you can call a row of £500,000 houses in a nice conservation area (where I live - actually I own one of them, which I bought from a *british* family) - "ghettos"

As far as assimilation goes, not really sure what you mean? How do you define it? I have a huge circle of friends of all nationalities, I am pretty fluent in English language, I go to a pub, I live in a street full of white people...Does that make me assimiliated?

Eagerly awaiting yr next set of questions....

Reading some of the exchanges with herberts on this thread, I am reminded of this:

"It's of little use trying to wrestle with a pig. You only get covered in filth, and the pig probably enjoys it."

Morning, Herbie. You are quite mad, you know.

I could just about stomach Herberts views if he lived in Britain. But telling me how bloody awful this place is from Australia just sticks in my craw. Herberts is an agent for the British National Party who are a bunch of violent white supremacists. They are feeding off genuine concerns about Islamists and manipulating and directing that anger against all non white groups. Herberts might appear quite mad, but there is method there too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he lives in Australia because he no longer has residency rights in the UK.

Here's a video 'toon

Turn up your sound.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YhEl6HdfqWM

I recognise Chinese culture and Chinese persons. A chinese person generally has a more olive skin, thinner eyes, flatter nose and normally speaks chinese. He is not English.
An Englishman (like me) has pail white skin. English culture is hard to describe from outside of the culture, and thus it would be described by Englishmen as "How we think and live" or something to that effect.
Americans, Englishmen and Australians differ very little as they are all decendants of Englishmen, and have been separate people for a very short amount of time. The same does not go for Africans or Asians.

The idea of you trying to justify that you are English finds my amusement. If I go to China and say "im Chinese" ill get laughed at, and thus I laugh at you. I fancy if the lefties have England their way, the English culture will cease to exist and you will be right to make the above challenge with little chance of rebuttle - but not now.

And Yes Wolf, I am well versed with the principals of communism. I have been quoting it before that last post and it has remained unchallenged. Now that I have forgotton specifically why it was used, I have been picked up on it - thats the way it goes I guess.
Yes, it is quoted as a removal of the bourgeoisie, but its underlying concept is that of equallity amongst all people. The ideas people believe in here seemed to me to sound like the ideas of Marx, and thus I made my deduction.
Oh, and people aren't equal!

Hi Prince - welcome to the Mickey Mouse Club. The way the game is played here is that I express my views - and everyone in the audience hisses and boos and stamp their feet and throw rotten vegetables at me.

And they're running out of insulting terminology for me too.

North West English git...

Isn't that an ironic piece of role-reversal... ? Here am I being accused of being a nazi - and yet it's these pinko reprobates who want to infer that I am a 'schwein'. It would complete the picture for you if I was Jewish, wouldn't it McTag... ?

Yes, RaceDriver, one of the principal tenents of Communism is that everyone is equal. However, that is also one of the principal tenents of Capitalism (but with a slightly different slant).

With Capitalism, everyone is equal, so everybody can potentially achieve greatness. No one person is inelligible to climb the ladder. Everyone is allowed to do so, but at their own pace.

And yes, I was kind of flip-flopping between what I normally think of as being English (as a racial term) and what I thought that Herberts thought was English. Shouldn't have done it. Such an action is illogical and confusing to say the least, hence my asking what Herberts thinks it means to be English and what English culture means.

I wanted terms clarified so I could clear up the mess I accidentally got myself into.

And Herberts does have a point in regards to the more recent Chinese immigrants. Boy has London Chinatown gone down hill since they've come along.

May I also remind Herberts that historically Chinatowns were created due to great prejudice against against Chinese people by whites (at least, in America anyway)? It was only natural for them to congregate.

Over time, however, Chinese families have frayed away from the main hub. The newer generations have wandered away from the main isolated group to become more assimilated. This has happened time and time again.

I have cousins that are half-Chinese, half-Irish. I have a new cousin once removed that is half-Chinese, half-English. I doubt I'll find a Chinese girlfriend myself, so I'm guessing I may have to marry an English girl too... if it weren't for the fact that I'm gay, but hey, maybe that's just a phase.

Leave well alone. If the history of what happened to the African slaves of Napoleon times are anything to go by, the minorities will be assimilated by the mother culture of England creating a nice monoculture with virtually no discernible foreign input.