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Countdown to Rove Indictments...

 
 
paull
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:05 am
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that obviously does not end the matter



Hope spring eternal, eh?
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paull
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:08 am
The article on which this thread was based is still linked to on the Truthout site. Maybe those guys get up late.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:26 am
snood wrote:
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"There's something wrong when your entire life can be under this kind of threat for two full years, you spend lots and lots of money on lawyers, lots of time going to the grand jury and there's nothing there," Gingrich said."

Amen.


Hallelujah. did you feel the same way after the tens of millions that netted zero on trumped-up counts against the Clintons(travelgate, whitewater, etc., etc., etc.)?


I admit I was disappointed because I viewed the corruptions and crimes much, much more significant. Just to cite Whitewater as an example, all the investigations and court decisions did find the crimes did occur and several of the Clinton's business associates were convicted of those crimes as a result of the whole mess. It just happened that substantial proof of the Clintons roles in the crimes were not able to be made even though circumstantial evidence existed.

In this case, to repeat myself, the prosecutor has never even determined the original crime occurred has he? And the crime did not involve embezzlement and other similar serious crimes for personal gain, but simply a matter of a very questionable crime of who revealed what about a very questionable status of somebody being a covert agent in the CIA, and even if somebody did reveal it, whether they did it knowing the status was for sure covert. Seems a big stretch to manufacture much of a crime. This after 2 years.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:30 am
snood wrote:
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"There's something wrong when your entire life can be under this kind of threat for two full years, you spend lots and lots of money on lawyers, lots of time going to the grand jury and there's nothing there," Gingrich said."

Amen.


Hallelujah. did you feel the same way after the tens of millions that netted zero on trumped-up counts against the Clintons(travelgate, whitewater, etc., etc., etc.)?

I don't know much about the details of Whitewater, but I thought every single subsequent direction of the Starr investigation was simply manufactured by Clinton enemies. Frankly, it made me sick. To try to find dirt on a president, in the absence of any indication that he's done anything significantly wrong, is flirting with treason.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:32 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
snood wrote:
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"There's something wrong when your entire life can be under this kind of threat for two full years, you spend lots and lots of money on lawyers, lots of time going to the grand jury and there's nothing there," Gingrich said."

Amen.


Hallelujah. did you feel the same way after the tens of millions that netted zero on trumped-up counts against the Clintons(travelgate, whitewater, etc., etc., etc.)?

I don't know much about the details of Whitewater, but I thought every single subsequent direction of the Starr investigation was simply manufactured by Clinton enemies. Frankly, it made me sick. To try to find dirt on a president, in the absence of any indication that he's done anything significantly wrong, is flirting with treason.


Maybe you need to review the matter. Several Clinton associates were convicted and some went to prison as I recall. Not exactly manufactured.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:38 am
Did anyone really think someone so high in the bushco inner circle would actually be charged or convicted of a crime?

In addition, does it not occur to you that any legal actions brought against anyone this late in georges presidency can and will be tied up in court until he pardons them on the way out.

None of the satellite hemhoroids who orbit around georges ass have a thing to worry about at this point.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:39 am
okie wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
snood wrote:
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"There's something wrong when your entire life can be under this kind of threat for two full years, you spend lots and lots of money on lawyers, lots of time going to the grand jury and there's nothing there," Gingrich said."

Amen.


Hallelujah. did you feel the same way after the tens of millions that netted zero on trumped-up counts against the Clintons(travelgate, whitewater, etc., etc., etc.)?

I don't know much about the details of Whitewater, but I thought every single subsequent direction of the Starr investigation was simply manufactured by Clinton enemies. Frankly, it made me sick. To try to find dirt on a president, in the absence of any indication that he's done anything significantly wrong, is flirting with treason.


Maybe you need to review the matter. Several Clinton associates were convicted and some went to prison as I recall. Not exactly manufactured.

I meant post-Whitewater investigations against Clinton himself. If you think that he did something significantly wrong in the areas investigated, please tell me what it was.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 12:08 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
I meant post-Whitewater investigations against Clinton himself. If you think that he did something significantly wrong in the areas investigated, please tell me what it was.


I think that is re-plowing alot of old ground and not appropriate for this thread anyway. You just have to do a search on it, list all the scandals, read about each one, and then make up your mind. There would be plenty to keep you busy. Many of the scandals, it simply seemed to me the Republicans got tired of fighting the layers of lawyers to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt and decided to wait for the election to get rid of Clinton. I think the country suffered from what I would call "scandal fatigue." Things like campaign money flowing from China for "who knows what" were very disturbing, and far far worse than the Tom DeLay campaign fund business in my opinion. Just one scandal of many that were potentially very serious. But as I said, people tired of following up all the leads and let it go. I've drawn my conclusions and am just glad we're rid of the Clintons for now, except if New York wants Hillary, let them have her, but hopefully not on the national scene again.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 12:33 pm
That Karl Rove isn't being indicted is absolute proof that the Bush Administration is in total control of the entire apparatus of the U.S. government and legal system. Could there be any greater miscarriage of justice in the history of Western Civilization than that this miscreant should escape the noose he so richly deserves? Obviously, someone with money got to the investigators, or coerced them into dropping their investigation.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 12:38 pm
You may very well be onto something there Ash...... :wink:
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 12:39 pm
Asherman wrote:
That Karl Rove isn't being indicted is absolute proof that the Bush Administration is in total control of the entire apparatus of the U.S. government and legal system. Could there be any greater miscarriage of justice in the history of Western Civilization than that this miscreant should escape the noose he so richly deserves? Obviously, someone with money got to the investigators, or coerced them into dropping their investigation.


this sudden biting sarcasm in your posts is something new for you but you wear it well as one would expect.
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paull
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 12:39 pm
Wait, who said this?:


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But it is coming, bet the farm!



Having lost the farm, it will be easier to keep those UGG boots clean!
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Asherman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 12:52 pm
Well, recently there has been criticism that I'm too dour so I'm working on lightening up .......... just a tiny bit.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 01:11 pm
Asherman wrote:
Well, recently there has been criticism that I'm too dour so I'm working on lightening up .......... just a tiny bit.


I get it.... well good for you... :wink:
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 01:13 pm
and I don't think that the Rove thing necessarily means the bush apparatus is in control of everything... but I think that's their goal and wish.

I also think the fix is in anytime possible for anyone in his inner circle and in saying that I recognize that's not exclusive to this inner circle of scumbags.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 01:17 pm
Asherman wrote:
That Karl Rove isn't being indicted is absolute proof that the Bush Administration is in total control of the entire apparatus of the U.S. government and legal system. Could there be any greater miscarriage of justice in the history of Western Civilization than that this miscreant should escape the noose he so richly deserves? Obviously, someone with money got to the investigators, or coerced them into dropping their investigation.


You are obviously ignoring the past praises heaped on Fitzgerald by both parties, concerning his throrough, dogged, unbiased pursuit of justice.

I am not particularly impressed with what he has accomplished, but I rather think it has to do with the lack of much of a case than anything else. To even build a case, you need a crime to start with.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 01:22 pm
okie wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
I meant post-Whitewater investigations against Clinton himself. If you think that he did something significantly wrong in the areas investigated, please tell me what it was.


I think that is re-plowing alot of old ground and not appropriate for this thread anyway. You just have to do a search on it, list all the scandals, read about each one, and then make up your mind. There would be plenty to keep you busy. Many of the scandals, it simply seemed to me the Republicans got tired of fighting the layers of lawyers to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt and decided to wait for the election to get rid of Clinton. I think the country suffered from what I would call "scandal fatigue." Things like campaign money flowing from China for "who knows what" were very disturbing, and far far worse than the Tom DeLay campaign fund business in my opinion. Just one scandal of many that were potentially very serious. But as I said, people tired of following up all the leads and let it go. I've drawn my conclusions and am just glad we're rid of the Clintons for now, except if New York wants Hillary, let them have her, but hopefully not on the national scene again.

I'm sorry, but this sounds like the same kind of rumor mogering that they now do with President Bush. Willingness to consider someone guilty based on accusation alone is the hallmark. If enough dirt is thrown, some will always stick. The only thing that I know of that was ever proved against President Clinton was in connection with the perjury trap they set deliberately for him in connection with his affair, and I do not regard that as significant.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 01:23 pm
Shrug. I will believe that the investigation is over and done with, when Fitz releases info saying that it is over and done with. I'm not really too persuaded by Luskin's announcements.

Cycloptichorn
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Asherman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 01:23 pm
Did my sarcasm miss you Okie?

Perhaps, Fitzgerald received a late night visit by men in black who gave him the choice of dropping the indictment, or making a prolonged visit to the American Gulag to mine salt with his bare hands in the arctic snows. On the other hand, perhaps Fitzgerald is a CIA (US Political Secret Police Branch) who infiltrated the Forces of Righteousness for the sole purpose of frustrating justice, freedom and the American Way.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 01:31 pm
Asherman wrote:
Did my sarcasm miss you Okie?

Perhaps, Fitzgerald received a late night visit by men in black who gave him the choice of dropping the indictment, or making a prolonged visit to the American Gulag to mine salt with his bare hands in the arctic snows. On the other hand, perhaps Fitzgerald is a CIA (US Political Secret Police Branch) who infiltrated the Forces of Righteousness for the sole purpose of frustrating justice, freedom and the American Way.


I guess I did. I think you are agreeing with me but not super sure. I am not totally familiar with all of your stances on issues. You seem pretty reasonable inasmuch as I've read your opinions, but as you know, some contributors can be totally serious with some of the most outlandish comments that can also logically be interpreted as sarcasm or joking.
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