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snood wrote:

...never found the water-boarding reference...

Here is the source of my information:

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On September 6, 2006, the United States Department of Defense released a revised Army Field Manual entitled Human Intelligence Collector Operations that prohibits the use of waterboarding by U.S. military personnel.

Wikipedia

Brandon9000 wrote:
Joe Nation wrote:

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Brandon hasn't been following the issue very closely. If he listened to the President's speech regarding moving the fourteen detainees from the secret CIA prisons to Guantanamo last week he would understand what the administration's problem is. They've already violated the Geneva Conventions, by using the CIA to interrogate the prisoners using methods such as water boarding and other coercive, now they want the Congress to say that's okay....

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Then why does the new edition of The Army Field Manual ban water boarding? Provide a citation to show that the Bush administration is now seeking permission to make water boarding legal.

Journalists Brian Ross and Richard Esposito described the CIA's waterboarding technique as follows:

The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt. According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last over two minutes before begging to confess. "The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

In the United States, military personnel are taught this technique, ostensibly to demonstrate how to resist enemy interrogations in the event of capture. According to Salon.com, SERE instructors shared their torture techniques with interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp.

Dr. Allen Keller, the director of the Bellevue/N.Y.U. Program for Survivors of Torture, has treated "a number of people" who had been subjected to forms of near-asphyxiation, including waterboarding. An interview for The New Yorker states:

[Dr. Keller] argued that it was indeed torture. Some victims were still traumatized years later, he said. One patient couldn't take showers, and panicked when it rained. "The fear of being killed is a terrifying experience," he said.

On September 6, 2006, the United States Department of Defense released a revised Army Field Manual entitled Human Intelligence Collector Operations that prohibits the use of waterboarding by U.S. military personnel. The revised manual was adopted amid widespread criticism of U.S. handling of prisoners in the War on Terrorism, and prohibits other questionable practices in addition to waterboarding. The revised manual applies to U.S. military personnel, and as such does not apply to the practices of the CIA.

Clearly, Brandon likes to edit his citations.

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Journalists Brian Ross and Richard Esposito described the CIA's waterboarding technique as follows:

The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt. According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last over two minutes before begging to confess. "The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

In the United States, military personnel are taught this technique, ostensibly to demonstrate how to resist enemy interrogations in the event of capture. According to Salon.com, SERE instructors shared their torture techniques with interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp.

Dr. Allen Keller, the director of the Bellevue/N.Y.U. Program for Survivors of Torture, has treated "a number of people" who had been subjected to forms of near-asphyxiation, including waterboarding. An interview for The New Yorker states:

[Dr. Keller] argued that it was indeed torture. Some victims were still traumatized years later, he said. One patient couldn't take showers, and panicked when it rained. "The fear of being killed is a terrifying experience," he said.

On September 6, 2006, the United States Department of Defense released a revised Army Field Manual entitled Human Intelligence Collector Operations that prohibits the use of waterboarding by U.S. military personnel. The revised manual was adopted amid widespread criticism of U.S. handling of prisoners in the War on Terrorism, and prohibits other questionable practices in addition to waterboarding. The revised manual applies to U.S. military personnel, and as such does not apply to the practices of the CIA.

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Interesting snipper you've got there, Brandon.

Joe(Watch out, Snipper could be your new nickname)Nation

Joe Nation wrote:

Interesting snipper you've got there, Brandon.

Joe(Watch out, Snipper could be your new nickname)Nation

I stated that a new army manual prohibits waterboarding and gave the manual name. When snood said that he couldn't find the topic in the manual, I provided the sentence that gave the reference. Hardly a conspiracy.

blatham wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

blatham wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:

Brandon hasn't been following the issue very closely. If he listened to the President's speech regarding moving the fourteen detainees from the secret CIA prisons to Guantanamo last week he would understand what the administration's problem is. They've already violated the Geneva Conventions, by using the CIA to interrogate the prisoners using methods such as water boarding and other coercive, now they want the Congress to say that's okay....

Then why does the new edition of The Army Field Manual ban water boarding? Provide a citation to show that the Bush administration is now seeking permission to make water boarding legal.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-intel18sep18,0,3407082.story?coll=la-home-nation

How about you, brandon, putting your little dick on the line and clarifying for the rest of us the disparity between what was done, what the SC held could and could not be done, and what Bush now wants to be able to do.

Why should I? The fact that I ask someone to support an assertion he's made doesn't obligate me to do anything more.

Perhaps to demonstrate that you are capable of thought?

Yes, and I'm sure you'll be happy to run off on every wild goose chase that I set for you. Your demonstratuon that I'm not taking orders from you doesn't constitute a successful rebuttal of anything that I've herein asserted.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:

Interesting snipper you've got there, Brandon.

Joe(Watch out, Snipper could be your new nickname)Nation

I stated that a new army manual prohibits waterboarding and gave the manual name. When snood said that he couldn't find the topic in the manual, I provided the sentence that gave the reference. Hardly a conspiracy.

And snipped the exact wording that supported my point and answered your question....yes,,,, perfectly understandable.

Joe(sure)Nation.

Ideals and Realities Clash In Bush 'Freedom Agenda'

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 21, 2006; A20

At the United Nations lectern this week, President Bush hailed the spread of democracy. "From Beirut to Baghdad," he said, "people are making the choice for freedom." Yet even as he spoke, tanks were rolling through the streets of Bangkok as a military coup toppled the elected leader of Thailand, who at that moment was in New York for the U.N. session.

Bush made no mention of the dramatic events on Tuesday and left New York yesterday without ever seeing the deposed prime minister, much less offering any public support for a onetime strong ally of the United States. The president's spokesman later provided a strikingly mild response only after being asked by a reporter, pronouncing the White House "disappointed" by the coup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/20/AR2006092001696_pf.html

What probably makes you sick, Brandon, is being called on the very thing you excoriate others for.
Again, your inability to hold yourself to the same standard you expect others to maintain is overwhelming.

Just another fine example that blows apart that old canard that the USA is in any way interested in furthering democracy. The USA is only interested in furthering the USA and their long history of supporting tyrants proves it.

[QUOTE-"okie"]Many wolves dress up in sheeps clothing