The Worst President in History?

Seems, you get taught history differently at university as it is done in Europe, okie.

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Okie- You will note that Mr., Hinteler said that "you get taught History differently at university as it is done in Europe, Okie"

First of all, Mr. Hinteler does not explain what that difference is

Secondly, we don't know if that difference is a postive or negative difference.

Thirdly( and Mr. Hinteler knows this) the Universities in the USA are by far superior to European Universities.

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Yes.

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I am not sure I go along with the idea that American colleges are superior to European colleges.

Outside of the lkiguistic difference where "college" means "high school" in Europe and "post secondary school" in the American version of the language.

If anyone has any reason to think that a graduate of an American post-secondary school is superior to a graduate of a European post-secondary school, please let them present it here.

Otherwise, I will be forced to presume that the two systems are roughly equal.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Seems, you get taught history differently at university as it is done in Europe, okie.

Okay Walter, I bite. What is the difference in your opinion?

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I suspect okie's "American universities are better" claim was just a jab, assuming that other folks are as nutty re nationalist sentiments as he is himself. He clearly has no personal experience to speak from regarding universities elsewhere and, I'd wager, universities in the US too.

But the wonderful irony of his claim regarding the superiority of American university education falls upon prior opinions regarding the state of American universities, given all the commies teaching/studying.

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blatham, Their inconsistencies are so obvious, they continue to look like fools. First they claim we must wait until Bush completes his term before he is evaluated as a president, then follows by saying historians are liberal leaning so he won't get a fair evaluation. They want it their way in all aspects whether it is logical or not.

Their claim that historians are liberal, and their evaluation of Bush now rated as a "failure" only agrees with the American populace as a whole; dismal failure at 35 percent approval rating - which means over 55 percent rates this president as a failure. I guess 55 percent of Americans are all liberals.

All one needs to do is type "bush failures" in Google, and find over 40 million hits. Out of these links, there are surely something that might sink into their brains of these conservatives that Bush IS a failure.

It's amazing how these Bush apologists can't see the termoil created by Bush not only in the US but worldwide.

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blatham wrote:

I suspect okie's "American universities are better" claim was just a jab, assuming that other folks are as nutty re nationalist sentiments as he is himself. He clearly has no personal experience to speak from regarding universities elsewhere and, I'd wager, universities in the US too.

But the wonderful irony of his claim regarding the superiority of American university education falls upon prior opinions regarding the state of American universities, given all the commies teaching/studying.

Where and when did I claim that?

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There's another aspect of these conservatives that can't see why Bush doesn't come close to being a conservative. 1. Government spending has increased. 2. The national debt is the biggest in the history of the US. 3. Bush is responsible for more instrusions into our lives than any president during my lifetime. 4. Bush initiated a social program called the "drug" benefits plan for seniors.

President Bush is not a conservativeNeither is the Congress that supports his intrusive, high-spending big government
By: Anne Looser
Issue date: 4/6/05 Section: Opinion
What the hell is our "conservative" Congress and president doing?

For as long as I can remember in the United States, conservative meant less government, not more. Recent actions lead me to believe our conservative government is not really conservative.

The No Child Left Behind Act is an excellent example of President Bush's big government.

Education is a state's rights issue. It's always been assumed local and state governments know best their community's needs.

Even Utah's conservative Legislature has debated opting out of it for the past two years.

This administration created the largest federal debt-ever. Conservatives label liberals as "tax and spenders." Yet this administration recklessly racks up debt. At least liberals make sure they have money before they spend.

Is the current government really conservative? Its actions not only go against conservative values of small government, but also are irresponsible.

Recently, for Terri Schiavo, the president, Congress and Gov. Jed Bush, R-Florida, created laws that applied to only one person.

If this isn't big government, I don't know what is.

Conservatives talk about personal liberties and not wanting government intruding in their personal lives. I fear that conservative ideology has been converted into a power-gaining tactic.

I enjoy good philosophical debates between competing ideologies, but with the current government I worry that true democratic discussions aren't happening between policy makers.

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There are more of these opinons in Google, and I agree with most of them.

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okie wrote:

Okay Walter, I bite. What is the difference in your opinion?

Since "the Universities in the USA are by far superior to European Universities".

Besides, I'm really only speaking about my own experiences I made when studying history at German and British universities.

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So, we judge presidents while they are in office now? Not after some time has passed and we see the effects of their term on the next presidency and the years after?

What's the point of that?

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McGentrix wrote:

What's the point of that?

Maybe, only to get new history chairs.

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Finn, It doesn't matter what "clinton pervert" brings up on Google. FYI, Clinton is no longer president. It also doesn't matter what "Finn pervert" brings up on Google; Clinton and Finn is just another citizen like everybody else.

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okie wrote:

blatham wrote:
I suspect okie's "American universities are better" claim was just a jab, assuming that other folks are as nutty re nationalist sentiments as he is himself. He clearly has no personal experience to speak from regarding universities elsewhere and, I'd wager, universities in the US too.

But the wonderful irony of his claim regarding the superiority of American university education falls upon prior opinions regarding the state of American universities, given all the commies teaching/studying.

Where and when did I claim that?

Run a google search on this site using terms "okie" and "universities"... this is the first hit...

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okie wrote:
I would say that most universities are started solely to support the administrators and professors, both their salaries and cushy retirements. Once tenured, it is nigh impossible to get rid of an incompetent professor, proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that the professors are more important to the university than the service provided to the students who pay for and expect a decent education.

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The Bush supporters must live in another world to keep defending this incompetent, scurrilous, madman. More Americans and historians have realized the truth about Bush, but Bush apologists continue their inexplicable defense of a loser.

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THE ISSUE: President Bush's second-term performance and his all-time-low approval ratings.

President Bush has let the nation down, not by malice, as many claim, but by his failure to lead and pay attention to details when such attention was needed ("White House Free-Fall," Editorial, June 5).

He should have gone to New Orleans while the storm was raging, and he should be reviewing what is going on in Iraq daily.

He needs to lead the effort to understand what this war is all about.

But Bush is not alone. The cravenness of Republicans in Congress, abandoning the president on Social Security reform and their failure to hammer out a policy on illegal immigrants, hasn't helped present the party as functioning.

Sigmund Silber
Stamford, Conn.

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As a longtime Bush supporter, I can only say that I am deeply disappointed by his second term.

A second-term president is a lame-duck president.

The great ones never worried about their poll numbers or place in history; they earned that place by leading.

Bush was elected as our leader. It's about time that he started behaving like one.

Leon Heller
Cliffside Park, N.J.

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Bush's ratings are low because of his inability to communicate with the American people.

If he were like President Ronald Reagan or Prime Minister Tony Blair, the situation would be greatly different.

I do believe he is doing a great job with the ecomony.

Bush's principal problem is that, from the beginning, the mainstream media have put a negative spin on everything, especially the news coming out of Iraq.

Mary FerraroMethuen, Mass.

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Bush has made some poor decisions, and he has failed to forcefully defend his correct actions.

But the fact remains that if FDR had been subject to a never-ending assault by the media, and eternal conflict with the opposition party, everyone west of the continental divide would be speaking Japanese.

The Democrats, along with their co-conspirators in the media, have successfully demagogued every issue from a natural disaster to an alleged massacre, and this treachery has been committed at the expense of America's best interests.

Perhaps Bush should resign. He has lost the ability to govern, and Vice President Cheney is a better speaker.

Robert Reeg
Stony Point

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How popular a President is has absolutely nothing to do with whether they are "good", "bad" or "indifferent". President Bush hasn't done well in the popularity polls, but he won the only poll that mattered ... twice. There have been more popular Presidents and there have been Presidents who were less popular. Thank goodness the country is not ruled by popular opinion.

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Asherman wrote:

How popular a President is has absolutely nothing to do with whether they are "good", "bad" or "indifferent". President Bush hasn't done well in the popularity polls, but he won the only poll that mattered ... twice. There have been more popular Presidents and there have been Presidents who were less popular. Thank goodness the country is not ruled by popular opinion.

Sure. Popularity tells us about popularity. Though how an election result falls outside of that same circularity escapes me.

But a survey of American historians, like a survey of military historians or doctors or specialists in any field, carries far more weight than a poll of non-specialists.

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blatham wrote:

okie wrote:
blatham wrote:
I suspect okie's "American universities are better" claim was just a jab, assuming that other folks are as nutty re nationalist sentiments as he is himself. He clearly has no personal experience to speak from regarding universities elsewhere and, I'd wager, universities in the US too.

But the wonderful irony of his claim regarding the superiority of American university education falls upon prior opinions regarding the state of American universities, given all the commies teaching/studying.

Where and when did I claim that?

Run a google search on this site using terms "okie" and "universities"... this is the first hit...

Quote:
okie wrote:
I would say that most universities are started solely to support the administrators and professors, both their salaries and cushy retirements. Once tenured, it is nigh impossible to get rid of an incompetent professor, proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that the professors are more important to the university than the service provided to the students who pay for and expect a decent education.

blatham, get serious. Your search turned up a post of mine that was attempting to demonstrate the nonsensical opinions posted by plainoldme with more nonsense. It was sarcasm. I mirrored her statement about corporations and substituted universities in an attempt to get her to see the foolishness of her opinions. Go back and read the thread before you start misrepresenting my opinions here.

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What is going on here with the obsession with polls? You people are only revealing yourselves to be intellectually shallower than most of us thought.

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