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Oil, will it be the last straw for America?

 
 
Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 02:24 pm
Nifty!
I thought kerosene was jet fuel?
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Commercial jet fuel, known as Jet-A, is pure kerosene and has a flashpoint of 120 degrees Fahrenheit (49 degrees Celsius). It is a high-quality fuel, however, and if it fails the purity and other quality tests for use on jet aircraft, it is sold to other ground-based users with less demanding requirements, like railroad engines. Commercial jet fuel as well as military jet fuel often includes anti-freeze to prevent ice buildup inside the fuel tanks.
I'm an electrician so I have spent time in cracking plants.
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 02:35 pm
I'm not at all embarassed to admit I didn't know that, Cyclo.
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Montana
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 04:15 pm
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn on other threads on this forum claims he or she owns no car, but rides a bicycle. I agree this is not a good option for most people, but think of the savings: no gas, no insurance, no license fees, no repairs, no oil changes. I still think if you do not get into a rush, but keep your eye open for an older car that is well maintained, perhaps from a private owner, that has lower value, but one that is very economical on gas, you might end up better off. That is if you could sell your car and end up with a more economical car without losing any money in the process. The savings in gas could fund any minor repairs for a while. Of course, you would not want any car that will need major repairs in the way of motor or transmission.

Buying a new car is not a good idea in my opinion, or even a car up to 3 or 4 years old, unless you have the money to waste. Most people just look at the payment they can afford, but after the salesman completes his sales job, then here come the higher license and tax fees, higher insurance, you name it. The minute you drive a new car off the lot, you are then upside down on what you owe vs. what the car is worth.

P.S. How about telephones? Do you have both cell and land line? If so, get rid of the land line.


Please give me credit for knowing how to cut costs. I have a large garden where I can and freeze my harvest, I pick enough wild blueberries in the summer to last me a year and I go to the U-pick fruit places to get my fruit when they are in season and since I'm picking them myself, I get them at a fraction of the price you pay in stores.
I only drive my car when I need to go to work, shopping (rare) and appointments (rare), so my car sits in my driveway or work parking lot most of the time.
I don't go to clubs and very rarely go to a restaurant, plus I buy groceries according to the sales and even cut coupons.
I completely disagree with you on buying used cars, as i've had enough experience in buying them to know what they're all about.
I put a lot of money into my car and at least I know I can depend on it and not be stuck without a car or a car that's breaking down.
For 2,000 I'm not gonna get anything but someone elses problems and with the high cost of Toyota parts and repair, I can't take that chance.
To me, that would be like diving head first into a shallow pool.
I'd love to not have to rely on a car because they're nothing but mortages that are never paid and I don't use my car enough for what it costs me or is worth to me, but I need it.
I work 14 hours a days, 6 days a week beginning May 1st and peddling a bike to work that is a half hour drive away just isn't on my list of things to do.
I need my land line because my high speed runs through it and I need my cell phone in case I break down on my way from work on one of those long dark woodsy stretches of road that takes me there.

Hey, this sure has me thinking though! The heat pump we have for the house truly sucks and we (my mother and I both own our home) have been talking about getting a new heating system and I'm thinking we could have a combination wood/oil furnace put in and we could use wood when the prices skyrocket, hmmmm....

Gotta go start a heating system thread.

I've also looked into the hybrid cars, but they have these issues about them that bug me a bit and I don't like being bugged Laughing

Anyway, I need a reliable car because I live in the country and I don't have a horse. I'd love to have a horse, but I don't think they would let me park her at work Laughing
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 04:43 pm
I might have the answer for you Montana.

Go for either the Toyota Yaris.
City: 6.9 L/100 km (41 mpg Imp.)
Highway: 5.5 L/100 km (51 mpg Imp.)
http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/06yaris.htm

or the New (to North America and more sporty) Honda Fit
City: 7.3 L/100 km (39 mpg Imp.)
Hwy: 5.8 L/100 km (49 mpg Imp.)
http://www.canadiandriver.com/index3.htm

Both would be a lot cheaper to buy and own than a Toyota Camry, and both would still blow many other cars for reliability and quality.

And look, I have already included the Km's and Imp. gallon measurements! Amazing mileage for both beasts don't you think?
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Montana
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 04:45 pm
You're so sweet, Chumly. <smooch>
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 04:49 pm
XXOO
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Montana
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 05:10 pm
But they're ugly, chumly :-(
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 05:35 pm
Ugly can become cute!
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Montana
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 08:29 am
I don't know, Chumly. I really like the camry and the reviews on it are awesome.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 10:49 pm
I had only one new car but all the others have been used cars. I am technically oriented so it helps avoiding bad car choices. In your case the best thing to do is to befriend a good car mechanic shop from your experience or referred to you by friends or relatives and do all your car repairs with him. Get a knowledgable person to go car shopping with you to avoid a bad car. Most of your bad car experience could be the car repair shop may be ripping you off. While they repair one part of your car they may be sabotaging your car another area to get more future business. Avoid shops that give you a list of all the suggested parts need to be replaced according to the manufacturers guidance.

Buy a book on how a car works so you can identify the parts. Change your engine oil at least every six months. Check your battery level and cleanliness of the air filter. Keep a rag handy so you can avoid getting your hand all greasy.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 10:59 pm
Montana wrote:
I don't know, Chumly. I really like the camry and the reviews on it are awesome.
I agree, if I was in the market for a 4 door passenger car that's what I would buy. The others I mentioned are good but not in the same class.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:12 pm
I've only read the first page of this thread, but it's a good topic for today's world - especially for Americans who consume the greatest amount of fossil fuel. Americans have been spoiled for too long with cheap gas prices; even at $3/gallon, we're still behind 90 percent of the world consumers of gasoline. Our government is at fault for not enforcing the development of public transportation and ignoring the limited supply of oil with even greater demand for it around the world.

The increase in fuel prices will be passed along to the consumer, and inflation will be the punishment. With more economic competition from China and India, the increased cost of fuel will make us less competitive in the world markets.

I saw a report in this morning's newspaper that it will cost some vehicles over $100 to fill their tank with gasoline. The lowest was somewhere in the low thirty dollar range. Not many families can afford to pay those fuel prices, and they will be cutting back on other purchases that will impact our economy.

The future looks bleak; inflation and the economic engine of this country decreasing for the foreseeable future. Hang onto your money.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:41 pm
Montana wrote:

I've also looked into the hybrid cars, but they have these issues about them that bug me a bit and I don't like being bugged Laughing

Anyway, I need a reliable car because I live in the country and I don't have a horse. I'd love to have a horse, but I don't think they would let me park her at work Laughing


You can buy alot of gasoline, even at $3.00 per gallon for what you lose on a new car the minute you drive it off the lot. I've not purchased a new car since 1978. Since that time, I've purchased I think 4 used cars with 20,000 to 80,000 miles, then drive them until they have about 160,000 on them. I've had little trouble except for buying batteries, tires, and an occasional water pump, alternator, or power pack, or something like that. No engine or transmission trouble. I've paid around 5 to 8 grand for these cars, the last being 10 grand but it had only 19,000 miles on it. With trade in, I've done the deals for maybe 3 to 8 grand difference. They've all been family size American made cars, mostly front wheel drive, and mileage on the highway has ranged from 27 to 35 on average. One last note, I,ve never changed oil on my cars often, but maybe every 10,000 to 20,000 miles, with no problem. Changing oil every 3,000 miles is a waste of money. Buy gasoline with the money instead. Of course, this advice is worth what you pay for it, but seriously that has been my experience.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:41 pm
Montana wrote:

I've also looked into the hybrid cars, but they have these issues about them that bug me a bit and I don't like being bugged Laughing

Anyway, I need a reliable car because I live in the country and I don't have a horse. I'd love to have a horse, but I don't think they would let me park her at work Laughing


You can buy alot of gasoline, even at $3.00 per gallon for what you lose on a new car the minute you drive it off the lot. I've not purchased a new car since 1978. Since that time, I've purchased I think 4 used cars with 20,000 to 80,000 miles, then drive them until they have about 160,000 on them. I've had little trouble except for buying batteries, tires, and an occasional water pump, alternator, or power pack, or something like that. No engine or transmission trouble. I've paid around 5 to 8 grand for these cars, the last being 10 grand but it had only 19,000 miles on it. With trade in, I've done the deals for maybe 3 to 8 grand difference. They've all been family size American made cars, mostly front wheel drive, and mileage on the highway has ranged from 27 to 35 on average. One last note, I,ve never changed oil on my cars often, but maybe every 10,000 to 20,000 miles, with no problem. Changing oil every 3,000 miles is a waste of money. Buy gasoline with the money instead. Of course, this advice is worth what you pay for it, but seriously that has been my experience.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:44 pm
Montana quote:
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I've also looked into the hybrid cars, but they have these issues about them that bug me a bit and I don't like being bugged Laughing

Anyway, I need a reliable car because I live in the country and I don't have a horse. I'd love to have a horse, but I don't think they would let me park her at work Laughing


You can buy alot of gasoline, even at $3.00 per gallon for what you lose on a new car the minute you drive it off the lot. I've not purchased a new car since 1978. Since that time, I've purchased I think 4 used cars with 20,000 to 80,000 miles, then drive them until they have about 160,000 on them. I've had little trouble except for buying batteries, tires, and an occasional water pump, alternator, or power pack, or something like that. No engine or transmission trouble. I've paid around 5 to 8 grand for these cars, the last being 10 grand but it had only 19,000 miles on it. With trade in, actually I sell my existing car privately usually, I've done the deals for maybe 3 to 8 grand difference. They've all been family size American made cars, mostly front wheel drive, and mileage on the highway has ranged from 27 to 35 on average. One last note, I,ve never changed oil on my cars often, but maybe every 10,000 to 20,000 miles, with no problem. Changing oil every 3,000 miles is a waste of money. Buy gasoline with the money instead. Of course, this advice is worth what you pay for it, but seriously that has been my experience.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:44 pm
Montana quote:
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I've also looked into the hybrid cars, but they have these issues about them that bug me a bit and I don't like being bugged Laughing

Anyway, I need a reliable car because I live in the country and I don't have a horse. I'd love to have a horse, but I don't think they would let me park her at work Laughing


You can buy alot of gasoline, even at $3.00 per gallon for what you lose on a new car the minute you drive it off the lot. I've not purchased a new car since 1978. Since that time, I've purchased I think 4 used cars with 20,000 to 80,000 miles, then drive them until they have about 160,000 on them. I've had little trouble except for buying batteries, tires, and an occasional water pump, alternator, or power pack, or something like that. No engine or transmission trouble. I've paid around 5 to 8 grand for these cars, the last being 10 grand but it had only 19,000 miles on it. With trade in, actually I sell my existing car privately usually, I've done the deals for maybe 3 to 8 grand difference. They've all been family size American made cars, mostly front wheel drive, and mileage on the highway has ranged from 27 to 35 on average. One last note, I,ve never changed oil on my cars often, but maybe every 10,000 to 20,000 miles, with no problem. Changing oil every 3,000 miles is a waste of money. Buy gasoline with the money instead. Of course, this advice is worth what you pay for it, but seriously that has been my experience.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:45 pm
Montana quote:
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I've also looked into the hybrid cars, but they have these issues about them that bug me a bit and I don't like being bugged Laughing

Anyway, I need a reliable car because I live in the country and I don't have a horse. I'd love to have a horse, but I don't think they would let me park her at work Laughing


You can buy alot of gasoline, even at $3.00 per gallon for what you lose on a new car the minute you drive it off the lot. I've not purchased a new car since 1978. Since that time, I've purchased I think 4 used cars with 20,000 to 80,000 miles, then drive them until they have about 160,000 on them. I've had little trouble except for buying batteries, tires, and an occasional water pump, alternator, or power pack, or something like that. No engine or transmission trouble. I've paid around 5 to 8 grand for these cars, the last being 10 grand but it had only 19,000 miles on it. With trade in, actually I sell my existing car privately usually, I've done the deals for maybe 3 to 8 grand difference. They've all been family size American made cars, mostly front wheel drive, and mileage on the highway has ranged from 27 to 35 on average. One last note, I,ve never changed oil on my cars often, but maybe every 10,000 to 20,000 miles, with no problem. Changing oil every 3,000 miles is a waste of money. Buy gasoline with the money instead. Of course, this advice is worth what you pay for it, but seriously that has been my experience.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:47 pm
Montana quote:
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I've also looked into the hybrid cars, but they have these issues about them that bug me a bit and I don't like being bugged Laughing

Anyway, I need a reliable car because I live in the country and I don't have a horse. I'd love to have a horse, but I don't think they would let me park her at work Laughing


You can buy alot of gasoline, even at $3.00 per gallon for what you lose on a new car the minute you drive it off the lot. I've not purchased a new car since 1978. Since that time, I've purchased I think 4 used cars with 20,000 to 80,000 miles, then drive them until they have about 160,000 on them. I've had little trouble except for buying batteries, tires, and an occasional water pump, alternator, or power pack, or something like that. No engine or transmission trouble. I've paid around 5 to 8 grand for these cars, the last being 10 grand but it had only 19,000 miles on it. With trade in, actually I sell my existing car privately usually, I've done the deals for maybe 3 to 8 grand difference. They've all been family size American made cars, mostly front wheel drive, and mileage on the highway has ranged from 27 to 35 on average. One last note, I,ve never changed oil on my cars often, but maybe every 10,000 to 20,000 miles, with no problem. Changing oil every 3,000 miles is a waste of money. Buy gasoline with the money instead. Of course, this advice is worth what you pay for it, but seriously that has been my experience.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 11:48 pm
Montana quote:
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I've also looked into the hybrid cars, but they have these issues about them that bug me a bit and I don't like being bugged Laughing

Anyway, I need a reliable car because I live in the country and I don't have a horse. I'd love to have a horse, but I don't think they would let me park her at work Laughing


You can buy alot of gasoline, even at $3.00 per gallon for what you lose on a new car the minute you drive it off the lot. I've not purchased a new car since 1978. Since that time, I've purchased I think 4 used cars with 20,000 to 80,000 miles, then drive them until they have about 160,000 on them. I've had little trouble except for buying batteries, tires, and an occasional water pump, alternator, or power pack, or something like that. No engine or transmission trouble. I've paid around 5 to 8 grand for these cars, the last being 10 grand but it had only 19,000 miles on it. With trade in, actually I sell my existing car privately usually, I've done the deals for maybe 3 to 8 grand difference. They've all been family size American made cars, mostly front wheel drive, and mileage on the highway has ranged from 27 to 35 on average. One last note, I,ve never changed oil on my cars often, but maybe every 10,000 to 20,000 miles, with no problem. Changing oil every 3,000 miles is a waste of money. Buy gasoline with the money instead. Of course, this advice is worth what you pay for it, but seriously that has been my experience.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 12:09 am
Sorry about the multiple posts, but something is haywire with the site, as it showed as having failed, but evidently had not failed with the repeated clicks.
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