50,000 Errors in the Bible...Is Bible God's Word??

@neologist,

neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
That doesn't answer the question. Having free will as given by God necessarily precludes obligations, i.e. requirements/ constraints, otherwise it wouldn't be free will.
We have the free will to honor or not honor our obligation. Obligation is not compulsion.

You're right, obligation is not compulsion, and I didn't say it was.

Now that that red herring is out of the way, obligation is requirement/constraint, however. How is it that we're under reqirements and constraints if we have free will?

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@neologist,

So, where do I find this in the Bible, or even JW literature? It seems to be your religion's, or at the very least your, equivalent of trinitarianism.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

. . . obligation is requirement/constraint, however. How is it that we're under reqirements and constraints if we have free will?

We may avoid requirements. Constraints seem rather like compulsion

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

So, where do I find this in the Bible, or even JW literature? It seems to be your religion's, or at the very least your, equivalent of trinitarianism

The word trinity does not appear in the bible there is a fairly thorough discussion of the topic here

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@neologist,

I'm referring to your theology of God's selective omniscience. It doesn't appear in the Bible either.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

I'm referring to your theology of God's selective omniscience. It doesn't appear in the Bible either.

Nor does the word 'omniscient', a troublesome word which, to many, implies necessity. That he is all knowing is not in question.

Quote:

For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, nor anything carefully concealed that will never become known and not come out in the open.(Luke 8:17)

But if it were necessary for him to know all things in advance, he could not give us choice.

Quote:

I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against YOU today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring . . . (Deuteronomy 30:19)

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Nor does the word 'omniscient', a troublesome word which, to many, implies necessity.

You think constantly repeating "omniscient does not imply necessity" answers the question. It doesn't, it only creates a new problem. This new problem is what we have been trying to point out to you but you don't seem to get it or you are willfully ignoring it. Repeating it over and over doesn't address it.

There is a problem with selective omniscience. It is not possible. How can you be selective with knowledge? How can you decide what you want to know and not know if you are suppose to be omniscient from the beginning?

neologist wrote:

That he is all knowing is not in question.

Yes it is in question. Because the theology of christianity does not support the idea that god is omniscient. NONE of the stories portray a god that is omniscient. We have pointed this out many times but you just keep going back to him being able to be selective about what he knows. So which is it? He can't be both omniscient and not omniscient at the same time.

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@Krumple,

I'm comfortable with not using the word omniscient.

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@neologist,

Your religion uses it.

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@InfraBlue,

True.
And I understand why and how.
Some, however, are far too intelligent to understand.
(Matthew 11:26)
Not much I can do about that.

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I think the difference here lies somewhere between God knowing everything, and God having the knowledge of all things at his fingertips. This is assuming he has fingers.

Keep in mind that the bible speaks of angels as reporting to God, You can imagine the scene as another angel returns with some exciting news

Angel - "God, I have spent the last 3 months gathering the information you asked for and have some great and exciting news to sh..."
God interrupts lethargically... "I know"
Angel - *Sadfaces*

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@Smileyrius,

Smileyrius wrote:

I think the difference here lies somewhere between God knowing everything, and God having the knowledge of all things at his fingertips. This is assuming he has fingers.

Not salad fingers.

http://orig04.deviantart.net/bf61/f/2012/129/2/8/salad_fingers_whut__by_tuv_the_ca_nip-d4z14d3.jpg

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@neologist,

So, your answer is an ad hominem.

Thanks anyway.

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@InfraBlue,

Sorry about that.
But I am at a complete loss for how to further explain how God would be under no compulsion to use his power.

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@neologist,

Yes, you've explained that God is under no compulsion to use his power.

What you haven't explained is the conundrum that your explanation presents.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Yes, you've explained that God is under no compulsion to use his power.

What you haven't explained is the conundrum that your explanation presents.

I do not comprehend why this is a conundrum

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@neologist,

I, in turn, am at a loss to explain it to you.

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@InfraBlue,

It is irrational to conclude that an all powerful God would find anything for which his power would be insufficient. It's his ball. He sets the rules of the game.

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@neologist,

Not that I particularly care - but for the sake of mental exercise:

- we supposedly remember everything we've ever experienced...but all of our memories are not with us all of the time...we recall our memories as needed:

- recalling our memories as needed is recalling knowledge as needed. Memory is past knowledge

- Omniscience includes past knowledge, present knowledge, and perhaps future knowledge

- we've already established that past knowledge does not need your current awareness for you to actually know that thing.

- I see no reason why omniscience's present & future tenses can't work this way...knowing, but not having that knowledge at your fingertips until you turn your focus to it.

Though why that would actually matter, I don't know.

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@vikorr,

That's a pretty durned good explanation.
Certainly, there is nothing that would be impossible for God.

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