Russ Feingold Proposes Censure of Bush on Illegal Spying

You have heard, no doubt, about the differences between the Arabic portions of those documents, and the supposedly 'transalated' portions, Timber?

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the focus on "discovering" Sadam's WMD stockpile obscured the actual necessities of the situation.

If they hadn't played up the WMD threat, we never would have gone to war. And you know it.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

You have heard, no doubt, about the differences between the Arabic portions of those documents, and the supposedly 'transalated' portions, Timber?

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the focus on "discovering" Sadam's WMD stockpile obscured the actual necessities of the situation.

If they hadn't played up the WMD threat, we never would have gone to war. And you know it.

Cycloptichorn

Yes Cyclo, it depends on what the definition or translation of "is" , is.

WMD stockpiles had been "played up" all during the Clinton administration, UN Inspection Reports were not conclusive and GW played it up and the world agreed. He was a threat AT THAT TIME based upon the information KNOWN AT THAT TIME.

When GW stopped looking, our military should have left the area.

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Cyc, its to be expected the translations will be challenged by some. Pretty much the same thing happened a few years ago with the documents Al Madi presented, which appeared to indicate the UN Oil For Food program was riddled with corruption all the way to the top. Turned out there was a lot more there than many had supposed, or hoped, would prove to be true.

I expect the Captured Document Dump is gonna pose major inconvenience to many arguments posed against the decision to intervene militarily. I really do anticipate the coming months will provide far less occasion for Republican dismay than the Dems and the rest of the planet's Bushophobes would hope.

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Hah, it's too funny!

You righties are getting completely scammed on these documents which have been dumped. The 'translations' that you've been reading aren't translations at all - they are documents written by the FAS in 1997.

Cycloptichorn

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Meanwhile Democrat pols are still running from Feingold's resolution which is slowly dieing in the Senate.

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timberlandko wrote:

Pretty much the same thing happened a few years ago with the documents Al Madi presented, which appeared to indicate the UN Oil For Food program was riddled with corruption all the way to the top. Turned out there was a lot more there than many had supposed, or hoped, would prove to be true.

Timber, are you talking about the REPORT ON ILLEGAL SURCHARGES ON OIL-FOR-FOOD CONTRACTS AND ILLEGAL OIL SHIPMENTS FROM KHOR AL-AMAYA that found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil? Just curious....

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It was Bush's war. And no rewrite or equivocation or BS is ever gonna change that . Bush wanted it - he pushed for it - and we got it.

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snood wrote:

It was Bush's war. And no rewrite or equivocation or BS is ever gonna change that . Bush wanted it - he pushed for it - and we got it.

At least it only lasted a few weeks and was paid for with oil profits from Iraq. Twisted Evil

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georgeob1 wrote:

Meanwhile Democrat pols are still running from Feingold's resolution which is slowly dieing[sic] in the Senate.

Bullshit. You apparently don't even know the Senate is recessing. Try keeping up.

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parados wrote:

snood wrote:
It was Bush's war. And no rewrite or equivocation or BS is ever gonna change that . Bush wanted it - he pushed for it - and we got it.

At least it only lasted a few weeks and was paid for with oil profits from Iraq.

Feb. 7, 2003 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy: "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."

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Damn Congress gets a lot of recess. The GOP is obstructing justice on the wiretap issue. Staving off impeachment is their major issue for the rest of 2006. "Leahy, Jeffords support hearings on Feingold censure proposal"
Vermont's two senators, Democrat Patrick Leahy and Independent Jim Jeffords, believe that hearings should be held on the Bush administration's secret domestic wiretapping program before a censure vote is held.
http://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/032006/032006.shtml

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old europe wrote:

timberlandko wrote:
Pretty much the same thing happened a few years ago with the documents Al Madi presented, which appeared to indicate the UN Oil For Food program was riddled with corruption all the way to the top. Turned out there was a lot more there than many had supposed, or hoped, would prove to be true.

Timber, are you talking about the REPORT ON ILLEGAL SURCHARGES ON OIL-FOR-FOOD CONTRACTS AND ILLEGAL OIL SHIPMENTS FROM KHOR AL-AMAYA that found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil? Just curious....

No, I refer to the original Al Mada List, not to the Senate report you cite, which deals with the investigation into and prosecution of Bayoil's 2-year participation in the surcharge scheme, just one component of many Oil For Food improprieties, a minor component the value of which represents a tiny fraction of the Billions of dollars of fraud which characterized the Oil For Food Program from its inception a decade ago. Of note as well is that over the span of the Oil For Food program, purchases of Iraqi oil by US firms amounted to some 12% of the total flow.

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Some Dem senators are pissed that Feingold blindsided them with this resolution, so that may be the reason some are reacting unenthusiastically. Momentum is quietly building for the resolution. The base is pasionately for censure and the senators will get an earfull when they go home for recess.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

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So the polls show 46% support censure, 44% oppose, with 10% undecided. Meanwhile, before anyone has seriously proposed impeachment, 42% already favor it, while 49% oppose, and 9% are undecided. http://americanresearchgroup.com/ With opposition to Bush and the war running around 60%, he's gonna be in a lot more trouble with the voters. Those who think Feingold isn't tapped into the American mood should think again. They are the ones who are living in a dream world, not Russ.

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With opposition to Bush and the war running around 60%, he's gonna be in a lot more trouble with the voters.

I guess this means he wont be re-elected,right?

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I'd say that's one thing you can definitely count on, mm.

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mysteryman wrote:

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With opposition to Bush and the war running around 60%, he's gonna be in a lot more trouble with the voters.

I guess this means he wont be re-elected,right?

Oooh, you're a funny guy. But the drain that this president's unpopularity will have on the midterms is a real possibility, whether you want to acknowledge it, or not.

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snood wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
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With opposition to Bush and the war running around 60%, he's gonna be in a lot more trouble with the voters.

I guess this means he wont be re-elected,right?

Oooh, you're a funny guy. But the drain that this president's unpopularity will have on the midterms is a real possibility, whether you want to acknowledge it, or not.

I dont deny it.
I was responding to the comment made,not what you think was meant.
The comment was that BUSH would be in more trouble with the voters,not the repub party.

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