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Advice from women?

 
 
Montana
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 09:29 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
Ah Perplexed, thank you...

I feel like I just learned so much about you from your link on Avoidant Personality Disorder.

I can totally empathize with you and how you may feel when someone says...well just go out and socialize! It's a vicious cycle, isn't it?

You know though, you may be able to turn that into a plus, in a way....

Do they have support groups for APD? That may sound like an oxymoron, but in a support group, it's a more structured environment where you may feel free to talk a little more, knowing that others are in the same boat.

Have you some traits in mind that you would find attractive in a woman?

Would you feel more compatible with someone who is quiet? Studious? Music Lover?....

Here are some generalities I've learned throughout the years....

The younger you are, the more you are apt to think everyone in scrutinizing everything you do.....honestly, they are not....they are busy watching themselves.

People sometimes talk about chemistry between two people. I believe that, again when you are younger, you probably don't have the experience to differentiate between chemistry and, well, lust.

BTW - I'm going to keep mentioning age, don't be offended, or be defensive. The fact of the matter is, someone like, for instance me, who has simply had the opportunity to have experienced many more things than you may have, is because I've had more than twice and much time walking around on this planet than you have, and more than 7 times the amount of time as you have being a legal adult....so....I suppose I'm the voice of experience you hear about, and a woman to boot.

Have you ever met someone, male or female, that right from the start you just felt comfortable with right off the bat? You just seem to understand the other so well.

Well, sometimes that happens on a atomic level when meeting a person you are attracted to...oh, it has to happen to BOTH of you....

When I was 30, I met the man I eventually married....we talked, but not as much as you might think...we were just comfortable.

You can meet a potential girlfriend anywhere, a support group, the library, a lecture....find a venue that is non threatening to you.

Do you take the bus anywhere?
Maybe get on a bus one day, and just take it somewhere, maybe go the whole route. You might not see anyone interesting, but you might.

Let's say you say hi to her, and she blows you off......easy, get off at the next stop.

However, if you don't come across as a stalker Shocked , it's easy enough to flare up a conversation....you can comment to a stranger about something unusual outside the window, making a little joke about it.

The majority of people want to be loved and to be special to someone else perplexed. Keep in mind when you are feeling ackward about talking to someone, you might just be making their day by just making them feel special for a moment.

oh oh oh....one other thing....let's say you see someone and they look up at you......smile, and not one of those quick lip twitches with the eyes sliding away, and also not one of those big grins that makes the girl think..."He's off his meds"

just an easygoing "hi" type of smile....and make sure you eyes are smiling also...you know how you can see the difference between a hollow mouth only fake smile, and one that spreads to the eyes and says to the other person...I see you, and I'm smiling at you because you seem nice.

Practice that smile in the mirror...doesn't really matter what the mouth does...the message is in the eyes.

Does that help?


Thank you Chai! This is exactly what I would have liked to say.
When I say "click with a person", I'm talking about the chemistry. oh yeah, that amazing chemistry, ahhhhh!!!
Man, I really miss that damn chemistry!

Yeah, what Chai said :-D
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 11:29 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
Ah Perplexed, thank you...

I feel like I just learned so much about you from your link on Avoidant Personality Disorder.
UGH! That is exactly what I wanted to avoid! You didn't learn about ME, you learned about a problem I have.

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I can totally empathize with you and how you may feel when someone says...well just go out and socialize! It's a vicious cycle, isn't it?
yes


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Do they have support groups for APD? That may sound like an oxymoron, but in a support group, it's a more structured environment where you may feel free to talk a little more, knowing that others are in the same boat.
They do, unfortunately it's on fridays at 1, and I have a prior commitment on that time.

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Have you some traits in mind that you would find attractive in a woman?

Would you feel more compatible with someone who is quiet? Studious? Music Lover?....
Well of course I do! I want a girl who's sweet and kind, who LOVES to snuggle (a lot), who is looking for a long term relationship and wants to get married, petite is goo, but not critical.... ummm.... I could probably go on, but why?

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Have you ever met someone, male or female, that right from the start you just felt comfortable with right off the bat? You just seem to understand the other so well.
well..... hm..... none that are really standing out in my mind right now.

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Let's say you say hi to her, and she blows you off......easy, get off at the next stop.
I thought you said you read the article, it's the rejection that's the worst part.

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The majority of people want to be loved and to be special to someone else perplexed. Keep in mind when you are feeling ackward about talking to someone, you might just be making their day by just making them feel special for a moment.
awwwwwwwww, doesn't that make you feel all warm and snuggly inside?
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cyphercat
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 11:53 pm
Perplexed, I should just go check your posts and see instead of asking, but I'm too lazy...aren't you the same person who's I've seen on the S&R forum, who's in his twenties, has studied a lot of different religions, is now muslim, etc?

If so, as I mentioned before, you sound just like my best friend. Maybe you and I should make friends, and we'll try that "make friends with a girl and she can introduce you to her friends" thing that everyone is advising you to do! Razz

(Kidding.)








(Mostly.)
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 12:03 am
Perplexed
No one likes rejection and everyone that I know has fears of rejection, but if you don't take chances in life, you'll miss out on lots.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 12:17 am
cyphercat wrote:
Perplexed, I should just go check your posts and see instead of asking, but I'm too lazy...aren't you the same person who's I've seen on the S&R forum, who's in his twenties, has studied a lot of different religions, is now muslim, etc?

If so, as I mentioned before, you sound just like my best friend. Maybe you and I should make friends, and we'll try that "make friends with a girl and she can introduce you to her friends" thing that everyone is advising you to do! Razz

(Kidding.
(Mostly.)
yep, that's me...
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 12:17 am
Montana wrote:
Perplexed
No one likes rejection and everyone that I know has fears of rejection, but if you don't take chances in life, you'll miss out on lots.
you're right...
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 12:26 am
Hell, every time I go apply for a job I am scared to death, but I get through it and and the majority of the time, I get the job too ;-)
Yeah, it sucks when I don't get the job, but I remember that there are plenty more jobs out there and I keep on truckin.
I know it's not exactly the same thing, but the fear is the same.
I know it sucks because I've had major anxiety my entire life, so know that you're not alone.

We're here for ya.
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flushd
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 01:07 am
Re: Advice from women?
Perplexed wrote:
What would you say to a person who wants advice on how to get YOU?


Hehe. Well, first of all, it's nice that you're asking about ME. Laughing
That's a good start, to be interested in what I want and need, of course.

I like:
If you follow through on what you say you are going to do, as often as possible. Makes me feel safe, lets me trust him, lets me get comfortable in his space. I don't like excuses, and I don't like feeling like an imposition in someone's life.

Confidence. Translation: You have your own life and it is important to you.
You can show me this by simply being honest about how you feel, and keeping the important things in your life intact. i'll be watching.

Kindness and empathy: If you meet a friend of mine you don't like, you still treat them as a person. You care about people and things other than yourself.

Respect: You value my work even though I don't make a lot of money. You respect my ideas, thoughts, contributions, efforts even when you disagree. You respect yourself and those around you; no matter what their status in society.

Wow, I could go on and on.

Boils down to a few essentials though:
Someone who is right for me. As selfish as that sounds, no amount of wooing and wonderfulness can trump a man who simply is a great fit for who I am.

The biggest attraction for me in a guy is definitely 'Loving'. Loving on a grand scale.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 06:30 am
Good Morning Perplexed....

Let me rephrase that comment about knowing you....

I'm slowly getting to know about you as an individual, but know something ABOUT you helps...like little sign posts.....not to go on about myself....but I was diagnosed with Panic Disorder and borderline OCD....which I see is intertwined with yours....so although I have "overcome" my deal through therapy and medication....I too hated being with other people, as that would induce a panic attack.

Ha! maybe you can identify with this....once, a long time ago, I was sitting in a waiting room, just me and another person sitting across from me...he was reading a magazine and had it folded over so I could see the page behind the one he was reading.

In a full page advertisment, there was the picture of a face that had its eyes and mouth opened really wide and was screaming, like in fear....that was enough to set me off....even looking up at ceiling fan blades whirling got too much for me....so, I know how it is....

Don't take my suggestions as meeting places as gospel, but maybe it'll remind you of other situations...like on the bus, chances are you won't meet someone and get their number and all that...but it would give you a chance to get used to talking to others...maybe start with talking to a woman you aren't even interested in...

Take me for example...I'm 47.

If I were somewhere and a 22 year old guy just made a passing comment in the supermarket like, "Wow, the price of grapes has really gone up" I'd probably respond..."Oh yeah I know, I can't even afford them anymore, I buy more oranges now". you could respond...."Yeah, oranges are good too"

That would be the end of the conversation. But, you've talked to lil old me who you're not interested in a an attractive female, and you had a comfortable little exchange....you build that up by baby steps. Rome wasn't built in a day...

Talk to someone who looks friendly. Just a few words.

From what I can see here, it sure is true, we all just want to be acknowled as being a little special....So.....I think I'm going to make it my goal today to say something to someone that will make them feel recognized and good about themselves.

If you can see in someone else's eyes that you made them feel a little special, you get that feeling back 10 fold.

It's a win/win.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:48 am
Sabaah al-khair chai (May your morning be good, tea) I'm sorry I snapped at you, but I hate being identified by my problems.

Recently I left (well, I suppose I may go back at some point) another board, where, in the course of so many threads about social problems, romantic issues etc, I became identified by my problems, as though that was all there was to me. They made me into a caricature of myself, and I didn't want that. So please forgive me if I'm a bit touchy about it.

As for the rest of your advice, I think you're absolutely right, I need practice.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 12:50 pm
You know, you really have me thinking perplexed.

I'm comparing this thread to the other one that I'm thinking in my mind as the "How to Pick Up Chicks" thread...

This one I think is a lot more useful for real life type people.

Thinking back on how I met the most important relationships in my life, both male and female, NONE have them have been through going out on the town or some big event. Actually I find big things like concerts and such so alienating. So many strangers, it's overwhelming because I'm the type that wants to get to know someone, and obviously that's ridiculous when there's hundreds or thousands around you.

Mostly, it's been through just doing something, being some place I regularly went to anyway.

I noticied over time that some particular person was there a significant amount of times I was too, so I figured, duh, this must be someplace they like too...then, one or the other just mentioned something to the effect of, "wow, you like this place too, see ya around"....then, since you both acknowledge you both go there regularly, all of a sudden it's comfortable to talk a little, because you have something in common.

Would anyone else like to share how they've met someone important in their lives?

I have a feeling it's more like what I said rather than through some elaborate made up situation where it mattered what you were wearing or what kind of car you drove up in.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 12:59 pm
Some of the relationships I've had:

- Met at freshman orientation before college started -- he admired my t-shirt (which I'd made), we were both art majors, we sat in the back of the orientation and made disparaging comments about the lecturer and everyone else we laid eyes on.

- Met in a creative writing class/ workshop. More disparaging comments, written version. The kind of thing where one of us would scrawl something, push it over, and then the other would unsuccessfully attempt to stifle a guffaw.

- Met at an ASL class. He REALLY reminded me of someone I'd gone to elementary school and I kept looking at him to figure out if it was him or not. He blushed becomingly every time I did. Eventually I said, "Scott...?" and he said, "No..." and I was embarrassed but thought he was way cute and maneuvered for us to study together. Then one thing led to another.

- Saw him around a lot, heard through the grapevine he was interested in me, he came over to visit and a friend told me he was there to ask me out, we talked, we talked more, I thought he was gorgeous, asking out wasn't happening, I said "So, want to get some dinner on Wednesday, say?" he turned three shades of red and said sure. (I like the blushers.)

- Moved into my house (housing co-op), I had a strict policy of not dating housemates, he had other ideas, he helped me wash dishes when he didn't have to, he wore an Alice in Wonderland t-shirt (one of my favorite books) and I wore a Zora Neale Hurston t-shirt (one of his favorite authors) and we had a great conversation about those and other authors we both liked, he wanted to learn sign language, we hung out in groups doing this and that, he wrote me an awesome, romantic poem, I fell. (That's the one I married.)
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 01:11 pm
Here's how I figured out one guy liked me (I really liked him already, so I was really happy about this)

He already had my phone #, but it was because of school stuff, he only called me once so he could pick up something.

Then, some other guy asked him if he happened to have my #, cause he wanted to ask me out....My guy just said "Nope, I sure don't"

Then called himself and asked me out to a movie.

When he told me how he kept this information all to himself....I felt so desirable!

oooo....now I've got them fighting over me!
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 01:40 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
You know, you really have me thinking perplexed.
Well I wouldn't dream of wasting your brain power on a question if it wasn't a real thinker.

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I'm comparing this thread to the other one that I'm thinking in my mind as the "How to Pick Up Chicks" thread...

This one I think is a lot more useful for real life type people.
We can't all be self-possesed walking piles of machismo like slappy.


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I have a feeling it's more like what I said rather than through some elaborate made up situation where it mattered what you were wearing or what kind of car you drove up in.
I've wondered about that sometimes, where these things happen, because I've never seen ANYONE get hit on in a bar and actually enjoy it.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:27 pm
I don't know what it is recently; I had been relatively okay being alone for awhile (as 'okay' as it gets anyways), but lately it's been bothering me more and more (again)....

Pretty much the only regular human contact I get in the real world is at school, and that's pretty much only in classroom situations... I don't know how useful that is for meeting people... I feel uncomfortable trying to talk to people at school, like I'm bothering them.... probably because I'm bothering them at school....

I don't want to live my life always alone, feeling like this.... My biggest fear in life is growing old and never being loved, and everyday I would grow sadder and more bitter, because everyday that passed would just be pushing the truth that I'm undesirable, unlovable, and somehow inferior to all the people I see around me repeatedly into my face.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:44 pm
Perplexed
I know how you feel because I feel the same way sometimes. Sometimes I'm content being alone, but then there's times when I'm lonely as hell. I go through that a few times a year, usually in the winter and summer, but it passes.
It's my choice to live alone, so I have to deal with it, but I know being alone isn't something you want and I wish I knew how to help you.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:45 pm
I'm sorry, I'm just complaining now and I shouldn't, no one wants to hear about my problems, I'll be quiet now.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:54 pm
Don't be sorry! Complain all you want and we're here for ya.

I just wish there was more I could do to help.

Please don't keep quiet. We all need to vent.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:17 pm
Perplexed, I honestly used to feel the same way. I absolutely DREADED talking with females I didn't know. I'd sweat, blush, and was absolutely scared to death of rejection.

I can't really pinpoint exactly when or how that's changed. But the point is, it has. And it can for you. I guess I realized no matter how good looking a guy is, he's going to be rejected by females. You really have to get to the point where you're ok with it. It may sting a little, but you have to accept it.

For one, make sure you're not placing too much emphasis on finding a wife. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting that. What I mean is, you have to make sure you're happy with yourself before getting involved with someone long term. Don't think a relationship is going to solve everything and make the world perfect. I had a friend who broke up with his girlfriend, and got back together with her multiple times for the sole reason that he didn't want to be alone, even though he knew inside she wasn't the one. And you have to be comfortable enough in your skin to accept the fact that most women you meet, even if you like them, are not "the one." So try to be casual, try to meet women as friends, get used to being around women as much as possible.

For one, don't concentrate on specific things in my thread. You want to concentrate on getting yourself some confidence. Unfortunately, there's no science on how to do so.

I think you know what women "look for," but you want to know what to do to take the next step. And some women look for different things. Try online dating. Email tons of girls. Get in the habit of just simply saying "hello" to females, even if you have no intentions other than greeting them. Go buy some new clothes, dress up a little nicer than usual.

Do you have any friends that are successful with women? Talk to them...hang out with them...find out how they approach it. If you have any female friends, ask them for some honest feedback.

I know it's tough, but the first thing you can do is just try to talk more with females. And being upfront is extremely important, but there's a fine line between simply being honest, and turning a girl off by telling her too much too soon.

Once you start building confidence, have gotten some dates, being more comfortable with yourself, then look more into things I talk about. Either way, if you read all the way through my thread and understand the BASICS, you should be able to gain some things from it.
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Perplexed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:58 pm
It's like I'm stuck in a loop, I feel terrible because I'm alone, and I'll never find someone because no one wants someone who's miserable.
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